**ULTIMATE LED TEST** *GLH Spectra 290* VS *Blackstar 500* VS *Hydro Grow LED 336X*

IlovePlants

IlovePlants

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Hey WeJuana,
I love the grow show you have going here friend. I just wanted to let you know that I'm subbed and you should keep up the good work. I can't wait to see the end results. So far it's looking really good although, having been a longtime lurker, I do notice a lot of people who post on other LED threads are posting the same passive aggressive bias that they always tend to do. You would think that a long time grower would have the patience to see the results before making a conclusion. You don't look at a bare bones vehicle on the assembly line and say, "I don't really think this car is going to go anywhere...". You wait until the vehicle is fully assembled before you can take it for a test drive. That's my view on it. I can't wait until the thread is complete and you have a smoke report to go along with it. Until then, you've put me on the edge of my seat!
Keep on Keepin' on,
ILove
 
karr

karr

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Right, so if the light has a greater spread from a wider angle lens(for lack of a better term) then the footprint is achieved at a lower height and in fact by raising the light outside this spec the light is bouncing off the sides(assuming that there are reflective sides) and losing power there as well as needlessly hindering yourself via the inverse square law.

I just see soo many posts on a variety of forums where people complain about a product and only a fraction off the readers realize that the author didn't follow directions.

To me this grow is going to be very fun to watch but, sadly, so entirely far from a comparison at this point that the title ultimate led test is a slap in the face to guys like ss who actually take the time to test things properly.

I still see the theory with nutes being an appropriate metaphor here. If I were to post a title of ionic vs gh nutes then used the ionic scale of 4tsp/gal for each of the gh parts and shrivel my plants to a thread that wouldn't be a nice comparison would it?

Sorry for being so critical, it just irks me when something so simple is brushed aside and skewed tests deliver tainted results that influence an impressionable audience.

WeJuana said:
Definitely, but the theory works better with bottles of nutrients, and not a perpetual grow.

As is, the lights are all within 24" of the top canopy which is in the suggested range of all of the lights to my understanding. (12-24"). Eventually I will be entering plants into the tents taller than the ones now which will require the lights to be at this height. For that reason I chose to control the height variable by keeping all the lights at the same distance of 55" for the time being. Later I may take the lights down to the closest of the suggested range, but in my opinion if one is growing a 4x4 space, its about maximizing the footprint of the light to cover the growing area evenly, rather than hover close and be much brighter and intense on those directly underneath.
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WeJuana

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karr said:
Right, so if the light has a greater spread from a wider angle lens(for lack of a better term) then the footprint is achieved at a lower height and in fact by raising the light outside this spec the light is bouncing off the sides(assuming that there are reflective sides) and losing power there as well as needlessly hindering yourself via the inverse square law.

I just see soo many posts on a variety of forums where people complain about a product and only a fraction off the readers realize that the author didn't follow directions.

To me this grow is going to be very fun to watch but, sadly, so entirely far from a comparison at this point that the title ultimate led test is a slap in the face to guys like ss who actually take the time to test things properly.

I still see the theory with nutes being an appropriate metaphor here. If I were to post a title of ionic vs gh nutes then used the ionic scale of 4tsp/gal for each of the gh parts and shrivel my plants to a thread that wouldn't be a nice comparison would it?

Sorry for being so critical, it just irks me when something so simple is brushed aside and skewed tests deliver tainted results that influence an impressionable audience.
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You have to understand though, for those following the thread, I have already stated the height the lights are currently at are not necessarily the most ideal. I can understand being upset at people testing for a specific company, who claim they are following manufacturer instructions, while in fact they are not. I simply set up the test and have explained in detail the setup, and that it is not the closest recommended distance.

I fear you are making a judgement before the testing is over. If my yields lack significantly from other LED yields, then I will definitely consider looking into changing factors to reflect accurate yields. I have however not harvested even one time.

I am not understanding how you claim this is "far from a comparison" when the definition is simply comparing alike items, in this case the lights.

I completely understand your metaphor, but what your metaphor lacks to account for is the height of plants, requiring the light to be a certain height.

