trayvan martin

UncleBuck said:

well if papa zimmerman said it, it MUST be true!

disregard every single eyewitness who saw it, they are all dumb. only papa zimmerman can be trusted.

disregard the eyewitnesses (multiple) that saw zimmerman get up, looking uninjured but worried, and WALK OVER TO the sidewalk.

the only thing that matters is papa zimmerman!

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Trayvons dad said it not zimmys.And where are the multiple eyewitnesses? there is 1 named mary cutcher that has changed her story several times now.Highly unreliable.

So much for the "papa Zimmerman" rant, lol.

cliffey501 said:

Trayvons dad said it not zimmys.And where are the multiple eyewitnesses? there is 1 named mary cutcher that has changed her story several times now.Highly unreliable.

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lol, mary cutcher has never changed her story.

the cops tried to "correct" her report, however.

the other eyewitness who saw zimmerman get up off martin was on anderson cooper and said zimm appeared worried but uninjured and walked over to the sidewalk.

just to reiterate the known facts, no one who saw any part of the scuffle said any of it took place on the sidewalk at any point, but they ALL say that whatever part of the scuffle they did see, happened in the grass.

Gyroscope said:

So much for the "papa Zimmerman" rant, lol.

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fuck me with a butter knife, i misread. it happens.

Harrekin said:

And we don't know what happened in the middle of the story, are you saying anyone who's ever unwittingly brought an unexpected shitstorm upon themselves is guilty of causing it?

I blame retarded gun laws, but that's just me.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game"

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Goodness no. I don't see how you could conclude that from what I wrote. Imo gun laws aren't at the heart of it ... doing mean/dumb things with guns is uniformly and seriously unlawful. I do agree we don't know what happened in the middle of the story. One of the few things I do know about this sad stupid event is that it could have been kept from happening by Z simply not having a hard-on to chase the shadowy figure we all now know was Trayvon. Gun laws don't have owt to do with that. cn

UncleBuck said:

lol, mary cutcher has never changed her story.

the cops tried to "correct" her report, however.

the other eyewitness who saw zimmerman get up off martin was on anderson cooper and said zimm appeared worried but uninjured and walked over to the sidewalk.

just to reiterate the known facts, no one who saw any part of the scuffle said any of it took place on the sidewalk at any point, but they ALL say that whatever part of the scuffle they did see, happened in the grass.

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You make shit up buck.The witness on cnn said it was too dark to see if he had blood on his face.That is also the witness that i pointed out earlier that called 911 number 7 on the 911 call list.She doesn't report anything she said on cnn to 911 dispatchers.She does sat that she couldn't see much and that she "wishes there was something she could have done".So if the scuffle didn't happen on the side walk how did trayvons feet end up on the sidewalk?

cliffey501 said:

You make shit up buck.The witness on cnn said it was too dark to see if he had blood on his face.That is also the witness that i pointed out earlier that called 911 number 7 on the 911 call list.She doesn't report anything she said on cnn to 911 dispatchers.She does sat that she couldn't see much and that she "wishes there was something she could have done".So if the scuffle didn't happen on the side walk how did trayvons feet end up on the sidewalk?

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The White/Brown Conspiracy Alliance Team moved the body, obviously.

Whites and Browns naturally hate Blacks, everyone hates Blacks, everyone knows that too. Black people can't be racist or do any wrong.

cliffey501 said:

You make shit up buck.The witness on cnn said it was too dark to see if he had blood on his face.That is also the witness that i pointed out earlier that called 911 number 7 on the 911 call list.She doesn't report anything she said on cnn to 911 dispatchers.She does sat that she couldn't see much and that she "wishes there was something she could have done".So if the scuffle didn't happen on the side walk how did trayvons feet end up on the sidewalk?

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lol.

she couldn't see blood on his face, but she said he appeared worried but uninjured. the two are not incompatible, genius.

martin's parents weren't there, so we don't know if his feet were on the sidewalk now, do we?

and for your edification, the witness was anonymous and there is no way to know which caller she was, shit bird.

it's that subpar canadian education system you should be directing your rage at, cliffey boy.

Harrekin said:

persistent race baiting

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when you have nothing intelligent to say, race bait!

