Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

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drew425

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Guitar Man said:
drew425, I was a little confused when I first looked at this Thread, but take another look at UB's cut (photo on first page). You let the plant grow to 5-6 nodes, then, you cut above the 2nd node. That means, you are going to get rid of the upper 4 nodes. Once I realized this, I completely understood the technique.

Right now, I have 2 plants in my closet that I've done this too, and they have both responded like UB said they would. I am 20 days into flowering, and the plants are unreal! I've got 4 main colas on both plants, with other bud sights coming out of everywhere!

I am growing 2 different stains (Indicia and Sativia). The Indicia is doing fine without any additional cutting on top. The Sativia is a different story. The stretch took her up to my lights, so I topped her again on the 2 main cola's, which are coming from the upper node. Now, I've got 4 tops coming out of those colas!!!!!!

From my experience, this harvest is going to be incredible!!

(Pics coming soon!)
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Now I understand. So your waiting until the plant has 5 nodes and cutting it at the 2nd node correct? I wonder if that I accidentally topped my Sour Diesel? I had a light fall on it about 3 weeks and it snapped the main stem. The plant was about 18 inches tall so it had quite a bit more nodes and was already very fast growing. I taped it up but after about 10 days with no new growth and the leaves on that stem were wilting big time, I just cut it off. Another large side branch got dammaged too and I taped it up, but that branch made it. My girl now is about 43 inches tall and appears to have at least 4 main colas.

This is her about 18 days ago. Shes about a foot taller now with lots of bud production and much more filled in. What do you think?

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Guitar Man

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drew425 said:
Now I understand. So your waiting until the plant has 5 nodes and cutting it at the 2nd node correct? I wonder if that I accidentally topped my Sour Diesel? I had a light fall on it about 3 weeks and it snapped the main stem. The plant was about 18 inches tall so it had quite a bit more nodes and was already very fast growing. I taped it up but after about 10 days with no new growth and the leaves on that stem were wilting big time, I just cut it off. Another large side branch got dammaged too and I taped it up, but that branch made it. My girl now is about 43 inches tall and appears to have at least 4 main colas.

This is her about 18 days ago. Shes about a foot taller now with lots of bud production and much more filled in. What do you think?

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That is correct. It looks like you did the UB top technique and didn't even realize what you had done! LOL From the way the picture looks, I see 4 main colas developing. If you can, shoot a picture of your nodes where the main branches have formed.
 
grimeygreasy

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Uncle Ben said:
What is the title and subject of this thread? Another clue - there are some key words in what you quoted that just might indicate my desired result.

Stay focused......
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Sorry, maybe I didn't communicate what I was trying to say properly. When someone comes in this thread and asks if your technique will work on a clone with alternating nodes and is replied to with a categorical "no", that simply isn't correct. I am well aware that this is your thread relating to your topping method for your results, but it is also a magnet for hungry minds wishing to learn about topping techniques in general.

A better response might be that the exact results you've described (at length!) in this thread aren't attainable if using a plant with alternating nodes, or that topping a clone with alternating nodes will net different, if still desirable, reslults other than the ones you've described.

After seeing how many times you've had to regurgitate the same info I can see why simply saying no is the most desirable answer for you to give. I can also see why you would be frustrated towards posts like mine. Maybe my focus does need more focus. But you're obviously here trying to help people, why shut the classroom door to people who have alternating nodes?
 
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Guitar Man said:
That is correct. It looks like you did the UB top technique and didn't even realize what you had done! LOL From the way the picture looks, I see 4 main colas developing. If you can, shoot a picture of your nodes where the main branches have formed.
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Look for the pic tomorrow. It's annoying that roll it up wants to charge $1 for the phone app when grass city is free. (Hint, hint)
It seems people on here are really willing to help though
 
Uncle Ben

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You are kidding me, right?

grimeygreasy said:
When someone comes in this thread and asks if your technique will work on a clone with alternating nodes and is replied to with a categorical "no", that simply isn't correct.
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Read my lips....I'll speak realllllllll slowly since the clue was too complex fer ya - YOU WON'T GET 4 MAIN COLAS AS THE TOP COLA WILL BE DOMINANT DUE TO APICAL DOMINANCE. My method is specific in order to achieve specific, no fail results - 2 or 4 MAIN colas, all dominant as opposed to recessive buds/colas lower down a trunk.

If I was your teacher I'd have you in a corner wearing a duncecap. :)
 
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drew425

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Uncle Ben said:
Grass City? I found some turbo posting admin jerkoff stealing my material, spoke up about it, was banned and the thread closed.

Wouldn't piss on the place if it was on fire - http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-marijuana-growing/215941-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-enhance-flowering.html
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Im still somewhat of a newbie. Would alreanating nodes be where it has leaves that don't completely line up. Like the first node is on the left and it doesn't have a matching set of leaves on the right, and so on, and so on? I've got a few really good plant genes so I cloned them and each node has a matching set of leaves on the other side but they don't exactly line up. I could post a picture if that would help??
 
