Using energy from crystals and pyramids to increase plant success

that little girl is still getting by we have to carry her out side to do her biz yet she is the first one in the kitchen when my wife calls them in for dog cookies :bigjoint:
 
robert 14617 said:
if it makes you feel good do it , just please don't try and sell me on your snake oil
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I feel you man, if you aren't into it then you aren't into it.... I can show you the door but can't walk through it for ya. Some crystals are super cheap though man. If you're gonna use snake oil, let it be the cheap stuff eh? lol
 
silusbotwin said:
Yeah but the thing is Crystals DO have energy! Research em man, the things are alive. Like someone said earlier, we can show you the door but cant force you through it.
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You haven't shown me the door, you have just made a claim and didn't back it up with anything.
If crystals do have energy, it would be measurable.

What do you mean by "the things are alive?"
 
I use the Spice to increase yields ten fold, and then flush with the Water of Life two weeks before harvest. IMO way easier than the crystal/pyramid method, but to each his own.
 
lol, ok thanx for clearing that up man, I was suspecting he was being sarcastic or something. Just googled it, sounds like some kind of a Star wars style books or something.
 
Might try read this shit then, seems little something like Star wars had sex with lord of the rings and this series was the baby
 
Trousers said:
You haven't shown me the door, you have just made a claim and didn't back it up with anything.
If crystals do have energy, it would be measurable.

What do you mean by "the things are alive?"
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He showed you the door by making that claim and telling you to do some research. Now, I will put my hand on the doorknob for you. Open it man!!!!!!
http://www.mycrystalaura.com.au/webcontent24.htm
http://www.theliquidcrystals.com/faq/are-crystals-alive
http://www.smithsonianeducation.org/educators/lesson_plans/minerals/minerals_crystals.html
http://www.unz.org/Pub/LiteraryDigest-1904may28-00771
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01810.htm

Are they alive? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on what you consider to be alive. Do they have energy? I believe they do because I can experience it directly, and I do not think we have figured it out yet. We can't measure the energy because we do not have sophisticated enough technology yet. Just because we can't understand it yet doesn't mean we won't be able to in the future.
 
StoopidLungs said:
He showed you the door by making that claim and telling you to do some research. Now, I will put my hand on the doorknob for you. Open it man!!!!!!
http://www.mycrystalaura.com.au/webcontent24.htm
http://www.theliquidcrystals.com/faq/are-crystals-alive
http://www.smithsonianeducation.org/educators/lesson_plans/minerals/minerals_crystals.html
http://www.unz.org/Pub/LiteraryDigest-1904may28-00771
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01810.htm

Are they alive? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on what you consider to be alive. Do they have energy? I believe they do because I can experience it directly, and I do not think we have figured it out yet. We can't measure the energy because we do not have sophisticated enough technology yet. Just because we can't understand it yet doesn't mean we won't be able to in the future.
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The natural human instinct to have to have everything figured out and categorized holds us back so much its sad. We will not reach better states of consciousness as long as people are afraid to consider the impossible. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it scientific fact that the Earth was flat at one time?
 
silusbotwin said:
The natural human instinct to have to have everything figured out and categorized holds us back so much its sad. We will not reach better states of consciousness as long as people are afraid to consider the impossible. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it scientific fact that the Earth was flat at one time?
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No, that belief was delivered by intuition. When you look out and observe flat land as far as you can see, intuition tells you the land is flat. When you look up and see the sun rise and set everyday, intuition tells you the sun revolves around the earth. It wasn't until careful observation and testing, aka science, that we discovered the truth.

Science relies very much on considering the impossible. It thrives on new ideas and ways of thinking, but it also demands evidence and logic as a structure. Science is a process, a systematic way of carefully and thoroughly observing nature while using consistent logic to evaluate the results. It's not simply a collection of knowledge that never changes.


"Every working scientist's career is defined by his new discoveries; there is no work to be done, and no salary to be found, in accepting irrefutable truths and doing nothing. Nobody funds research that's intended to not learn anything." - Brian Dunning
 
Heisenberg said:
No, that belief was delivered by intuition. When you look out and observe flat land as far as you can see, intuition tells you the land is flat. When you look up and see the sun rise and set everyday, intuition tells you the sun revolves around the earth. It wasn't until careful observation and testing, aka science, that we discovered the truth.

