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DIY-HP-LED

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Bagginski said:
I don’t think they care what hurts them & what doesn’t: their Liars’ Chorus in the House is every bit as shameful - and transparent - as Putin’s insistence that Z forces only hit “military” targets. The Magadonians approve of the lying, the deceit, the threat

Like I’ve said before, they’re ALL IN. *Everything* is at stake for them, their plain-view overreach these past 8 years has already destabilized them, has drawn far too much attention for ‘plausible deniability’ to function, and they aren’t even trying to catch their balance anymore, just grabbing (at) what they can, hitting (at) who they can. Problem is, them not caring what happens ‘after’ means they’re totally committed to winning at any cost. They’re pressing on as if they were going to win because if they *don’t* win, they’re sunk w/o trace

Winning at any cost…a POV that has spearheaded many a disaster. In our current case w/ the exposed overthrow teams sitting in power in the House right now, winning at any cost could mean the dissolution of everything but the name, The United States of America(tm) - a Charlie Koch joint
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Win a meaningful and useful majority in 24 and then much can be done to level electoral the playing field and bring J6 back for another round and report after the legal dust settles a bit. Voting rights and HR1 on steroids should help, along with cutting foxnews off at the knees with a public inquiry about rightwing media and disinformation that causes public harm. Keep them out of power for a decade and demographic changes should do the rest along with their poisoned base vomiting up unelectable candidates with shitty ideas.
 
BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED

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BudmanTX said:
and his case just gets weaker and weaker.......

www.bloomberg.com

Trump ‘Standing Order’ to Declassify Not Found by DOJ, Intelligence Agency

A “standing order” that former President Donald Trump has claimed authorized him to instantly declassify documents removed from the Oval Office could not be found by either the Justice Department or Office of Director of National Intelligence.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1674530277249662977
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No surprise there. The democrats don't want Trump locked up, but the Republicans do and can't say a word about it! They had better hope for a speedy trial ASAP because it is gonna get really messy for them when the shit hits the fan, timing is everything on this one!
 
cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
No surprise there. The democrats don't want Trump locked up, but the Republicans do and can't say a word about it! They had better hope for a speedy trial ASAP because it is gonna get really messy for them when the shit hits the fan, timing is everything on this one!
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False.

This is part of your idée fixe about that man being a wrecking ball for the GOP. It’s not happening that way. Yours is very much a minority opinion in this instance.
 
Fogdog

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I came across an ad that was made by a Republican official during the lead up to the 2020 presidential election and she spoke hot fire against Trump and his record as president. Not going to post it here because, you know, preaching to the choir. But it got me over to the Republican Accountability Project's youtube site. Their most recent ad:


In this forum, we are down in the weeds, learning about things like proffer agreements. What struck me in this ad is how very simple and basic the ad is. The RAC is an organization of Republicans who are speaking to their own and must know that the details are not going to convince their fellow MAGA Republicans to turn away from the traitor in chief. So, they get an old, retired, recovering stroke victim and well regarded general, Michael Hayden a former CIA and NSA director who served during the Obama and Bush administrations to speak plainly to them about what Donald Trump did when he violated the laws of this nation and took documents that belonged to the government, some of which contained important national secrets.

I hope he does better that I can do to help fellow Americans find their way back from the crazy wilderness they have lost themselves in.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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cannabineer said:
False.

This is part of your idée fixe about that man being a wrecking ball for the GOP. It’s not happening that way. Yours is very much a minority opinion in this instance.
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I have not heard too many democrats calling for a speedy trial, there are some for sure, but silence from many. Some MAGA republicans are making noises, but many are silent or avoiding the topic. Trump is a wrecking ball for the GOP and has captivated the majority of their base despite of being indicted. If his base gets pissed at the GOP, they might stay home because "the RINOs sold out", things are polling pretty tight so far and if they lose just 10% of their base they are screwed. Trump could make a bull moose run and nominate his own candidates if he doesn't win the nomination, even from prison. If he wins the nomination (from a cell), they stand a good chance of having the rug pulled out from under them before the election anyway.
 
cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I have not heard too many democrats calling for a speedy trial, there are some for sure, but silence from many. Some MAGA republicans are making noises, but many are silent or avoiding the topic. Trump is a wrecking ball for the GOP and has captivated the majority of their base despite of being indicted. If his base gets pissed at the GOP, they might stay home because "the RINOs sold out", things are polling pretty tight so far and if they lose just 10% of their base they are screwed. Trump could make a bull moose run and nominate his own candidates if he doesn't win the nomination, even from prison. If he wins the nomination (from a cell), they stand a good chance of having the rug pulled out from under them before the election anyway.
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I could be wrong, but I think most Democrats were hoping for a speedier trial, and were frustrated with Garland’s very slow progress.