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Im still somewhat of a newbie. Would alreanating nodes be where it has leaves that don't completely line up. Like the first node is on the left and it doesn't have a matching set of leaves on the right, and so on, and so on? I've got a few really good plant genes so I cloned them and each node has a matching set of leaves on the other side but they don't exactly line up. I could post a picture if that would help??
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That's correct. Correct term is alternate phyllotaxy or whorled alternate phyllotaxy where the leaf petiole kind of spiral around the trunk like a spiral staircase. My examples clearly show opposing nodes.
 
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Uncle Ben said:
That's correct. Correct term is alternate phyllotaxy or whorled alternate phyllotaxy where the leaf petiole kind of spiral around the trunk like a spiral staircase. My examples clearly show opposing nodes.
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Shoot for some reason your picture examples aren't showing up on my computer. Maybe its my work settings. Ill check when I get home. What do you suggest doing to increase yield for clones that have good genes but end up coming out with alternating nodes?

Thanks again for answering my questions
 
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drew425 said:
Shoot for some reason your picture examples aren't showing up on my computer. Maybe its my work settings. Ill check when I get home. What do you suggest doing to increase yield for clones that have good genes but end up coming out with alternating nodes?

Thanks again for answering my questions
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Grow for the most root mass and foliage and maintain it that way until harvest.

I don't do clones. Don't have the patience. If I was to germ a seed in soil and you were to root a new cutting at the same time, I guarantee you I'd already be flipping a 14" tall plant by the time you got your clone ready for planting.

UB
 
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drew425

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Uncle Ben said:
Grow for the most root mass and foliage and maintain it that way until harvest.

I don't do clones. Don't have the patience. If I was to germ a seed in soil and you were to root a new cutting at the same time, I guarantee you I'd already be flipping a 14" tall plant by the time you got your clone ready for planting.

UB
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haha. Im very impatient too.
 
Guitar Man

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drew425 said:
Shoot for some reason your picture examples aren't showing up on my computer. Maybe its my work settings. Ill check when I get home. What do you suggest doing to increase yield for clones that have good genes but end up coming out with alternating nodes?

Thanks again for answering my questions
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I noticed the same thing about the pictures on the first page. If you let the page sit for a few minutes, they do come up on my computer.
 
grimeygreasy

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Uncle Ben said:
You are kidding me, right?



Read my lips....I'll speak realllllllll slowly since the clue was too complex fer ya - YOU WON'T GET 4 MAIN COLAS AS THE TOP COLA WILL BE DOMINANT DUE TO APICAL DOMINANCE. My method is specific in order to achieve specific, no fail results - 2 or 4 MAIN colas, all dominant as opposed to recessive buds/colas lower down a trunk.

If I was your teacher I'd have you in a corner wearing a duncecap. :)
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Ok. Last time. Its MY turn to speak very slowly, since you obviously aren't picking up what I'm putting down.

Just to reiterate:

I agree, and stated clearly, that using your method on a clone wont get your specific results for obvious reasons.

Nowhere did I say that you will get the same results on a clone as you would with your method on a symmetrical plant.

What I am saying is that topping a clone has its benefits, CAN and WILL generate new growth sites, as well as encourage growth at lower sites. Telling people that it wont work isnt correct. It just wont work to get the same results as with your method.

If you would rather misinform people into NOT topping their clones, go right ahead. Hopefully they will do like I did, question things, experiment, and find out for themselves. You clearly have a huge wealth of knowledge, don't let your bias to the way you do things mislead people.
 
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Here is what you get when you top every top for 2 and a half months :fire:View attachment 2527174View attachment 2527175View attachment 2527176View attachment 2527177View attachment 2527178View attachment 2527179View attachment 2527180View attachment 2527181View attachment 2527182View attachment 2527183View attachment 2527184View attachment 2527185View attachment 2527186View attachment 2527187View attachment 2527188View attachment 2527189View attachment 2527190 You get over 50 main COLAS, it has to be tied down as shown though :bigjoint: Sannies Mad Shack Strain, 20 CFL, 23 watt bulbs and organic soil ( Naturally ) and in a 115 L container, this is what you will get :leaf: Be sure and get the 5400k CFL bulbs
 
Uncle Ben

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NerdJr said:
Here is what you get when you top every top for 2 and a half months :fire:You get over 50 main COLAS, it has to be tied down as shown though :bigjoint: Sannies Mad Shack Strain, 20 CFL, 23 watt bulbs and organic soil ( Naturally ) and in a 115 L container, this is what you will get :leaf: Be sure and get the 5400k CFL bulbs
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Very nice job. I wouldn't consider those "main colas". More like many small budsites but ya done good!
 
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