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desert dude · Jul 12, 2012

londonfog said:
Dude you letting me know how clueless you are ...

Wanting Zimmerman to be guilty is no substitute for reality.

I have read this thread from the beginning. Buck went through every contortion imaginable, invented stories, denied that Zimmerman was injured, argued completely irrelevant points. It was amusing to read even though I felt embarrassment for Buck and several of his followers.

This doctored video is just another irrelevancy. As I, and Nodrama explained, it is easy to use your weak hand to draw a weapon from a holster positioned for cross-draw with your strong hand. It is obviously not your first choice, but I could do it with my eyes closed and my 17 year old son's knee on my chest.

The physical evidence speaks for itself.

NoDrama · Jul 12, 2012

londonfog said:
You can simple use a right hand holster..just put it on your left and cross-draw with your right...the butt faces forward..now try to draw with your left hand..you can do it but that gun is coming out upside down..Zimmy does not describe it that way.

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LOL you are trying SOOOOOO hard to make it look like Zimmer had his gun drawn on Martin from the get go. How did Zimm get his head bashed in if he had his gun drawn in the first place? LOl and Martin ran way? Please, if someone were chasing me and had their gun drawn and pointed at me, I don't stop running until I get home and If I have a phone I call 911 and let them know a deranged lunatic is trying to kill me, I don't continue to yack at my GF, then stop and go back to try and kill the guy with the gun when My only weapon is skittles. If your scenario held even a drop of water we can all assume Martin was one of the dumbest people alive and Zimm did a good thing getting that genetic defect off the face of the earth.

londonfog · Jul 12, 2012

NoDrama said:
LOL you are trying SOOOOOO hard to make it look like Zimmer had his gun drawn on Martin from the get go. How did Zimm get his head bashed in if he had his gun drawn in the first place? LOl and Martin ran way? Please, if someone were chasing me and had their gun drawn and pointed at me, I don't stop running until I get home and If I have a phone I call 911 and let them know a deranged lunatic is trying to kill me, I don't continue to yack at my GF, then stop and go back to try and kill the guy with the gun when My only weapon is skittles. If your scenario held even a drop of water we can all assume Martin was one of the dumbest people alive and Zimm did a good thing getting that genetic defect off the face of the earth.

say what you want...Zimm could not pull his gun out like he say. Trial should be very interesting.

NoDrama · Jul 12, 2012

londonfog said:
say what you want...Zimm could not pull his gun out like he say. Trial should be very interesting.

He couldn't ? I can. so unless you got some inside medical information that shows Zimmerman only has one arm, I would say you were wrong about that.
The trial will be interesting because no one is going to accuse him of pulling his gun out before he encountered Martin since eyewitnesses all say he didn't have a gun or they didn't see one until after they heard the shot. You go ahead and keep telling yourself he never pulled his gun but used his magic finger to shoot Trayvon instead. Ballistics match the gun I bet.

londonfog · Jul 12, 2012

NoDrama said:
He couldn't ? I can. so unless you got some inside medical information that shows Zimmerman only has one arm, I would say you were wrong about that.
The trial will be interesting because no one is going to accuse him of pulling his gun out before he encountered Martin since eyewitnesses all say he didn't have a gun or they didn't see one until after they heard the shot. You go ahead and keep telling yourself he never pulled his gun but used his magic finger to shoot Trayvon instead. Ballistics match the gun I bet.

Oh see thats were your confusion kicks in ...Never said he didn't pull his gun..we all know he did. I'm saying he didn't pull a butt forward holstered weapon like he claiming.

NoDrama · Jul 12, 2012

londonfog said:
Oh see thats were your confusion kicks in ...Never said he didn't pull his gun..we all know he did. I'm saying he didn't pull a butt forward holstered weapon like he claiming.

What does it matter how he pulled his gun, He DID pull it and he DID shoot it, you cannot refute that, no matter how many times you say he couldn't have, HE DID!!!

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2012

i'm thinking that gun came out sometime after martin got a hit or two on him in self defense. people being suffocated can't scream and those screams sound like they are coming from someone staring down the barrel of a gun.

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2012

NoDrama said:
and Martin ran way? Please, if someone were chasing me...I don't stop running until I get home...

considering zimmerman didn't even want martin to know where he lived, and since zimmerman was the aggressor and martin was the one who ran away, i would guess it would apply even more that martin didn't want zimm knowing where he lived.

ever going to come up with an explanation of what enraged martin so badly?

londonfog · Jul 12, 2012

NoDrama said:
What does it matter how he pulled his gun, He DID pull it and he DID shoot it, you cannot refute that, no matter how many times you say he couldn't have, HE DID!!!