Having Smith put on the job, and seeing him move, was a big morale boost.

I would wager many many Democrats are aware that there is one shot at a conviction for the Jan 6 affair. Given the choice “done fast, or done right” not many would go with option A.

So it is my impression that Democrats have been quiet by and large because speaking up won’t help.
In fact speaking up gives Republicans a point of leverage about “the weaponized DOJ” and other hypocrisies, which also recommends sitting back and watching.

Jmo. But I do distinctly believe that were it practical, most Femocrats Dudeocrats as well! would have relished speedy and severe consequences for the insurrection.

Personally I hope that the long time invested will have as a dividend multiple legislators whom we pretty much know conspired indicted and tried as codefendants.
 
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Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I have not heard too many democrats calling for a speedy trial, there are some for sure, but silence from many. Some MAGA republicans are making noises, but many are silent or avoiding the topic. Trump is a wrecking ball for the GOP and has captivated the majority of their base despite of being indicted. If his base gets pissed at the GOP, they might stay home because "the RINOs sold out", things are polling pretty tight so far and if they lose just 10% of their base they are screwed. Trump could make a bull moose run and nominate his own candidates if he doesn't win the nomination, even from prison. If he wins the nomination (from a cell), they stand a good chance of having the rug pulled out from under them before the election anyway.
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It feels more like 50:30:20 of liberals or moderates who post here with 50% who complain about the time and 30% who assume the DOJ is taking so long because they are ensuring they get it right and 20% who say Trump will not be held accountable -- that the DOJ is not going to take meaningful action or is letting Trump run out the clock.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
I could be wrong, but I think most Democrats were hoping for a speedier trial, and were frustrated with Garland’s very slow progress.

Having Smith put on the job, and seeing him move, was a big morale boost.

I would wager many many Democrats are aware that there is one shot at a conviction for the Jan 6 affair. Given the choice “done fast, or done right” not many would go with option A.

So it is my impression that Democrats have been quiet by and large because speaking up won’t help.
In fact speaking up gives Republicans a point of leverage about “the weaponized DOJ” and other hypocrisies, which also recommends sitting back and watching.

Jmo. But I do distinctly believe that were it practical, most Femocrats Dudeocrats as well! would have relished speedy and severe consequences for the insurrection.

Personally I hope that the long time invested will have as a dividend multiple legislators whom we pretty much know conspired indicted and tried as codefendants.
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https://www.yourdictionary.com/femocrat
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
It feels more like 50:30:20 of liberals or moderates who post here with 50% who complain about the time and 30% who assume the DOJ is taking so long because they are ensuring they get it right and 20% who say Trump will not be held accountable and the DOJ is not going to take meaningful action or letting Trump run out the clock.
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I was thinking more about the democratic strategists and politicians, the more chaos and division in the republican camp close to the election the better. Personally, I feel justice delayed is justice denied, but there is a greater purpose at play here, the election of 24. We will see what Cannon does with the DOJs motion to delay the trial until December, then go for it with a 3-to-6-week trial. In the meantime, it appears Donald and others will get hit with more indictments over the MAL docs case, possibly in a different venue, more than Trump and Nauta will be indicted over that fiasco. Plenty of action and indictments coming up over the next few of months methinks

I'm curious about what Cannon will do, she can't save Trump even if she sacrifices herself and might be more beholding to the GOP than Trump. A speedy trial and disposal would be best for them, get him out of the way before the primaries start, or the convention at least. The republicans have to deal with Donald while minimizing the damage he will do on the way down and locking him up ASAP is the best way to do that.
 
Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
I was thinking more about the democratic strategists and politicians, the more chaos and division in the republican camp close to the election the better. Personally, I feel justice delayed is justice denied, but there is a greater purpose at play here, the election of 24. We will see what Cannon does with the DOJs motion to delay the trial until December, then go for it with a 3-to-6-week trial. In the meantime, it appears Donald and others will get hit with more indictments over the MAL docs case, possibly in a different venue, more than Trump and Nauta will be indicted over that fiasco. Plenty of action and indictments coming up over the next few of months methinks

I'm curious about what Cannon will do, she can't save Trump even if she sacrifices herself and might be more beholding to the GOP than Trump. A speedy trial and disposal would be best for them, get him out of the way before the primaries start, or the convention at least. The republicans have to deal with Donald while minimizing the damage he will do on the way down and locking him up ASAP is the best way to do that.
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"Because he took too long, Garland is inept" or,
"Garland skillfully controlled the investigations so they would have maximum effect on the election" {There it is again, your assertion that the DOJ is politicizing the investigation.:roll:}

You can't have it both ways. Which is it? Inept or skillful?


