Uncle Ben's Gardening Tweeks and Pointers

Countryfarmer

Active Member
Just finished reading this entire thread. Much thank to UB, Riddleme and Dave (and any of the other veteran growers I may have missed). Doing my first outdoor grow and the information given in this thread has been nothing less than stellar.

Can't thank you guys enough!
 

buraka415

Active Member
Evening. I've done more reading on RIU, than I have posting, but I have tried to contribute here & there. Mostly I've just been reading, like this thread, from 1 - 71 pages : I've learned an extraordinary amount from UB, and others. Thanks UB for shedding light on so many things. I have to concur your approach is very comprehensive, and I just enjoy finally seeing the light, and how it shakes up what I've been told/taught over the years. I have probably a dozen other thread's bookmarked on here, and finding good new links all the time. Who knew I'd wind up with a 'minor' in botany before it was all said & done. I come from soil background of a few yrs, so I'm not a total noob, but have just started my first coco grow.

I have some questions:

I see references and/or consensus that de-fanning in the late stages of bloom to provide more light to the lower areas of canopy, is bad.. - is that right? I mean, even including in early to mid-bloom, clipping fan leaves in order to let more light in. I know some1 who believed that before harvest all the fan leaves should be removed, to just speed up trim. That I can understand, but you wouldn't want to do this procedure, say, 5 - 6 days before harvest? Right? You'd just be stressing the plant it seems. I will add: that earlier this Spring, when I was completing a cycle of Dream Queen, I pulled the colas in order to be pro-active against Bud Rot (I live in a humid area), and usually this is fine, but this caused the plants to just start dying. I like the idea of pulling the colas in order to let some of the undergrowth get light for a few more days - but this time it really sorta backfired. That was the 1st time I had ever had that happen. Most of the time I just complete the chopping in order, and not pulling the cola of the grow all at once, but during the wet season, I just do that to combat BR.

What about creating the canopy? (I did google and search RIU threads for this) I was told that 12 - 14 days into flower, go through and clear out the underbrush, 'raising' the new canopy appropriate to height of plant(s) - but leaving, I would guess, 12" to 14, maybe even 16" of bare stem at the bottom. Would you complete this procedure during one run, like in an evening, say? Or gradually remove these from over a period of a few days? You're eliminating popcorn, and just scraggle at the bottom - but this is a good thing - si?

What an epiphany about the low N count in "Bloom" products, and I have to concur, I recall grows where yellowing leaves was just accepted. Man! WTFH @#$!&* I've noticed in the Canna nutes I'm using, the A+B+Rhizo, there wasn't much N in there at all.. and that is a mix that is supposed to be used throughout veg+bloom? Hmmmm. Another thing.. (which I may just call Botanicare tomorrow).. to address the low N ratio, I do have a HUGE container of Nitrex (6-0-0) but its been, old, maybe 2 yrs? Is this OK to use? I also have a small container of Humboldt Nutrients' Verde - but again, At least 2 yrs old.

Judging from this thread the Dyna-Gro seems to be a good choice maybe for consistent application (at a lower strength right?) in bloom. seems like I need a good N solution to supplement the Canna A+B formula. Should I just get the Hi-N-Pro, the All-Pro, or the Grow? if I cant use the Nitrex/Verde b/c of age

sum1 recommended to add Cal/Mg to this lineup, and I do have some Plant Amp (Cutting Edge) available, and was just going to use that. I am showing some slight deficiencies on the margins of a few leaves, and noticed chlorosis on a few leaves too (after adding that Nitrex! I think :/ ) - Also the Plant Amp I have is probably 4 - 6 months old, that should be fine I would think.

OK , so, so sorry for the ramble & the length; but many thanks in advance for addressing the question(s) above.
 

Rust1d

Active Member
What about creating the canopy? (I did google and search RIU threads for this) I was told that 12 - 14 days into flower, go through and clear out the underbrush, 'raising' the new canopy appropriate to height of plant(s) - but leaving, I would guess, 12" to 14, maybe even 16" of bare stem at the bottom. Would you complete this procedure during one run, like in an evening, say? Or gradually remove these from over a period of a few days? You're eliminating popcorn, and just scraggle at the bottom - but this is a good thing - si?
This is in no way directed at you just an observation on your question. One of the many things I've always wondered is why would someone want to take the time to grow a 5' plant and then chop off a 3rd of it? Seems to me it would be a lot easier to just grow a 3' plant. :confused:
 

riddleme

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simple botany, the plant makes leaves to adapt to its enviroment, because the plant knows what it needs to perform its functions and grows what it needs to take advantage of where it is growing, cutting fan leaves is the same as telling the plant that you know more than it does when it comes to what it needs???
 

