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Ttystikk's vertical goodness

Feisty1UR

Feisty1UR

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Hey, ttystikk love your style of growing. What's the difference between growing vertical compared to scrog for example... seems like a lot more hard work for a similar outcome. I'd love to try this at some point, but for my next (Second) grow - I was thinking about setting up a perpetual SoG grow. Using some of the famous SSDD by Bodhi. How would it compare in terms of harvest time and overall yield?

I should have taken more notice of it when I first joined these forums.....When I was getting compared as your doppelgänger for having the same Avatar :D

You had a lot of haters in the beginning of this thread, I admire your dedication to it :-)
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Feisty1UR said:
Hey, ttystikk love your style of growing. What's the difference between growing vertical compared to scrog for example... seems like a lot more hard work for a similar outcome. I'd love to try this at some point, but for my next (Second) grow - I was thinking about setting up a perpetual SoG grow. Using some of the famous SSDD by Bodhi. How would it compare in terms of harvest time and overall yield?

I should have taken more notice of it when I first joined these forums.....When I was getting compared as your doppelgänger for having the same Avatar :D

You had a lot of haters in the beginning of this thread, I admire your dedication to it :-)
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This IS a SCRoG style, just vertical! No, it's not more work. No idea, I've never run that strain.
 
Feisty1UR

Feisty1UR

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ttystikk said:
This IS a SCRoG style, just vertical! No, it's not more work. No idea, I've never run that strain.
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I'm not talking about that specific strain, just mentioning thats the one I'll be running this time around - I meant if you were going to grow using this method. Would you have a similar outcome comparing SoG to Vertical during the time it takes to fully mature + Yield.

Edit: Sorry I'm being ignorant, you said its exactly like a ScroG. So +- 5 months I guess?

Finished my first grow and I'll still asking ridiculous questions, I'll leave now and do my research haha :mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Feisty1UR said:
I'm not talking about that specific strain, just mentioning thats the one I'll be running this time around - I meant if you were going to grow using this method. Would you have a similar outcome comparing SoG to Vertical during the time it takes to fully mature + Yield.

Edit: Sorry I'm being ignorant, you said its exactly like a ScroG. So +- 5 months I guess?

Finished my first grow and I'll still asking ridiculous questions, I'll leave now and do my research haha :mrgreen::mrgreen:
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The two approaches take about the same time.
 
pop22

pop22

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I've asked this 100 times, and still haven't seemed to ask it right, because NO ONE has ever given an answer based on science......

So, maybe you can explain to me just how "flushing" is suppose to work. My very basic understanding of how a plant takes in, stores, and uses nutrients says, flushing is bullshit and a total waste of time and damaging to a plant right when it is at its peak. You remove nothing but needed sugars right when the plant needs them.
I've heard a lot of anecdotal " evidence", none of which proves anything.


Afgan King said:
The only flush involved is feeding ph'd water for the whole week before crop. I feed every 3-4 days and they drink about 3-3.5 gallons Everytime I feed into my pots so a total of 6-7gallons will be used over the week but it's basically still a hydro system so that last week cleans em nicely and gets you a great fade
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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pop22 said:
I've asked this 100 times, and still haven't seemed to ask it right, because NO ONE has ever given an answer based on science......

So, maybe you can explain to me just how "flushing" is suppose to work. My very basic understanding of how a plant takes in, stores, and uses nutrients says, flushing is bullshit and a total waste of time and damaging to a plant right when it is at its peak. You remove nothing but needed sugars right when the plant needs them.
I've heard a lot of anecdotal " evidence", none of which proves anything.
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I dial my nutrient strength back through the last two weeks of bloom, but never to zero.

My peak under 860W CDM lamps is around 2.0 EC. By the time 56 days have gone by however, I've brought it down to 1.3-1.4.
 
pop22

pop22

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I can understand that, it at least seems makes sense.

ttystikk said:
I dial my nutrient strength back through the last two weeks of bloom, but never to zero.

My peak under 860W CDM lamps is around 2.0 EC. By the time 56 days have gone by however, I've brought it down to 1.3-1.4.
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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pop22 said:
I can understand that, it at least seems makes sense.
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What's the science? Excellent question!

