Understanding Proof

Cyrus420 said:

Someone dying and coming back to say: "I saw god!" Doesn't prove anything. All it tells us is one person died and saw something subjective.

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eye exaggerate said:

Subjectivity after death?

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Cyrus420 said:

Scripture isn't proof.

What about the hundreds of other holy books out there with their messiahs or their world creators?

How do you know your bible is true? Because it says so?

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Rrog said:

The fact that there is enormous continuity and similarly of life after death experiences begs a closer scrutiny. The fact that these events can occur when the brain is being monitored and showing no electrical activity begs a closer scrutiny. To categorize it as "shit people see before they die," is a fair understatement.

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VegasWinner said:

Of ther three proofs, Scripture falls under Theoretical Proof. But scripture still has to subject itself to both documentary and actual proof to be accepted as true and complete. peace. Christian/Catholic/Jewish scripture has not subjected themselves to outside sources of review for all three proofs to be determined. I understand your view. I have issues with The Bible, as well. The first book, "In the Beginning," "On the fourth day, there was the Sun." First whom was there in the beginning, and how do we know how many days passed without the sun to mark time. Only God was there in the beginning, so whom could state where that time was, And how many days passed without sun to tell time? No watches/time invented yet. peace.

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ttystikk said:

All I can say is that I sure hope you're right, but I'm not banking on it.

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Cyrus420 said:

That makes zero sense. It proves nothing.

Plenty of people have died and come back. Some report bright lights or endless dark cold but we KNOW these are hallucinations brought on by the trauma of a near or total death experience.

Someone dying and coming back to say: "I saw god!" Doesn't prove anything. All it tells us is one person died and saw something subjective.

If you make half your freezing patients Muslim then they'll come back and say they saw Allah, a Buddhist wouldn't see anything, a Hindu would see a number of a gods...it just doesn't hold up to scrutiny or common sense.

If you're trolling though please tell me, I don't want to assume you think freezing people is a good idea.

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Cyrus420 said:

When they come back and tell their personal experience with a near or total death experience it is subjective. There are similarities between near death experiences but all this tells us is people see shit before they die, not that any gods or after life exist. It comes back to proof and one man's word is not proof no matter how reasonable or well thought out. Without actual evidence it's foolish to believe in something based on faith and good feelings.

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newnature said:

Yahweh was not identified with nature, Yahweh transcended nature; and Yahweh wasn’t known through nature or natural phenomena. Yahweh was known through history, events and a particular relationship with a man, which Yahweh formed from the dust of the earth. History is proof. Exodus 3:13-14 - Moses said to God, “When I come to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh.” He continued, “Thus shall you say to the Israelites, ‘Ehyeh sent me to you.’ ”


Not having been raised among his own people, Moses is ignorant of their God’s name and fears he will lack credibility with the Israelites. God’s proper name, disclosed in the verse 15, is YHVH (spelled “yod-heh-vav-heh” in Hebrew; in ancient times the “vav” was pronounced “w”). But here God first tells Moses its meaning: “I Will Be What I Will Be,” meaning “My nature will become evident from my actions.” 


Then God answers Moses’ question about what to say to the people: “Tell them: ‘Ehyeh’ (“I Will Be,” a shorter form of the explanation) sent me.” This explanation derives God’s name from the verb “h-v-h,” a variant form of “h-y-h,” “to be.” Because God is the speaker, he uses the first person form of the verb.

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OriginalRoast said:

Besides telling me how strong my alcohol is, proof is just something that can be used to support an argument no mater what that argument is.

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Cyrus420 said:

A lot of people I've met in my lifetime often will espouse a belief without giving me reason why they believe it. These conversations always revolve around to the concept of proof.

What is proof?

Understand that when you want to convince someone of your position you must be able to provide physical examples, repeatable experiments, or in the absence of such evidence provide a reasonable well thought out and logical conclusion as to the nature of your statement, this is proof.

Statements that begin with "I feel..." or "In my opinion..." are not proof and never will be.

If you have to look at your "proof" through a certain lens, i.e. the Christian perspective, then that is not proof and never will be.

A lot of people believing in something is also not proof and never will be.

In a world where misinformation is spread on a daily basis we must strive for truth. We must not accept truth without proof. To do otherwise is to demean yourself and waste the brain you were born with.

Don't be an idiot, think things through guys.

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1. 1.
   evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
   "you will be asked to give proof of your identity"

eye exaggerate said:

Cool. How about the memories people possess of the time they lapsed from living? What purpose would it serve to maintain any sort of memory after death?

It could be said that memory is a pretty fantastic thing, seems to overlap regular living consciousness.

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Corso312 said:

Some thing you just know, like when I first started growing 12 years ago I bought a book from Ed Rosenthal and as soon as I read about needing to cut clones in water and air bubbles being in the stem ..I knew it was horseshit and even as a total rookie I dismissed it immediately... Why? Common sense..

I also knew September 12th that Saudi Arabia was behind 911 twin towers attack, had no proof, just knew it..eventually you will know this too when the state department releases all the facts in 12 years when we are no longer on good terms with those scumbags.

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reddan1981 said:

Truth is subjective, as is proof.
Yesterday we were gods children, today we are genetic mutants, tomorrow we will be energy observing this spectrum of reality in our vessel created by aliens. Information comforts us, as long as we believe something, we find purpose.

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Cyrus420 said:

What is proof?

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1. 1.
   evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement.
   "you will be asked to give proof of your identity"
   synonyms: evidence, verification, corroboration, authentication, confirmation,certification, validation, attestation, demonstration, substantiation,witness, testament; More

cannabineer said:

While this is anecdote, I have spoken to people who seem to have genuine other-life memories. I believe they experienced something real.

It suggests that consciousness is nonlocal in time or space.
I'm betting a quantum phenomenon is involved spanning dimensions that are there but we do not sense.

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