True HP Aero For 2011

PetFlora said:

Absolutely. Aquathin ROs offer a booster pump option. BPs do 2 things:

1. Increased pressure above incoming water pressure increases production
2. Increased pressure helps membrane to reject more impurities producing lower ppm product water

If this is a DIY, you would also need a pressure switch/solenoid to control when the BP comes on/off.

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dickkhead said:

yea they ussualy include the ps and solenoid. im going to order it. thanks pf

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Mike Young said:

Hey Trichy, how's that pressure switch holdin up that you use? I need to get one, and am not all that thrilled about the square D price tag. Is it adjustable?

On another note... This is a funny picture. I really didn't have many hopes of this working, but I took a cut off my WW at harvest (dirt mom) and stuck it in my rig just to see if I could keep the strain alive. Seems to have worked. I'm amazed.

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Mike Young said:

Not much too look at. I'm not all that pleased with the strain. Its a stringy sativa. And, I neglected em for awhile. Think I got alot of kinks worked out over the past week. I've been spending so much time monitoring my roots, that I let other things slide. No more! My room is in the best shape its been in for awhile. Its crazy the amount of work a small room like mine can be.

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Trichy Bastard said:

I can't remember the name of it, but there is a certain type of self propelled booster that runs off an impeller, its supposed to really increase efficiancy, and is cheap, and uses no electricity. Oh yes, a permeate pump http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=permeate+pump&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&oe=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=12731042544997246949&sa=X&ei=FggTT8y5HaSkiQL_saXQDQ&ved=0CEQQ8wIwAA# check it out man, way cheaper/easier

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Trichy Bastard said:

The switch works flawlessly so far for me. I saw it somewhere going for 19 bucks recently! I think dickhead said his was spluttering, but hard to say if it was an installation error yet.

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PetFlora said:

MikeY: The mature clone info was very timely. I am care taking a lovely <2ft bush that is in ~mid-flower. Although the owner said I could take some clones, I did not think mature females would regenerate. I just took 2 (to root in my bubbler) and have my fingers crossed

Permeate Pump Info: http://www.purewaterproducts.com/permeatepump.htm A big plus it uses no electric as the solenoid/booster would require. Thanks TB

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dickkhead said:

Its crazy the amount of maintenance! Hours n hours!



I have that already on my system! But my issue is I want constant RO water! I'm only able to pull 2 gallons from the storage tank I ordered with the system. Will the Bp enable this?




ive heard pulling clones off at 21 days Is the best method and is called monster cropping!

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Trichy Bastard said:

Well, any r.o. system provides a constant stream unless the tank is full, the issue is that it's a tiny drizzle, if you drain your tank all the way, you can see the rate which it priduces water dripping out of the faucet. Water temps around 80 degrees, and water pressure around 90 psi will increase the output through the membrane so the flow is somewhat faster. Otherwise you need to get a high output system like Merlin produces I think 1/2 gallon per minute. Another option would be to get a larger storage tank such as a 50 gallon drum that the r.o. faucet drains into, it can make water all night and you'll have plenty of reserves without upgrading your system- I believe Cavadge did something similar in his thread.

Never heard of monster cropping, google here I come - do you have any particularly good links about it?

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Originally Posted by sagensour
So I rarely start threads but hear it goes.
Im not going to get into deatail on why we do this or why it works other then that our yeild has increased by 30-40% when done correctly. Enjoi

Monster cropping. One of my collegues and started trying this teq about two springs ago. We used a beautiful Purple pheno that weve been working for years now. Started here in bud indoor in a perfect enviroment, took some cuttings about 2 weeks into flower. Never really hit it with flower nutes though. When we made the clones, they had marble sizes buds on them. We went throught the cloning and hardnening off process to get them back outside. The end result of this was a large, very, very bushy Purple plant with no main stem. A shit load of branches and nodes though. I havent turned back outdoors and its all known as Monster Cropping.



Heres some pictures that I pasted from another site. I will get my pics soon, my outdoor are far from me so be patient.If anyone else has had good success to this, chime in please!

Monster Cropping​

Monster Cropping or Flowering Clones is another method of growing that was brought to my attention by one of our members; JWP, who also was kind enough to provide the pictures for this part of the guide. This method involves taking clones of flowering plants and then forcing them to root and re-veg, which eventually leads to very bushy plants with a great number of branches and nodes. I named this technique Monster Cropping because that is what you will get, real monster plants, but also because this method was introduced to the scene by a grower named greenmonster714. He in turn credits a grower named Feral for discovering this technique.

