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letdown shifty

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So that bubblegum from a page or two back, 'the hydra'? This one;
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Well, I'm afraid I was wrong when I said that she might be a pound and a half.

At 26 1/4z, she's a rounding error shy of a pound and two thirds!

Sooooo... 'Personal best'. Without CO² supplementation. Without good climate control. And definitely without COB LED.

I Wonder what they'll look like once they ARE getting all these benefits? I'm betting I can make one pull three. Any takers?
So..... My question is, who is the girl in picture in relation to you? And can she talk/mentor my wife into helping me grow? Good looking plants buddy.
-Shifty
 

ttystikk

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So..... My question is, who is the girl in picture in relation to you? And can she talk/mentor my wife into helping me grow? Good looking plants buddy.
-Shifty
I'm afraid that my expertise only extends to the female of the cannabis species, lol

Maybe if you tell your wife that she could probably do it better than you... Straight up, I do not know why but women seem to be better at plant husbandry.

Thanks for the good word, brother!
 

letdown shifty

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I'm afraid that my expertise only extends to the female of the cannabis species, lol

Maybe if you tell your wife that she could probably do it better than you... Straight up, I do not know why but women seem to be better at plant husbandry.

Thanks for the good word, brother!
She knows that would be a lie, as she kills your average house plant. heh, green thumb she has not.
 

whitebb2727

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six panels ok, well gonna consider two panel lengths, not angled. good point about more air! . ive gotta read back into this thread before '16. one layer design
Draw two x's with a light on the outside and middle of the x.

+ is a light x would be a panel built like an x.

+x+x+. Would be an example. Or a full row.
+x+x+x+x+x+x . You do multiple rows.
X+x+x+x+x+x+
+x+x+x+x+x+x. Like rows of diamonds. Vertical grow with lights on both side.
 

abe supercro

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It would work great with lec you were using and with cobs just build a square tower and turn it to fit in the diamonds.
I still have no experience w any LEDs or cobs, so perhaps your design is perfect for an led application. my design would employ 600 watt hi intensity bulbs, because that's what I'm accustomed to. I'm open to learning about led as the price for acquiring them decreases.

Draw two x's with a light on the outside and middle of the x.

+ is a light x would be a panel built like an x.

+x+x+. Would be an example. Or a full row.
+x+x+x+x+x+x . You do multiple rows.
X+x+x+x+x+x+
+x+x+x+x+x+x. Like rows of diamonds. Vertical grow with lights on both side.
I do like the idea of staggering lights, but I was thinking more along the lines of one plane of lights, bulbs alternating evenly, but only in one lengthy row in the center. This would provide tremendous focused intensity w all the light overlap.


Ok, the other day I sat down to sketch things out a bit and I immediately saw the need to have end panels, to get the extra root systems involved to bump yield. I think the plants wld still stretch at the ends to wrap into available light, but without the extra outside root systems it just wouldn't be as productive.

I'm imagining the end panels as perhaps smaller w less plants and at least one end wld be slightly more open for access.
 

whitebb2727

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I still have no experience w any LEDs or cobs, so perhaps your design is perfect for an led application. my design would employ 600 watt hi intensity bulbs, because that's what I'm accustomed to. I'm open to learning about led as the price for acquiring them decreases.


I do like the idea of staggering lights, but I was thinking more along the lines of one plane of lights, bulbs alternating evenly, but only in one lengthy row in the center. This would provide tremendous focused intensity w all the light overlap.


Ok, the other day I sat down to sketch things out a bit and I immediately saw the need to have end panels, to get the extra root systems involved to bump yield. I think the plants wld still stretch at the ends to wrap into available light, but without the extra outside root systems it just wouldn't be as productive.

I'm imagining the end panels as perhaps smaller w less plants and at least one end wld be slightly more open for access.
I refined the idea.
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Excuse the crude drawing. I sketched it quickly.
 

ttystikk

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So what is the foot print one cob covers at the proper distance for bloom?
'THAT DEPENDS'...

