Uses of Super Plant Tonic

Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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Boneman said:
Ohso, Does natural spring water like deer park or poland springs contain chlorine?
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Boneman.... Lots of bottled water is run through some basic processing. The labels tend to be pretty vague. That processing can be as simple as a sediment filter, but often includes either a bromine or chlorine infused - two stage filter element.
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Both will only add trace amounts of those chemicals to the water. Like in the PPB (parts per billion) range. If chlorine is added after processing, they are required by law to state the ingredients on the label. So, just check the label.
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Bottled water (99 % of the time) is not a threat to micro-beasties or you. Not even RO water is absolutely pure.
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I don't drink bottled water myself, routinely, because I feel it wastes natural resources. But, last year when a Tornado, left us without power & water for a few days - I was glad the local grocery store had it.
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Keep it Real....Organic......
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Boneman

Boneman

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Thanks Ohsogreen :) I've been using deer park natural spring water throughout my hempy grow. I added the SPT about 1/2 way thru my grow and have had fabulous results. I also slipped some SPT into my wifes house plant water jug...he heh :hump:
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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Boneman said:
Thanks Ohsogreen :) I've been using deer park natural spring water throughout my hempy grow. I added the SPT about 1/2 way thru my grow and have had fabulous results. I also slipped some SPT into my wifes house plant water jug...he heh :hump:
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Boneman.... You are welcome. I've heard quite a few people say good things about those hempy buckets. I guess it's time for me to try something new.
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Keep it Real...Organic.....
 
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bigtymer930

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I have a problem, the ph of my tap water is 8.0 then I add the two tablespoons of spt and it drops it below 4.0 did I get a bad bottle or does everyone have this problem. Instead of the nice green color everyone is talking about all I got my self Is bright yellow leaves. Can someone help. And its not overywatering either.
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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bigtymer930 said:
I have a problem, the ph of my tap water is 8.0 then I add the two tablespoons of spt and it drops it below 4.0 did I get a bad bottle or does everyone have this problem. Instead of the nice green color everyone is talking about all I got my self Is bright yellow leaves. Can someone help. And its not overywatering either.
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Bigtymer930.... Are you letting your tap water sit out overnight to remove the chlorine in it ? When you add SPT it needs to be to unchlorinated water or you will just kill the micro-beasties in it. It is normal for the pH to shift downwards, when you add SPT. It levels out after an hour or so. If you mix it right up and water it into soil, the soil acts as a buffer - so, there is no danger to your plants. In hydro, the same downward shift occurs, but within a hour, it levels right back out.
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The chlorine in tap water is very bad for Mary, it will cause harsh yellowing of leaves, burn roots & kill all the micro-beasties in the soil or res, which are needed for good growth.
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I would not use tap water with a pH of 8 to water anything. That is too alkaline and will cause tissue damage to leaves & roots also. Over time that chlorine can build up in soil or a res to toxic levels. It will kill Mary.
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I would flush my pots with some bottled water, wait a day, check my soil pH. If you are in hydro, I would dump the res and reload.
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Hope this helps...
Keep it Real...Organic.....
 
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bigtymer930

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I never water with chlorine or 8.0 water but anything you add to the water normaly brings it down to the perfect range around 7. And like you said about it coming up after an hour, it doesnt it stays at 4.0 thats why I think there is something wrong with my bottle. I have been doing this for awhile I am not a new grower I am just new to this site. When I first got the bottle everything was fine, any other ideas.
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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bigtymer930 said:
I never water with chlorine or 8.0 water but anything you add to the water normaly brings it down to the perfect range around 7. And like you said about it coming up after an hour, it doesnt it stays at 4.0 thats why I think there is something wrong with my bottle. I have been doing this for awhile I am not a new grower I am just new to this site. When I first got the bottle everything was fine, any other ideas.
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Bigtymer930.... If you live in or near a large city, more & more municipal water systems are switching from chlorine gas (injected into the water stream) and to a new pour in, chlorine replacement, that does not evaporate from the water.
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A pH of 7 is neutral, I only water - with water with a pH of 6.5 or under (5.8 pH) lower limit with soil. If it is too low or too high, I oxygenate my fert or SPT mix, using a cheap aquarium air pump / air stone overnight. If that does not correct the pH, I correct it, by adding in a natural pH up or pH down solution.
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If your water has the new pour in chlorine, it has to be removed using a de-chlorinator liquid, like used for aquariums. Seamaiden is the expert when it comes to these matters. Send her a private message, she's real helpful & knowledgeble.
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I've used about a dozen bottles of SPT to date, they do lower pH for a short time, but if your water is hanging at a pH of 4. I'd check the water for the presence of Chlorine (chlorine test kit - sold at pool supply stores - measures the concentration of chlorine).
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In the short term, I'd get some cheap bottled water from Walmart. Flush my medium and check the soil pH the following day (24 hours later - in order to get a true reading). Since, whatever is happening is in that soil, affecting Mary.
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Just a thought - what are you using to measure your pH of ferts or SPT ? A low pH meter battery, or an uncalibrated meter can cause false readings. Another grower on this site, had a meter that gave him bad readings, he based what he did, relying only on what that pH meter said & it was wrong. I never trust one meter to tell me everything, meters sometimes fail. Double check the info being presented, using a another input or source.
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I's also phone the water company and ask what type of chlorine they use to be sure. If it's not the gas (that is injected) it will have to be removed chemically (aquarium de-chlorinator solution).
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Hope this helps...
Keep it Real...Organic....
 