Nitegazer

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I generally don't advocate cutting fan leaves, but...

If we only listened to what the plant is asking for there would be no

- topping
- hydroponics
- LST
- selective breeding
- air pruning roots

etc. etc.
 

riddleme

Well-Known Member
I generally don't advocate cutting fan leaves, but...

If we only listened to what the plant is asking for there would be no

- topping
- hydroponics
- LST
- selective breeding
- air pruning roots

etc. etc.
not completely true as some of this stuff happens naturally in nature, like topping, think a deer taking a nice bite
in fact a lot of what we "do" as techniques were learned by watching natural responses to things
 

Uncle Ben

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Tech problems again, can't reply multi-quote this time using IE.

I've addressed yanking fan leaves until I'm blue in the face. Please click on my name to check out my posts, you can start with the infamous lollipopping thread plus I just made a reply to the subject a few minutes ago. Also, I've posted alot of my plants in various threads, aint gonna take the time to do it again.

As an aside, "popular opinions" or consensus is usually wrong, especially when it comes to cannabis forums. People are inclined to believe what they want and the parrots and lemmings are a dime a dozen.

Grow hard,
UB
 

Nitegazer

Well-Known Member
not completely true as some of this stuff happens naturally in nature, like topping, think a deer taking a nice bite
in fact a lot of what we "do" as techniques were learned by watching natural responses to things
A critter could also take a nice bite out of fan leaves too.

I think the view that you and UB have regarding fan leaf cutting (and topping et.al.) is not based on simple botany as much a years of experience with the plant. Not all of your understanding is as obvious as it may seem to you, since it has developed over many grows.
 

buraka415

Active Member
UB -- sorry bro. I had just finished about 4hrs of solid reading last night, took a few tokes, and started typing. My apologies. I work in a field where I get asked a lot of the same questions over and over.. RTFM!! I've started reading the other threads you've referenced and will glean from that.

Guess I'm just trying to throw everything out there as I'm about to flip over to flowering, and I just want to see this cycle go good compared to the last one I had.

My post from last night obviously got more attention to the fan leaves part, but what about the inquiry about what to do about grabbing Dyna-Gro to supplement the Canna nute A+B/Rhizo mix I have been using, and plan to use throughout flower? Should I use Gro, All-Pro, or the Hi-N?

Thanks again.
 

Uncle Ben

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My post from last night obviously got more attention to the fan leaves part, but what about the inquiry about what to do about grabbing Dyna-Gro to supplement the Canna nute A+B/Rhizo mix I have been using, and plan to use throughout flower? Should I use Gro, All-Pro, or the Hi-N?

Thanks again.
I don't know. Should you? I work off NPK values, plant nutrition, so, I don't have a clue of what you're doing nor what those foods contain.

Good luck,
UB
 

kushma

Member
can u list the threads where they have been posted i have looked inall your threads i think and only a few pics of plants and not whole pics just like branches
 

sixstring2112

Well-Known Member
I don't know. Should you? I work off NPK values, plant nutrition, so, I don't have a clue of what you're doing nor what those foods contain.

Good luck,
UB
hey buraka415, not the answer you were looking for huh;) try asking someone like bricktop, he will give you the skinny on your nute question.
 

buraka415

Active Member
@sixstring. its OK. I have mad respect for a lot of you guys, and I've been reading my ass off & seeing a lot of people asking repeat questions. So I'm really trying to avoid. I should have provided more info. shit, it seems that a few guys here know so much about a ton of stuff, I sorta assumed.

@UB - my bad. Off to a rocky start on RIU. Needless to say, you've opened my eyes a ton, and I've recently become obsessed with (re)learning my MJ skills. So many bad things I've been told. /sigh. but i digress

Coco A NPK Formula: 4-0-1
Coco B NPK Formula: 0-4-2
the Rhizo is just a root stimulator, and once in bloom its only used another week or 2. Its NPK though.. hahah 0.6-0.0-0.6

I just read a lot in the coco threads where people seemed to have had pretty good results with just sticking to the Coco A+B nute line-up, in 100% coco, (with a PK additive a few weeks into flower). But having soaked up so much info here recently on this thread, and others, it feels that there is certainly not enough "N" in that lineup. I am just thinking I might pickup Dyna-Gro Hi-N-Pro (10-5-5) to supplement the A+B
 
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