UncleBuck said:

when you have nothing intelligent to say, race bait!

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As far as I see it, one guy stupidly shot another guy, YOU are the one who keeps implying its some kind of racist conspiracy. I'm merely making fun of your bat-shit crazy tin-foil hat wearing ways here by making satire of your "conspiracy".

I see people, you see colour Bucky-boy...therefore how is it I'm race baiting? You're the one who heard "coon" when everyone else heard a garble

Harrekin said:

As far as I see it, one guy stupidly shot another guy, YOU are the one who keeps implying its some kind of racist conspiracy. I'm merely making fun of your bat-shit crazy tin-foil hat wearing ways here by making satire of your "conspiracy".

I see people, you see colour Bucky-boy...therefore how is it I'm race baiting? You're the one who heard "coon" when everyone else heard a garble

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everyone else?

LOL!

i'm not so stupid as to assert that i'm the only one who heard "fucking coons".

i have kept race out of this. note the first few pages of the thread. nowhere did i bring race into this. that was your excellence.

and where did i imply a conspiracy? all i did was list facts about wolfinger and his conflict of interest, papa zimmerman, the history of the sanford PD, and so on. i implied that something may be rotten in denmark, i never asserted that there was.

the real idiots here are the ones who refuse to acknowledge that race and connections could possibly play some sort of role. that is naivete or idiocy, one of the two.

UncleBuck said:

lol.

she couldn't see blood on his face, but she said he appeared worried but uninjured. the two are not incompatible, genius.

martin's parents weren't there, so we don't know if his feet were on the sidewalk now, do we?

and for your edification, the witness was anonymous and there is no way to know which caller she was, shit bird.

it's that subpar canadian education system you should be directing your rage at, cliffey boy.

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They tried to keep her anonymous but they didnt do a very good job.She has done 2 interviews now.The first the tried to disguise her voice as a man.Note the dog walking reference.

At first I heard the voices with my window closed. And pretty much in that area, people walk their dogs, and you’ll hear people talking, and you can hear them very clearly even when they’re not talking loud. So I thought it was rather loud, but I had just shut my window (because it started raining) … and I thought, oh my gosh who’s out there walking their dog in the rain? And I didn’t look. And then I did something else, and then I heard the loud voices again, and then I thought, well, let me see who that is. And I opened up my window … and it definitely was a very loud, predominant voice. I couldn’t hear the words, but I was like, okay this is not a regular conversation. This is someone aggressively, you know, yelling at someone.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/new-trayvon-martin-witness-speaks-to-anderson-cooper-about-night-of-shooting/

Now listen to the 911 call.She says the exact same thing at the 5:30 mark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Martin_Shooting_Call7.ogg

cliffey501 said:

They tried to keep her anonymous but they didnt do a very good job.She has done 2 interviews now.The first the tried to disguise her voice as a man.Note the dog walking reference.

At first I heard the voices with my window closed. And pretty much in that area, people walk their dogs, and you’ll hear people talking, and you can hear them very clearly even when they’re not talking loud. So I thought it was rather loud, but I had just shut my window (because it started raining) … and I thought, oh my gosh who’s out there walking their dog in the rain? And I didn’t look. And then I did something else, and then I heard the loud voices again, and then I thought, well, let me see who that is. And I opened up my window … and it definitely was a very loud, predominant voice. I couldn’t hear the words, but I was like, okay this is not a regular conversation. This is someone aggressively, you know, yelling at someone.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/new-trayvon-martin-witness-speaks-to-anderson-cooper-about-night-of-shooting/

Now listen to the 911 call.She says the exact same thing at the 5:30 mark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Martin_Shooting_Call7.ogg

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you're a junior gumshoe just like i am marie of romania.

cliffey501 said:

They tried to keep her anonymous but they didnt do a very good job.She has done 2 interviews now.The first the tried to disguise her voice as a man.Note the dog walking reference.