ugmjfarmer

ugmjfarmer

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I just ordered two bottles of SPT. Syked to see the results!

I am running the following nutes currently.

Ionic Grow
Ionic Bloom
Ionic Boost
Hygroyme
Nitrozime
Greenfuse Bloom Boost
Europonic Fossil Fuel (humic+fulvic)
GH SubCulture

Is this going to be too hot or too much microbeasties when used with subculture? Should I use the SPT alone and water?
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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ugmjfarmer said:
I just ordered two bottles of SPT. Syked to see the results!

I am running the following nutes currently.

Ionic Grow Ionic Bloom Ionic Boost Hygroyme Nitrozime Greenfuse Bloom Boost Europonic Fossil Fuel (humic+fulvic) GH SubCulture

Is this going to be too hot or too much microbeasties when used with subculture? Should I use the SPT alone and water?
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UgmjFarmer.... If you water one week & feed the next in rotation. I'd use the SPT mixed at full strength (on my watering only week). I expand on that in the next paragraph.
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If you feed weekly, I'd use the SPT (mixed full strength) just by itself the first time. Then use nothing else for three days, to allow the micro-beasties to establish their community. After that, resume your normal routine, but at slightly lower doses. Mix your SPT, if feeding weakly - weekly - at half strength.
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The micro-beasties in the SPT will make your roots more effiecent at absorbing things, so you have to go easy or else nute burn can occur - and quickly.
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That's a pretty hot toolbox you have there. Low, Slow & Steady is the key to reaching maximum potential. Good Luck with your grow - SPT is some great stuff - it definately makes Mary a happy girl.....
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Keep it Real....Organic....
 
ugmjfarmer

ugmjfarmer

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Ohsogreen said:
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That's a pretty hot toolbox you have there. Low, Slow & Steady is the key to reaching maximum potential. Good Luck with your grow - SPT is some great stuff - it definately makes Mary a happy girl.....
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Keep it Real....Organic....
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Thank you ohsohelpful/ohsogreen.

I'm experiencing nute burn already (before they bottles even get here that is). Time for a flush. But thank you for the advice. My hope is to replace paying tons of money for voodoo juice with these magical bottles.
 
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THseaman

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So I just went to eBay and bought:

Super Plant Tonic, Organic, more than a Fertilizer
Flower Power, (Lg) Organic Bloom Fertilizer by BMO
Grow It Green, Organic Grow Fertilizer (Lg) by BMO

Should the flower power and grow it green fertilizers REPLACE my current nutrient regimen? Or are these just additives?
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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THseaman said:
So I just went to eBay and bought:

Super Plant Tonic, Organic, more than a Fertilizer
Flower Power, (Lg) Organic Bloom Fertilizer by BMO
Grow It Green, Organic Grow Fertilizer (Lg) by BMO

Should the flower power and grow it green fertilizers REPLACE my current nutrient regimen? Or are these just additives?
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THseaman..... The GIG and FP are both organic fertilizers. You can use them as such, or mix them at a lesser strength - to bump up your numbers where needed. GIG has an NPK of 5-2-5 and the FP is 1-8-7
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If you are using ferts that work for you and you are in the middle of a grow, I'd stick with what I was using as my primary ferts - instead of replacing them.
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The SPT is the best out of the bottle amendment I have ever used. I'm sure your plants will enjoy it.
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If the soil you are going to add the SPT to, is mixed hot (contains lots of organic amendments - bat guano, worm castings, etc..), use the SPT at half strength. After you use SPT the first time, wait three days before any additional feeding. Also, use less of your ferts when you feed, since SPT will breakdown everything available in the medium and feed it straight to Mary through her roots & quickly.
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Hope this helps...
Keep it Real...Organic....
 