On the COB LED in question
On how softly it's driven
On the lens being used
On the distance from the canopy

One CXB3590, driven at 50W, with a 90 degree lens, 16" from the canopy, will do a one square foot area very well and perhaps a bit more.
 

m4s73r

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Ok so that gives me some numbers to work with. So you said perhaps a bit more. so lets call it 14 sq.
So doing it flat rather then a silo, against the wall. (assuming we mount the trellis to the wall) on a 72'' wall (+24'' for grow medium/system) across a 8 foot section. So a total of 30 cobs total to light a 6 foot high by 8 foot long wall. And in one 8 by 8 room thats 60 for 3 walls and 20 for one wall accounting for a door way into the room.
So 80 cobs total for that room.
Damn. 4000 watts of LED.

that would be pricey. lol
 

ttystikk

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Ok so that gives me some numbers to work with. So you said perhaps a bit more. so lets call it 14 sq.
So doing it flat rather then a silo, against the wall. (assuming we mount the trellis to the wall) on a 72'' wall (+24'' for grow medium/system) across a 8 foot section. So a total of 30 cobs total to light a 6 foot high by 8 foot long wall. And in one 8 by 8 room thats 60 for 3 walls and 20 for one wall accounting for a door way into the room.
So 80 cobs total for that room.
Damn. 4000 watts of LED.

that would be pricey. lol
They'll do over 800 PPfD on 1.5sq ft. I'll run 16 of these same COBs over a 4x6 trellis panel. Therefore, your 6x8 panel would need 32, and yeah. Then again, it will be cool, bright and run just about forever!
 
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Oregon Gardener

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I always plant my seeds when the Moon of Earth exists, personally. Works great!
I don't know why I like it either, but I do. Anyway, I took off both shoes, counted backward, and came up with Nov 20th or so for germination on the O.C. The 25th was a Full Beaver Moon. I don't know what that is either, but I'm sure I don't want to let another pass without further investigation. Anyway, I have to report first that from F-1s I'm getting Males and females and different phenotypes but excellent growth, The seed bank seeds cracked on or about the 26th; mostly fem, very uniform, and in my opinion also having an excellent start. So I'm right there. This will be known as the Full Beaver Moon Grow. I believe I'm going to have to figure out how to post a grow diary now. LoL :bigjoint:

  1. eptember 27th Full Harvest Moon 10:50 pm
    October 27th Full Hunter's Moon 8:05 am
    November 25th Full Beaver Moon 5:44 pm
    December 25th Full Cold Moon 6:11 am
    9 more rows
    Full Moon Dates & Times - Farmers' Almanac
    farmersalmanac.com/full-moon-dates-and-times/
 

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m4s73r

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They'll do over 800 PPfD on 1.5sq ft. I'll run 16 of these same COBs over a 4x6 trellis panel. Therefore, your 6x8 panel would need 32, and yeah. Then again, it will be cool, bright and run just about forever!

Yeah way too rich for my blood. But, If i was an investor looking at it for a business maybe. I would be able to get them cheaper in a bulk situation.

Here is the thing, at the light amount your talking about, wouldnt it just be better to grow them outside? Spend that money putting up a greenhouse. As legalization comes to all the states, why would you grow indoors anymore? I know I wouldnt, the only reason id have a grow indoors is to preveg my plants before spring arrived.
 

ttystikk

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Yeah way too rich for my blood. But, If i was an investor looking at it for a business maybe. I would be able to get them cheaper in a bulk situation.

Here is the thing, at the light amount your talking about, wouldnt it just be better to grow them outside? Spend that money putting up a greenhouse. As legalization comes to all the states, why would you grow indoors anymore? I know I wouldnt, the only reason id have a grow indoors is to preveg my plants before spring arrived.
Indoor growing will always have a place. Outdoor will never have the consistent quality of indoor.
 

letdown shifty

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@ttystikk that and when you get rid of the controlled box, you introduce a lot of variables. Indoor will always have a place. If you wanted to capture all the goodness of the sun, you could get a building with a roof that will open for sunlight. Many individual panels that also act as reflectors.
-Shifty
 
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