At first I heard the voices with my window closed. And pretty much in that area, people walk their dogs, and you’ll hear people talking, and you can hear them very clearly even when they’re not talking loud. So I thought it was rather loud, but I had just shut my window (because it started raining) … and I thought, oh my gosh who’s out there walking their dog in the rain? And I didn’t look. And then I did something else, and then I heard the loud voices again, and then I thought, well, let me see who that is. And I opened up my window … and it definitely was a very loud, predominant voice. I couldn’t hear the words, but I was like, okay this is not a regular conversation. This is someone aggressively, you know, yelling at someone.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/new-trayvon-martin-witness-speaks-to-anderson-cooper-about-night-of-shooting/

Now listen to the 911 call.She says the exact same thing at the 5:30 mark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Martin_Shooting_Call7.ogg

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you're a junior gumshoe just like i am marie of romania.

not sure how you can say race was not an issue?

if martin is white ....he is not followed,confronted or shot
if martin is white ... zimm is arrested at the scene
if martin is white ... zimm does not call 911 to report a suspicious person

UncleBuck said:

you make it sound like zimmerboy inadvertently followed martin, when in all reality he stalked him. big difference, you know.

i feel threatened in no way when i am walking to the store and there is someone walking behind me, but if someone follows me in their truck and then gets out and follows me on foot away from the road, i will feel threatened.



when did i say he was supposed to know this?

i simply pointed out that given zimmerboy's violent and temper-ridden history, it is more likely that he was the one who started the scuffle, especially after we hear him on the phone cussing about martin for the crime of walking home with some candy.

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Ok, but my point stands. If someone is following you, and you feel threatened, do you have a right to attack that person? I think you're missing my point. I'm not defending Zimmerman. I wasn't there and didn't witness what happened, so I will reserve judgement. My point was that nobody has a right to "defend" themselves from someone who is following them. It's not a justification to invoke self defense. If one were to feel threatened by this, they have a number of options available to them (legal options that is); 1. get to a well lit place with a lot of people. 2. call the po-po. 3. try to get away from the person following you. What you can't (legally) do; attack them first!!!!! Now, I don't know if Trayvon attacked Zimmerman first or not.....I wasn't there, so I will reserve judgement. Your assumption that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon first is using faulty logic. Simply because a person may have an arrest or criminal record does not make it "more likely" that they attacked someone first. My Grandmother has a "criminal record" but she doesn't go around attacking people. lol!

martin did try to flee that d bag

UncleBuck said:

and get some new reagan quotes, doc. i'll suggest a few...

"i raised taxes several times and gave amnesty to illegal immigrants!"

"nancy, i pooped myself and the cat is on fire and playing the piano"

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UncleBuck said:

when you have nothing intelligent to say, race bait!

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.....or you could just Reagan bait.

Corso312 said:

martin did try to flee that d bag

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More assumptions? You were there? How is it that nobody really knows what happened (hence all the controversy and debate) yet we've got people here who talk like they witnessed the whole thing? lmfao!!!!!! Nice try!

cliffey501 said:

They tried to keep her anonymous but they didnt do a very good job.She has done 2 interviews now.The first the tried to disguise her voice as a man.Note the dog walking reference.

At first I heard the voices with my window closed. And pretty much in that area, people walk their dogs, and you’ll hear people talking, and you can hear them very clearly even when they’re not talking loud. So I thought it was rather loud, but I had just shut my window (because it started raining) … and I thought, oh my gosh who’s out there walking their dog in the rain? And I didn’t look. And then I did something else, and then I heard the loud voices again, and then I thought, well, let me see who that is. And I opened up my window … and it definitely was a very loud, predominant voice. I couldn’t hear the words, but I was like, okay this is not a regular conversation. This is someone aggressively, you know, yelling at someone.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/new-trayvon-martin-witness-speaks-to-anderson-cooper-about-night-of-shooting/

Now listen to the 911 call.She says the exact same thing at the 5:30 mark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Martin_Shooting_Call7.ogg

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I'm a little unclear what significance the dog walking reference represents. Is it just verification that it's the same witness?

If (if) Trayvan's body was found with his feet on the sidewalk as his father revealed he was told it was, I'd say that adds a little credibility to Zimmerman's story. It also negates about 50 pages of this thread. It doesn't prove anything towards vindicating Zimmerman, but if it's factual, it shows just one of the holes in the arguments of the folks who are so sure he's lying.

@London, you can keep repeating the outright lie that Zimmerman was told not to follow Trayvan, but by now EVERYONE knows he wasn't, legally or otherwise.