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THseaman

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That is good news. I was hoping they were complete ferts and not just additives. I've been using Ionic grow for 2 feedings but I wanted to go organic. Is it already too late to switch nutes to organic for this grow? Today is day 16 from seed. I fed them 1/4 strength Ionic grow once and then 1/2 strength the second time. I'm using 100% perlite hempy buckets.
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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THseaman said:
That is good news. I was hoping they were complete ferts and not just additives. I've been using Ionic grow for 2 feedings but I wanted to go organic. Is it already too late to switch nutes to organic for this grow? Today is day 16 from seed. I fed them 1/4 strength Ionic grow once and then 1/2 strength the second time. I'm using 100% perlite hempy buckets.
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THseaman... This early in the game, it's not too late to go Organic.
I'd start the Grow it Green off at half strength (at day 21), then bump it up (in small increments) each feeding until you hit full strength. I say this, because the SPT will breakdown & free up any NPK retained by the perlite, it's best to go Low, Slow & Steady with nutes to prevent nute burn. Since, you will have very little (NPK) escape. Perlite holds onto NPK like Velcro.
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Hope this helps....
Keep it Real...Organic...
 
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THseaman

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Cool beans! Check out my grow journal in a couple weeks to see how the girls like it!
 
Bagelthief

Bagelthief

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Ohsogreen said:
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Bigtymer930.... If you live in or near a large city, more & more municipal water systems are switching from chlorine gas (injected into the water stream) and to a new pour in, chlorine replacement, that does not evaporate from the water.
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A pH of 7 is neutral, I only water - with water with a pH of 6.5 or under (5.8 pH) lower limit with soil. If it is too low or too high, I oxygenate my fert or SPT mix, using a cheap aquarium air pump / air stone overnight. If that does not correct the pH, I correct it, by adding in a natural pH up or pH down solution.
.
If your water has the new pour in chlorine, it has to be removed using a de-chlorinator liquid, like used for aquariums. Seamaiden is the expert when it comes to these matters. Send her a private message, she's real helpful & knowledgeble.
.
I've used about a dozen bottles of SPT to date, they do lower pH for a short time, but if your water is hanging at a pH of 4. I'd check the water for the presence of Chlorine (chlorine test kit - sold at pool supply stores - measures the concentration of chlorine).
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In the short term, I'd get some cheap bottled water from Walmart. Flush my medium and check the soil pH the following day (24 hours later - in order to get a true reading). Since, whatever is happening is in that soil, affecting Mary.
.
Just a thought - what are you using to measure your pH of ferts or SPT ? A low pH meter battery, or an uncalibrated meter can cause false readings. Another grower on this site, had a meter that gave him bad readings, he based what he did, relying only on what that pH meter said & it was wrong. I never trust one meter to tell me everything, meters sometimes fail. Double check the info being presented, using a another input or source.
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I's also phone the water company and ask what type of chlorine they use to be sure. If it's not the gas (that is injected) it will have to be removed chemically (aquarium de-chlorinator solution).
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Hope this helps...
Keep it Real...Organic....
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hey OhSo, you bring up a good point that id like some more info on....i didnt really think about it, but im pretty sure my PH up/down is chemically derived. im adding at least 3 ml or so every gallon....will that seriously affect the taste or quality of my otherwise organic buds? what are the organic methods you use to controll PH? thanks man...
 
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THseaman

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Bagelthief said:
hey OhSo, you bring up a good point that id like some more info on....i didnt really think about it, but im pretty sure my PH up/down is chemically derived. im adding at least 3 ml or so every gallon....will that seriously affect the taste or quality of my otherwise organic buds? what are the organic methods you use to controll PH? thanks man...
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It's Vinegar for PH down and baking soda for PH up. I guess a couple teaspoons per gallon of vinegar brings a gallon of 8.0 down to 6.0. I don't know I have never tried it. I use the GH stuff.
 
Bagelthief

Bagelthief

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yea i use the GH stuff too. iv heard things like vinegar and baking soda only work for a couple of hours or something, and after it just levels out right back where it was...am i not allowed to call my buds organic anymore?? :cry:
 
Ohsogreen

Ohsogreen

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Bagelthief said:
hey OhSo, you bring up a good point that id like some more info on....i didnt really think about it, but im pretty sure my PH up/down is chemically derived. im adding at least 3 ml or so every gallon....will that seriously affect the taste or quality of my otherwise organic buds? what are the organic methods you use to controll PH? thanks man...
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Bagelthief..... Ph up or down solutions are sometimes necessary to keep thing within limits. I don't think such small amounts like 3 ml or 5 ml of either - used to mix up a batch of tea will really affect the taste of your buddage.
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I personally use Dolimite Lime or hardwood ash for a pH up. One tablespoon per gallon of tea (then recheck pH 15 minutes later).
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For pH down - I use Citric Acid (aka- Nestea with lemon) three heaping tablespoons per gallon of tea (then recheck pH 15 minutes later). Apple Cider Vinegar also works well (two or three drops per gallon) or left over coffee from the pot, 4 ounces per gallon.
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Any of these will work, don't use baking soda for pH adjustments - as it can tie up other minerals, making them unavailable to Mary.
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Hope this helps...
Keep it Real...Organic.. or as close as possible.....
 
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