I've read through the ROLS thread and I have absolutely nothing against it, nor do I have anything against furthering one's knowledge of organic gardening. And I definitely agree that we are all on the same journey for all the same reasons. I just don't understand why everyone is so quick to abandon the concept of veganics. I feel like, as soon as Matt posted that he had moved onto greenhouse organics, everyone started to feel like veganics was dead and no longer cutting edge or interesting. I have no doubt that the ROLS method produces amazing quality plants, and costs a hell of a lot less money. I've actually learned quite a bit from reading it. Having said that, I really don't believe that the results are better, or that they are in any way more astonishing then that of veganics. Also, I'd be willing to bet that the end product doesn't taste as good or burn as clean, however that's just my unfounded opinion. I'm still fairly new to growing but my plants are as healthy and as pretty to look at as anything I've seen anywhere. It's very possible that one day in the future, when I fully understand all the concepts of true, do-it-all-yourself organics, and have the necessary time and energy that is takes to make it work, I may well change things up. However, when that day comes, I definitely wont be using any animal based or synthetics products of any sort. I think that a lot of people have forgotten the beauty and purity of veganics whether bottled or not. When I first stumbled upon this thread, I felt that I found something special and revolutionary to the world of cannabis. The ROLS and Veganics thread CAN coexist in their own right. Even though Matt has moved on to other things, I don't understand why anyone would want to deem this thread as dead, thus ending the discussion and any further knowledge that could be obtained here. I have a feeling that Matt isn't forever done with veganics. He may just be focusing on a growing method that's better suited for greenhouse growing. He himself said that veganics is a higher form of INDOOR organic gardening. Im sure that the cost of feeding 10 foot plants in 150 gallons smart pots would be totally impractical using expensive products like Bio Canna. I could be very wrong about this, but I feel that if Matt ever made the decision to start gardening indoors again, he may very well end up switching back to some form of plant based nutrition. That's just an opinion, and I have no idea if there's any truth to it or not. However, based on Matt's initial passion for veganics, I don't think that it's something that he's just going to permanently discard. Just my opinion though.