I do agree he drew his weapon. I also agree he fired his weapon..I just disagree on how he said he fired it... so why the lie Zimmy ???

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desert dude · Jul 12, 2012

UncleBuck said:
i'm thinking that gun came out sometime after martin got a hit or two on him in self defense. people being suffocated can't scream and those screams sound like they are coming from someone staring down the barrel of a gun.

So, you are claiming that it was Trayvon screaming in terror for help? For 45 seconds? Not a mark on him except for the knuckles scraped off on Z's face?

You guys need a better story cause this one won't hunt.

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2012

desert dude said:
So, you are claiming that it was Trayvon screaming in terror for help? For 45 seconds? Not a mark on him except for the knuckles scraped off on Z's face?

You guys need a better story cause this one won't hunt.

you do realize that there is barely a scrape on martin's knuckles and it is nowhere near consistent with the 25-30 blows that zimm claims martin landed, right?

i mean, i know you're dumb, but you can't be this dumb, it has to be that you are simply uninformed.

UncleBuck · Jul 12, 2012

and yes, there is every reason to believe that it was martin screaming. you can't scream when someone is suffocating you. try it!

londonfog · Jul 12, 2012

desert dude said:
Wanting Zimmerman to be guilty is no substitute for reality.

I have read this thread from the beginning. Buck went through every contortion imaginable, invented stories, denied that Zimmerman was injured, argued completely irrelevant points. It was amusing to read even though I felt embarrassment for Buck and several of his followers.

This doctored video is just another irrelevancy. As I, and Nodrama explained, it is easy to use your weak hand to draw a weapon from a holster positioned for cross-draw with your strong hand. It is obviously not your first choice, but I could do it with my eyes closed and my 17 year old son's knee on my chest.

The physical evidence speaks for itself.

Question for YOU...
If you have a left handed holster and wear your holster on the right which way is the butt of the gun ????

cannabineer · Jul 12, 2012

londonfog said:
Question for YOU...
If you have a left handed holster and wear your holster on the right which way is the butt of the gun ????

Allow me to ask for clarification:
do you mean a holster for a left-hand draw, or one for the left side of the body? (If the former ... crossdraw; butt forward.) cn

londonfog · Jul 12, 2012

cannabineer said:
Allow me to ask for clarification:
do you mean a holster for a left-hand draw, or one for the left side of the body? (If the former ... crossdraw; butt forward.) cn

For a left hand draw sir..Zimmerman is left handed..

Butt forward is correct...so how did he draw with his right like he say ???? That's all I'm asking.

NoDrama · Jul 12, 2012

UncleBuck said:
i'm thinking that gun came out sometime after martin got a hit or two on him in self defense. people being suffocated can't scream and those screams sound like they are coming from someone staring down the barrel of a gun.

It isn't self defense when you are the initial attacker bub. It's called assault.

NoDrama · Jul 12, 2012

UncleBuck said:
and yes, there is every reason to believe that it was martin screaming. you can't scream when someone is suffocating you. try it!

I tried it, my throat is scratchy , but now the kids and GF are up, so it's totally doable and I knew for sure my assailant wasn't going to actually kill me so I wasn't even trying that hard.

cannabineer · Jul 12, 2012

londonfog said:
For a left hand draw sir..Zimmerman is left handed..

Butt forward is correct...so how did he draw with his right like he say ???? That's all I'm asking.

My guess is "clumsily". If it were mine to do, I'd rotate my hand palm-out, thumb coming inside, and get a usable grip on the gun. Those Kel Tecs are chunky things. cn

cannabineer · Jul 12, 2012

NoDrama said:
I tried it, my throat is scratchy , but now the kids and GF are up, so it's totally doable and I knew for sure my assailant wasn't going to actually kill me so I wasn't even trying that hard.

Who assisted you? It's all about ergonomics.

cn

NoDrama · Jul 12, 2012

londonfog said:
For a left hand draw sir..Zimmerman is left handed..

Butt forward is correct...so how did he draw with his right like he say ???? That's all I'm asking.

Oh london, what if he didn't draw it out exactly as he described? So FUCKING WHAT? It changes NOTHING!!! You can't expect someone in the heat of the moment to have total recall of the situation, parts of the brain are turned off during fight or flight situations, ask anyone who knows some psychology.

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