So as it is now, you do not actually knowing the distance from the canopy to the light, but merely the distance from light to floor (55"), yet your stating I am not using them correctly. Please tell me what you feel the appropriate distance the lights should be from the canopy if you would humor me, and we can see how close to that they actually sit.

Not a problem at all, I enjoy critiquing, but there is a difference in a critique that is valid versus one wishing the experiment controls were as they would have set, versus what I actually set.
 
Endur0xX

Endur0xX

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There is a lot of newbie growers on this website and I like the idea of knowing which light will give the best overall result for the hobbyist, not the scientist... and so far it looks like blackstar, period.
 
maxpesh

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zmoorhs said:
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dont get scammed kids
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zmoors ! Have you ever considered that maybe it just might not be a scam ? This thread is not intended to be HPS Vs LED , so if ur only here to throw around negativities could you do it on another thread please. He's posting pics AND vids, what more proof do you want ?
 
Endur0xX

Endur0xX

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zmoorhs said:
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dont get scammed kids
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Next week I will be setting up my LED dresser experiment, (I already have the same strain going under dual spectrum HID with the same supersoil...) and I will find out for myself...

I can already tell you that I am currently using the 5th generation UFO 90 Blue LED 90w as supplemental light in my room waiting for another LED, and the plant right under it is doing a LOT better than any other. So if anything, those LEDs will always be great as supplemental light ... but there is no doubt in my mind that I will have a similar ratio g/watt with either setup...
 
Endur0xX

Endur0xX

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how do you explain plants doing better with a combination of HID and LED if they are so useless? you can also look at blue goo experiment on youtube, the LED didnt grow as big of buds but still did really well... considering that the lights are only gonna get better...
 
Endur0xX

Endur0xX

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it's entertaining me right now! like I say, I dont care what people say, I will soon find out for myself... if it does work, if the LED are the shit, we are just about to see a new generation of marijuana growers using strictly sealed room LED and co2...
 
maxpesh

maxpesh

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Well when my next lot go into flower in a week maybe doubters will believe me as my first Led grow with 2 500watt blackstars was absolutely shit and the thread is still on here. However turned out that it wasn't the lights at fault it was something I had not come across before, but got the problem sorted so my new journal starts in about a weeks time, trust me I caused quite a stir and I hope that original thread of mine stays on there for all to see so that this time when my results are GOOD, hopefully all the doubters will believe ?
 
hoss12781

hoss12781

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Endur0xX said:
Next week I will be setting up my LED dresser experiment, (I already have the same strain going under dual spectrum HID with the same supersoil...) and I will find out for myself...

I can already tell you that I am currently using the 5th generation UFO 90 Blue LED 90w as supplemental light in my room waiting for another LED, and the plant right under it is doing a LOT better than any other. So if anything, those LEDs will always be great as supplemental light ... but there is no doubt in my mind that I will have a similar ratio g/watt with either setup...
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man if you want to see better results you'll need to get a light offering more than one spectrum. Even with 90w all blue and a 90w all red you're not hitting on all cylinders. Most of the 2011 models from reputable companies offer at least 7 different bands if not more. Just a friendly fyi from someone who once owned a 90w all blue and later sold it.
 
puffenuff

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puffenuff said:
What's up Wejuana? Things are starting to get interesting now. Just curious, have you noticed any differences in the units as far as how much heat they put off...does one tent get hotter than the others? Can you also speak on your watering schedules? Do you find that your medium dries out faster under one light compared to the others? Thanks!
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Yo WeJuana, I guess you glanced over this, but I'm still interested in your observations. Thanks!
 
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WeJuana

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zmoorhs said:
he works for an led company an got 2 of the 3 for free on loan for this led advertisement thread


why is every led journel tainted with biased an fake results ? because there are only a few REAL led grow threads that get spammed an buried by the shills as they show the real proof of leds , real growers dont fall for fly by night scams like these led shills are pushing

theres a line in the sand either your gonna defend scammers ripping off medical patients an new growers or you are gonna expose them for what they really are

think about the people envolved in selling these brands

cammy known scammer
gothem hydro ex hedge fund managers known scammers
irish known shill an spammer exposed using hps an switching in led for photo ops on another 2 forums
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Just wanted to clear a few things up for the record.

