TORR POWER SAVING VEG METHOD

RangiSTaxi said:

hope so haha

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best of luck - had to use wire on my Malawis to undo the supercropping - they wouldnt have recovered if not straightened the stem again.... bitchy landrace XD

@RangiSTaxi had a nice view on your city from the top of the mountain north looks like a nice place to be, indeed

NZ:

wonderful - calmly untouched nature.

Cheers Mate, yeah its a nice country, just leave the cities like Auckland on landing a.s.a.p in my opinion,a city is just another city after all,.

Lots to see rural,countryside, North island and the South island of New Zealand are very different landscapes with different climates, so if your visiting you should see both islands, this can be done within 2-3 weeks, but best if you allow 5..

I recommend coming in Spring, summer.

A great thing about New Zealand is you can see many different landscapes like Coromandel and different geography without driving very far, a hour drive and your in a different landscape, from flat to hilly, open wide grassy meadows in areas of the waikato full of green grass in the north island to hilly steep country full of sheep in the south island , vast beaches, some with Black sand some with golden white sand, some covered with interesting Drift wood, or round rocks, or small colorful pebbles or shells, and some open with just sand for miles, Like 90 Mile Beach, snow for skiing in winter , steamy geothermal areas with mud pools and steam , like hells gate in Rotorua, Rototua amazing deep underground caves with glow worms, CAVES NZ.

We have some of the best soils and climates in the world , so we grow Avocados, Wine Grapes in Napier, Hastings & Kiwifruit, in the bay of plenty, apples and stone fruits..... there is lots of seasonal work picking fruit for those who want it, its not hard for backpackers to find work in horticulture in NZ, huge demand for workers. ....strawberries and many fields of grains and beer hops, these you will see as you travel the different areas and the 2 islands, there are car ferries to get between the 2 islands, or you can fly via regional airports, great fishing salt water and fresh water, fishing charter cruises, great trout fishing or Dolphin and Whale watching.

Lots of native bush and walks, lots of volcanoes to climb too like Ngauruhoe and Tongariro.

The Emerald Lakes Tongariro , ....Lake .

Ive climbed these mountains many times in Summer and once in winter, recommend summer only haha.

I live in the Bay of Plenty in the North Island and its a great place to live, great moderate climate of NEW ZEALAND
(everything in bold font is a link to pictures via google images, New Zealand maybe a place to consider visiting after covid19 is done and dusted, hit me up for a beer if your over here)

Nice write up RangiSTaxi,

if I ever set my feet onto these grounds I would surely bring some german beer specialties with me.

Have you heard of this famous honey coming from NZ "Manuka"?

Kassiopeija said:

Nice write up RangiSTaxi,

if I ever set my feet onto these grounds I would surely bring some german beer specialties with me.

Have you heard of this famous honey coming from NZ "Manuka"?

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Yes we have heaps of bee keepers in my area producing Manuka leptospermum scoparium honey, many bee keepers in all parts of the country, its a native wild plant here in NZ, once most of NZ was covered in it, but a lot was cut away for Dairy farming 100 years ago to create farm land, but its still the dominant weed plant of estuarys and many deep untouched valleys through out nz and is now highly sort after by bee keepers for the value and health benefits of the honey via , manuka... leptospermum scoparium... most is exported though, its a bit too expensive for the locals of nz to buy. Just like our meat and cheese , all the best NZ meat and cheese is exported to other countries as its too expensive for the locals.. p.s i love german beer and buy it here, often.

RangiSTaxi said:

its a bit too expensive for the locals of nz to buy.

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for me, too. Actually I could afford it occassionaly, but then there are so many stories about fraud...

ever got the chance to drink a black or old type of beer? its more malty & sweet, unlike the polished new way to brew (Export or Pils).
Actually the Englishmen have nice black ale, too - a bit more bitter ones...
Then there's Kölsch...

Kassiopeija said:

for me, too. Actually I could afford it occassionaly, but then there are so many stories about fraud...

ever got the chance to drink a black or old type of beer? its more malty & sweet, unlike the polished new way to brew (Export or Pils).
Actually the Englishmen have nice black ale, too - a bit more bitter ones...
Then there's Kölsch...

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Cant say I have tried those, I do brew my own beer and wine ocassionally, Im drinking Home made vodka at the moment and its great.