While we're working that out, I've seen places that say to run pH high through bloom and bring it down at finish- and I've seen the reverse, which is what I do;

Start day one of bloom at pH 5.6, let the target creep up to 6.0 about day 28, then let it creep up to 6.5 by day 56.
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

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Im growing in an organic media (soil) similar to no till, flushing is bullshit. The plant will uptake what it needs, when it needs it. If you are heavily salting things up, flushing only aids in flushing out those salts building up in the media, its not flushing the fucking plant out......
 
TheChemist77

TheChemist77

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i get my ph to 5.6 every time i clean n change the rez.. after a few days ph slowly rises,, i wait till 6.3 then top off or change rez and get ph back to 5.6.. so my ph never goes above 6.3,never below 5.5, but its never the same for very long either.. as for flushing, ive found anything beyond 7 days of flush loses yield,, i keep nutes on till buds are swollen, maybe done,,, then do a 3-5 day flush of plain ph balanced water or gh kleen...most of the other caregivers i know do NO flush at all.. if running pure organics no flush is needed flushing is for getting rid of chemicals.. wright??? ty, is letting that ph costantly drift ok? there is no way i can find to keep a steady ph over a week or 2 without using ph up or down???
 
SomeGuy

SomeGuy

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I've not ph tested my res. But roots are white and healthy... I'm gonna add some nutes to the blu balz rez and see how it.goes. Only one fading right now. It's a heavy eater apparently.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Feisty1UR said:
I'm not talking about that specific strain, just mentioning thats the one I'll be running this time around - I meant if you were going to grow using this method. Would you have a similar outcome comparing SoG to Vertical during the time it takes to fully mature + Yield.

Edit: Sorry I'm being ignorant, you said its exactly like a ScroG. So +- 5 months I guess?

Finished my first grow and I'll still asking ridiculous questions, I'll leave now and do my research haha :mrgreen::mrgreen:
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It depends on how fast of a driver you are:
The vert scrog is similar to horizontal scrog except you can fit 4 of them in the same floor space

In 4-8 weeks veg you should have something like this
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Then add your 8 week flower time so somewhere around 4 months
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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OneHitDone said:
It depends on how fast of a driver you are:
The vert scrog is similar to horizontal scrog except you can fit 4 of them in the same floor space

In 4-8 weeks veg you should have something like this
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Then add your 8 week flower time so somewhere around 4 months
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Mine go 5 months because they need to fill a six foot tall trellis and yield up to two pounds apiece (best so far).
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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OneHitDone said:
How are your coco vegging plants stacking up compared to what you are used to seeing in DWC?
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My early veg stages are in ebb n flood tables, so not true RDWC. The girls in coco are growing as fast or faster, it seems due to the buffering effect of the substrate. Much less effort needed to maintain nutrient balance, as well.
 
TheChemist77

TheChemist77

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thanks, everything seems to be going well. havnt put up pix in a wile but this run may be my biggest yield yet..40 plants packed on the 4x6 table under 2 315's .each plant in 4 inch rock wool block, placed into a 6 inch net pot then covered with grow rocks,,open table no cover... i put the lamps as high as i could wright off the bat, just let the plants grow to them, im at week 4 now i think and plants are about 2 feet from lamps..closer than id like but nothing i can do till i can figure out how to lower the table.. next run i hope to keep a 3ft distance from canopy the hole way...
 
TheChemist77

TheChemist77

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ty your shit always looking good.. u still run any bubble gum? ive now ran 17 different strains this year and the th seeds bubble gum is still my best yield and the best crystal producer by far,,its like white widow, just covered in trycks.. planted 2 spliff blue berries and 3 black skull 5.0 fems that are a few weeks into bloom..i was hoping one would compete with the gum,,dont think its happening..ever tried black skull seeds? any info on them ? im just cutting back on strains, getting rid of big bomb, viking,popcorn, and island sweet skunk and keeping incredible bulk and bubble gum.. took clones off the blue berries and 5.0's but need more time to see how they go..still waiting to pop the budzilla's
 
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