I don't work for an LED company. I didn't get 2/3 lights free on loan for this thread. I am not posting fake results.

I would like to know why you feel this doesn't constitute as a "real led grow" -- do you feel I am a scammer? hedge fund manager (or ex)? Switching the LEDs with HPS? Or are you coming to the thread just to mention all of everyone else's negativity since you didn't find any errors on my part, and then imply "REAL led grow threads that get spammed an buried by the shills as they show the real proof of leds" as if you are not one of the shills spamming.

You say "think about the people envolved in selling these brands"
I say "think about how hard you think about what this guy is saying if he can't even spell the word *involved*)
 
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WeJuana

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puffenuff said:
Yo WeJuana, I guess you glanced over this, but I'm still interested in your observations. Thanks!
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Those fans pull the heck out of the air in the tents.. I can't tell how much heat they are putting off.. all of them don't put off enough for me to tell with the fans on.
 
hoss12781

hoss12781

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WeJuana said:
Just wanted to clear a few things up for the record.

I don't work for an LED company. I didn't get 2/3 lights free on loan for this thread. I am not posting fake results.

I would like to know why you feel this doesn't constitute as a "real led grow" -- do you feel I am a scammer? hedge fund manager (or ex)? Switching the LEDs with HPS? Or are you coming to the thread just to mention all of everyone else's negativity since you didn't find any errors on my part, and then imply "REAL led grow threads that get spammed an buried by the shills as they show the real proof of leds" as if you are not one of the shills spamming.

You say "think about the people envolved in selling these brands"
I say "think about how hard you think about what this guy is saying if he can't even spell the word *involved*)
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Indeed. He pretty much accused me of the same damn thing. If you want to get his douchebaggery removed from your journal just contact a mod, most are eager to help remove assholes. That's what I've had to do in my journal ... twice.
 
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WeJuana

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zmoorhs said:
id like to see you type out every word in dutch then welsh english is my third language i do my best i can speak it 3 x better then i can type it , why the gramma nazi did i hit to close to the bone ? yep your post an then many others like it everytime these facts are brought up on any forum goes along way to validating everything i said

your deflection failed
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Deflections change the direction of something, I am facing what you are saying head on. And obviously I would repost and correct wrongful information on my own thread?

What are you looking to get accomplished? Make me seem less honest? Steer people away from LEDs?
Because myself, all I want to get accomplished is to show the actual results the lights provide. I am not sitting here as a salesman, nor do I make a dime if any company sells a light off this thread. I'm simply a grower trying to show what LEDs can do, instead of being a negative nancy troll such as yourself. If you have something to say negative about LEDs, let's hear some facts because so far it just sounds like you have opinions that they don't work.
 
sleezy1

sleezy1

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WeJuana said:
Definitely, but the theory works better with bottles of nutrients, and not a perpetual grow.

As is, the lights are all within 24" of the top canopy which is in the suggested range of all of the lights to my understanding. (12-24"). Eventually I will be entering plants into the tents taller than the ones now which will require the lights to be at this height. For that reason I chose to control the height variable by keeping all the lights at the same distance of 55" for the time being. Later I may take the lights down to the closest of the suggested range, but in my opinion if one is growing a 4x4 space, its about maximizing the footprint of the light to cover the growing area evenly, rather than hover close and be much brighter and intense on those directly underneath.
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WeJuana, with my blackstars I vegg at 10-14 inches, during flowering I am 6 inches from the top canopy. I understand having your lights higher would increase the footprint of the lights. I just wanted to make sure I was getting dense buds at the bottom of each plant And it worked! Im getting dense, dank buds at the very bottom of every plant. Im curious if you leave your lights at that distance what the density and penetration would be like. So I will be watching your blackstar grow for some intel. Looking great by the way!
 
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