Distilling home made spirits here in NZ is legal and my vodka comes out of the still at 92 %

Great quality, clean pure flavor.
I dilute it down to 42% ofcourse, here in NZ we have flavours we can add to the vodka to turn it into whiskey or rum or make liqueurs etc

Its very cheap to make, just ferment 6 kg- 8 of sugar with a packet of yeast in 25 litres of water and distil it, and I can make 6 plus litres of great tasting spirits @ 42% for the cost of 6-7kgs of sugar, in under 10 days..

Just add the flavoring to the vodka and you have home made whiskey for about $10 NZD a bottle $6 USD

My Reflux still

https://copperheadstill.co.nz/product/copperhead-reflux-still-copperhead-reflux-still/

how often do you need to run it through to get it that high? I never could drink liquor (liquor or stronger) and enjoy it - just too bitter...

by chance you have Japanese Hops over there?

Kassiopeija said:

how often do you need to run it through to get it that high? I never could drink liquor (liquor or stronger) and enjoy it - just too bitter...

by chance you have Japanese Hops over there?

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just distill once , one run to get 92% in this re-flux still 25 liters is distilled to 92% in about a hour or 2, it takes 45 minutes to a hour for the still to heat up the 25 liters of wash, then it doesn't take long, the quality is so high far better than shop purchased vodka, you don't need to use carbon to filter for taste in this still, its very pure taste no other flavors, you can dilute it as much as you like, you could dilute to 10% and add 50% mixer lemonade/coca cola etc and would only be as strong as a beer. The choice is yours how strong you want the alcohol. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure we could get those jap hops here, there is basically nothing you cant get in NZ, we can always order from overseas if we cant find something locally.
The reason you want alcohol to come out the still as high as possible, for vodka anyway, is its purer and leaves the fermentation flavors behind, lower the alcohol more bad flavors you can get, 92% is miles better than 82 %, afterward you dilute 92% vodka with water to desired strength.
after fermentation with https://stillspirits.com/products/fast-turbo-yeast?_pos=3&_sid=f9f1a8f73&_ss=r You can use https://stillspirits.com/products/turbo-clear to remove the Yeast from the 25 liter yeast/sugar wash, this improves flavor, you do this before distilling.you want a clear wash free of yeast before distilling for best clean flavor, but at 92% even cloudy wash with yeast comes out perfectly fine without using turbo clear, but its best to use turbo clear.

yeah the TM of Vodka is its always clean & pure. Although the other liquor "brands" whiskey etc basically use the "bad taste" or fermentation as a base to distinguish their product.

this Jap. Hops seems to be more "close" related to Cannabis - Ive been hearing rumours one can graft both together...
this guy claims to have created some new Can varieties with it

Kassiopeija said:

yeah the TM of Vodka is its always clean & pure. Although the other liquor "brands" whiskey etc basically use the "bad taste" or fermentation as a base to distinguish their product.

this Jap. Hops seems to be more "close" related to Cannabis - Ive been hearing rumours one can graft both together...
this guy claims to have created some new Can varieties with it

Kalyseeds

kalyseeds.eu

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Very True making whiskey the traditional way you use a Pot still not a Reflux still, and it is a big process and takes years, and after all the work your whiskey could be crap anyway, I just cheat and just use whiskey / Rum flavoring in nice clean vodka instead. Much Less hangovers with vodka and flavorings too.

Oh Ive heard that rumour, its been around since i was 15 , and I did try that 15-20 years ago, Grafting cannabis plant to hops, I tried and couldn't make it work,zero success but my skills and knowledge were much lower then however, now I just think the whole thing was just a age old wisetale and should it work I dont see the point now anyway, Id say its impossible.

p.s that canabis variety in your link is a ducksfoot cannabis strain (been around forever). nothing new and nothing to do with grafting cannabis to hops.
cannabis duckfoot strain cant read german but looks bullshit.



The Rootstock, can not affect the grafted Scion genetics , so its photo fabrication bullshit, its a duck foot strain and they have altered a few pics to try fool you, its fake.

Hope that clears that up for you.

RangiSTaxi said:

Very True making whiskey the traditional way you use a Pot still not a Reflux still, and it is a big process and takes years, and after all the work your whiskey could be crap anyway, I just cheat and just use whiskey / Rum flavoring in nice clean vodka instead. Much Less hangovers with vodka and flavorings too.

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LMAO I like your honesty here... and true, wodka gives less headache, guess wine or champus is worst... you see, there are many different types of alcohol, methanol propanol butanol and these may cause problems...

RangiSTaxi said:

Oh Ive heard that rumour, its been around since i was 15 , and I did try that 15-20 years ago, Grafting cannabis plant to hops, I tried and couldn't make it work,zero success but my skills and knowledge were much lower then however, now I just think the whole thing was just a age old wisetale and should it work I dont see the point now anyway.