Taking clones from flowering plants goes against all that has been said about cloning cannabis and might therefore seem a bit confusing at first but the science behind the technique is sound and the results speak for themselves.​

You start by taking clones of a plant that is about 21 days into flowering. This seems to be the best time to do it but you can also takes clones at a later stage with the same results. The lower branches make better clones as they have not yet become rigid and will also root faster and more easily than say the top cola. Move the new cutting into a glass of water and let it sit for a while in order to make sure that no air gets into the vascular system during handling, as this can be fatal to your new plant. You should make the cut so that it runs along the stem as this will increase the surface area for water and possibly nutrient uptake, depending on what method of cloning you use. Personally, I have found that using a small hydroponic setup or apropagation bubbler is by far the best way to clone cannabis plants. I will not expand on the subject of cloning here, if you need more information on how to clone your plants, have a look at the official cloning thread by JJScorpio

In the picture below, you can see how the clone from a flowering plant been has placed in a propagation bubbler for rooting and re-vegging. This also means that you will have to put the clone back under a veg light schedule of 18/6, 20/4 or even 24/0. Clones do not need strong light so a small CFL will do. You can remove some of the buds at this stage in order to encourage the plant to revert back into its vegetative cycle but leave the topmost flower alone.

It will take several weeks for the clone to root, some never do, so it is best that you take a great number of clones at the same time in order to ensure that at least one makes it on to the next stage. It might be a good idea to place the clones inside a humidity dome, which can be bought at gardening stores or custom built for your specific needs. The high humidity inside the dome will make sure that the plants do not dry out and die. Ventilate the dome every day just to make sure that the plants don't get attacked by mold.

Keep in mind however that the most important thing when it comes to cloning is to provide the fresh cuttings with plenty of oxygen and that is why the propagation bubbler is so effective compared to other methods.

The clones might be a sad sight at first but as soon as they root, they will also revert back into the vegetative stage and start growing again. Once the clones have rooted properly and started growing again, they will put out single unserrated leaves at first but the normal leafs are soon to follow. It might be a good idea to apply some training at this stage, tying down some of the tops will encourage even more branching. You can also provide some heat underneath the clones as this will speed up the rooting process considerably.



When the plant starts growing again, the incredible branching power of the flowering clone becomes apparent.

As you can see, this plant has grown into a real monster, and all this without ever topping the plant. That's the beauty of this technique; you can forget all about topping and FIM'ing since the flowering clone will sprout all these new branches all by itself.

This plant is now perfectly suited for a SCROG or perhaps even a SOG grow. This one plant can easily fill up an entire Scrog net in no time. Several of these plants grown in SOG will definitely give you a grand harvest.

There are other benefits from using this technique; it also removes the need for keeping mother plants. When the newly re-vegged plant is flowered, it can also provide more clones for a perpetual harvest. Recycling at its best. This might be of interest to those who need to keep down their number of plants.

Needless to say, this method is highly effective thanks to the heavy branching that occurs after a flowering clone is re-vegged. With further training and some patience, you will get some real monster plants and thereby also a monster harvest.



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syder said:

how do you guys stableize your ph when its in a pressure tank?? if say temp is at about 20-25 C do I need to keep it at one stableized temp...FYI I got no idea what changes ph ..temp I guess..

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Trichy Bastard said:

haha temp has little to do with ph unless maybe at extremes. It's just acid/alkalinity. Your adjust the ph in your res with acids or alkalines (could even use vinegar or aspirin for acid and baking soda or silica for alkalinity in a bind), and it should remain stable inless you have some sort of issue somewhere. You gotta know this stuff before you go off and try to build an hpa man. If you really wanna go this route for your first experience in hydro, you have alot of reading and learning to do. You might even seriously consider doing an ebb/flow hydro setup for a couple runs first, as it's really cheap and simple to build, can give good results, and will give you a good foundation to move on to aero with. There is no shame though, we all started somewhere just like you, if you really study hard, I think you can go aero on your first try, but it will be tough as things move fast and it's not very forgiving. Learning to read your plants is the most important thing, and in aero you have to speed-read. I still have alot to learn in this category myself.

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syder said:

I know how to adjust ph...

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