"None of the above is the correct answer. Garland made a mistake when he chose the ultra safe, "climb up the ladder of command" strategy, to get Trump at the top. It wasn't working and he lost time by trying it first. But he corrected that mistake when it became obvious that his strategy wasn't working and appointed Smith. Garland has a cautious nature Maybe a different person would not have made that mistake. But inept? Not. Ineptitude could be rightfully claimed if he didn't recognize his mistake or did not address it. But he did recognize and fix his mistake. So I think you are utterly wrong.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
"Because he took too long, Garland is inept" or,
"Garland skillfully controlled the investigations so they would have maximum effect on the election" {There it is again, your assertion that the DOJ is politicizing the investigation.:roll:}

You can't have it both ways. Which is it? Inept or skillful?


"None of the above is the correct answer. Garland made a mistake when he chose the ultra safe, "climb up the ladder of command" strategy, to get Trump at the top. It wasn't working and he lost time by trying it first. But he corrected that mistake when it became obvious that his strategy wasn't working and appointed Smith. Garland has a cautious nature Maybe a different person would not have made that mistake. But inept? Not. Ineptitude could be rightfully claimed if he didn't recognize his mistake or did not address it. But he did recognize and fix his mistake. So I think you are utterly wrong.
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I never thought he was inept. He isn't stupid, he just seems OVERLY cautious to me. I suppose that comes from years on the bench, knowing what kind of pitfalls can happen if you don't do your homework, but that doesn't make it any easier to watch happen, while the biggest criminal in American history almost seats himself as dictator for life, after an insurrection attempt that only failed because it's organizers WERE inept.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
"Because he took too long, Garland is inept" or,
"Garland skillfully controlled the investigations so they would have maximum effect on the election" {There it is again, your assertion that the DOJ is politicizing the investigation.:roll:}

You can't have it both ways. Which is it? Inept or skillful?


"None of the above is the correct answer. Garland made a mistake when he chose the ultra safe, "climb up the ladder of command" strategy, to get Trump at the top. It wasn't working and he lost time by trying it first. But he corrected that mistake when it became obvious that his strategy wasn't working and appointed Smith. Garland has a cautious nature Maybe a different person would not have made that mistake. But inept? Not. Ineptitude could be rightfully claimed if he didn't recognize his mistake or did not address it. But he did recognize and fix his mistake. So I think you are utterly wrong.
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I didn't say he was inept, but he and the FBI did delay investigating at the top until after the J6 committee report and Jack was appointed after he found out how the midterm elections turned out. In any case the timing should work out for 24 with Trump tried and incarcerated before the election perhaps even before or during the primaries. The J6 committee told the public the story with its report, something the DOJ could not do until they indicted people, Jack has to fill in the details and prove it in court.
 
cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:

Let's talk about 35 more counts for Trump....
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I like how carefully he did not say New Jersey.

If charges related to the documents case are brought in a different venue, and if the Florida jury returns convictions, I wonder if that might motivate Judge “Loose” Cannon to abandon any plans of handing down an overly lenient sentence.
Imo that is a danger in Florida, since the judge has broad discretion in sentencing.

So (disclaimer: I know bubkes about criminal law) I think it is possible that an indictment on similar or cognate charges in a less sympathetic court might act as a safety against Lucy exercising questionable discretion, such as not sending that man to prison.

I’m biased here by a combo of ignorance and desire: I want to see that man sent at least to supermax for longer than he’ll still waste oxygen, and ideally to the Caribbean oubliette.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
I like how carefully he did not say New Jersey.

If charges related to the documents case are brought in a different venue, and if the Florida jury returns convictions, I wonder if that might motivate Judge “Loose” Cannon to abandon any plans of handing down an overly lenient sentence.
Imo that is a danger in Florida, since the judge has broad discretion in sentencing.

So (disclaimer: I know bubkes about criminal law) I think it is possible that an indictment on similar or cognate charges in a less sympathetic court might act as a safety against Lucy exercising questionable discretion, such as not sending that man to prison.

I’m biased here by a combo of ignorance and desire: I want to see that man sent at least to supermax for longer than he’ll still waste oxygen, and ideally to the Caribbean oubliette.
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New Jersey is our second most penis shaped state...Coincidence?....:shock:
 
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