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Kaly claims it can only be done with Japanese Hops. The advantage could be, to grow Cannabis grafted at the tops of Hops, disguised in a Hops field.
Hops gets so tall you may not notice it if its somewhere in the middle.
But more like something to play around with it J4F

Kassiopeija said:

Kaly claims it can only be done with Japanese Hops.

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'A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.'

Kassiopeija said:

The advantage could be, to grow Cannabis grafted at the tops of Hops, disguised in a Hops field.
Hops gets so tall you may not notice it if its somewhere in the middle.

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Yeah , lol , reminds me of Jack and the Bean stalk
Maybe if asked nicely the giant will pick and trim the weed for you too

Kassiopeija said:

The advantage could be, to grow Cannabis grafted at the tops of Hops, disguised in a Hops field.
Hops gets so tall you may not notice it if its somewhere in the middle.

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lol Must admit that thought has probably crossed many minds over the decades...

RangiSTaxi said:

A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.'

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its the Cannabis biz - too much € involved and that attracts all sorts of shady "business" ppl.
I think Kalys seeds are either derived from DucksFoot, ABC or just mutated Hops (observe the white loss of color at some leaves...?) that loss of chlorophyl can happen to many plants...

RangiSTaxi said:

lol Must admit that thought has probably crossed many minds over the decades...

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indeed and outdoor grows are his target client for he breeds to develop Cannabis "deceiver/disguiser" plants (which just dont look like ordinairy MJ so they should be safer for "guerilla" grows...)

NZ must have alot of free wilderness, wouldnt that be reasonably for you to do an Auto outdoor run each summer?

Kassiopeija said:

its the Cannabis biz - too much € involved and that attracts all sorts of shady "business" ppl.
I think Kalys seeds are either derived from DucksFoot, ABC or just mutated Hops (observe the white loss of color at some leaves...?) that loss of chlorophyl can happen to many plants...


indeed and outdoor grows are his target client for he breeds to develop Cannabis "deceiver/disguiser" plants (which just dont look like ordinairy MJ so they should be safer for "guerilla" grows...)

NZ must have alot of free wilderness, wouldnt that be reasonably for you to do an Auto outdoor run each summer?

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Yeah Nah, Outdoors is difficult anywhere. been there done that, Ill leave it to the youngsters with more energy.
I could write a list why, but this forum doesn't have enough pages and i dont want to crash the server.

Besides Im already flat out Managing 16 Hectares of Horticultural crop already, I wouldn't have the time and I dont have the need..

Ive been doing tree-hide @ 1200m altitude some years ago, far up at a mountain top plateau the plants had an immensely shining sun... some Indicas developed 13-fingered leaves thereof...

But man, that was work. Had to carry water the last 200m uphill because there was no road...

But usually, when just planted in good soil, its most easy outdoors. and cheap.

what are you paying per kWh down over there? here its 0.32€/kWh....[!]

The attached .pdf holds some valuable info about the differences of UV/blue light versus red-light.

It especially states what's been hinted before - that UV/blue is responsible for the "day time measurement" (cryptochromes & zeitlupes)

Kassiopeija said:

The attached .pdf holds some valuable info about the differences of UV/blue light versus red-light.

It especially states what's been hinted before - that UV/blue is responsible for the "day time measurement" (cryptochromes & zeitlupes)

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Great post mate, great conclusion to explain how and why the Torr method works flowering with 24 hours of light with photoperiod seeds using 12 hours of blue light and 12 hours of red light.
blue light is responsible for the "day time measurement , the lack of blue light hours triggers flowering even when there is 12 hours of red light in what would otherwise would be the dark period.
So 24 hours of light with photoperiod seeds can be used to flower photoperiod seeds.
Cheers for the great research.

From 4 plants above pic ...To This below, 3 plants left after Hermie plant ,Destroyed, and removed

The Plants survived the bend down and heavy defoliate after the Hermie plant was removed and destroyed (top left corner) and the remaining 3 plants bent down to fill in the space of the removed plant.

6 days later (pic below) Certainly a big set back however for the Geleto #33 from Advanced seeds, but I expect them to pick up in the next week.
I also found them to be bone dry during the last 6 days, this hasn't helped the recovery, my bad.


I have also harvested the last Torr Method tent ill do, and replaced them with the Cookies Gelato fem seeds from royal queen seeds, germinated seedlings a week ago, they were transplanted (too soon) with a poor unestablished root system, we will see how they go, i expect a slow start..

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