Science relies very much on considering the impossible. It thrives on new ideas and ways of thinking, but it also demands evidence and logic as a structure. Science is a process, a systematic way of carefully and thoroughly observing nature while using consistent logic to evaluate the results. It's not simply a collection of knowledge that never changes.


"Every working scientist's career is defined by his new discoveries; there is no work to be done, and no salary to be found, in accepting irrefutable truths and doing nothing. Nobody funds research that's intended to not learn anything." - Brian Dunning
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Tell that to the scientists who refuse to mix religion or spirituality with science.

My point was, scientists of those times KNEW it to be FACT the world was flat. They laughed and scoffed when first confronted with the theory of a round Earth. I think you get my point.
 
silusbotwin said:
Tell that to the scientists who refuse to mix religion or spirituality with science.

My point was, scientists of those times KNEW it to be FACT the world was flat. They laughed and scoffed when first confronted with the theory of a round Earth. I think you get my point.
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I do get your point. A great example is when experimentation falsified the idea of the ether. Physicists were pretty confident in that idea, and it took great evidence to accept that space is a vacuum, which lead to the understanding that time and space are relative.

Science changes it's mind when the evidence warrants it. When it is appropriate to do so, science has no problem admitting that it is wrong. Science is self-correcting. This is one of the key reason science and religion do not mix. Religion thinks it got all the answers right centuries ago, and almost never corrects itself. Religion prides itself on ignoring or dismissing counter-evidence, makes a virtue of faith aka wishful thinking.

Spirituality does not mix with science for a different reason. Spirituality is the efforts and achievements some people make to overcome the sense of being separate from nature, often by means of altering consciousness. While this may be a worthy goal, it differs from the concerns of science. Science is concerned with the outer objective reality, while spirituality is concerned with inner subjective reality. Science does not have a problem with spirituality, but science does not have the tools or methods that are compatible with spirituality, and so has nothing it can say about it.

When spirituality attempts to have something to say about science, or the physical world, is when the two clash. Nature is the domain of science, and faith, intuition and even instinct can not be allowed to trump real world data.

Now to bring it back to crystals. Science is more than willing to accept that crystals have energy, but the only evidence we have is that some people 'feel' it. Energy is a precise word and it is being used here in more colloquial terms. It's fine to use the word energy as a sort of place holder term for something but people are not being scientific or explaining anything meaningful when they do so. It is basically a statement that says, "crystals have some influence that I can't describe working through some mechanism that I can't describe, but I can feel it." That isn't really saying much at all in terms of explanation. We understand how to measure energy, we can accurately predict how it behaves, and we know what laws it follows. Crystals would have to have some special energy that can not be detected or measured or predicted or explained, which means whatever property they may have is not energy. The more careful and controlled we are in our observations the less we see any effect crystals have on reality.

We do have well documented knowledge of all the ways people make mistakes of perception, memory and logic. We know many forms of confirmed cognitive bias and methods of self deception. It's rather easy to explain why people think crystals have some power, and when we carefully study the phenomena, mistakes and self deception are exactly what the evidence suggests.


“In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.”
― Carl Sagan
 
StoopidLungs said:
He showed you the door by making that claim and telling you to do some research. Now, I will put my hand on the doorknob for you. Open it man!!!!!!
http://www.mycrystalaura.com.au/webcontent24.htm
http://www.theliquidcrystals.com/faq/are-crystals-alive
http://www.smithsonianeducation.org/educators/lesson_plans/minerals/minerals_crystals.html
http://www.unz.org/Pub/LiteraryDigest-1904may28-00771
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01810.htm

Are they alive? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on what you consider to be alive. Do they have energy? I believe they do because I can experience it directly, and I do not think we have figured it out yet. We can't measure the energy because we do not have sophisticated enough technology yet. Just because we can't understand it yet doesn't mean we won't be able to in the future.
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The first link you gave me is a blog about crystals written by someone who sells crystals.

Put the doorknob in your ass. You are not more enlightened than me because you believe rocks have or create energy.
Would you like me to show you the door to the scientific method?

If someone could set up an experiment that could be repeated over and over again, I'll read about it.
Energy is measurable. You are asking me to take your word for it. I will when you set up an experiment with repeatable results.
Until then you are just blowing hot air.
 
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