Topping/LST

Fresh 2 De@th said:

looks good. are they both in the bloom stage?

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The KK as just started to bloom but the auto well you can tell by the pics

Fresh 2 De@th said:

yes i will and just cause a plant is growing doesn't mean that's being grown right. shit as you can see, everyone grow's but not everyone is effective at growing, that's why there are so many help threads on this site as it is. so you said that to say what?

and 3 nodes or less, lol? you got to be kidding me. as much as you may hate to believe it, but your post was just a waste of bandwidth and space. ironically, i could imagine all the noobs here taking in what you say as if it was gospel. unless there was a lot of unnecessary stretch (stress) between them 3 nodes or even worst 2 nodes, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to lst 3 or less nodes.

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Actually your wasting your time what does it matter if you start at 3 nodes? You still haven't proved anything other than thats the way you LST...Don't listen to this window licker, most people don't even veg for 5 weeks...usually just a month.

You can LST at any point you think your plant is healthy enough to handle the stress and yes i've done it at 2 nodes and it grew the same as any plant that would be LSTed at 4 weeks...i never said it was necessary to do it this young seeing as you'd still be getting good light coverage

if your grow space is small you will want to LST by the 3rd node or your plant may outgrow its habitat...if you're gonna call me out have evidence to back it....i wish i still had pics of that plant so i could show you what a dumby you are

robert030188 said:

Actually your wasting your time what does it matter if you start at 3 nodes? You still haven't proved anything other than thats the way you LST...Don't listen to this window licker, most people don't even veg for 5 weeks...usually just a month.

You can LST at any point you think your plant is healthy enough to handle the stress and yes i've done it at 2 nodes and it grew the same as any plant that would be LSTed at 4 weeks...i never said it was necessary to do it this young seeing as you'd still be getting good light coverage

if your grow space is small you will want to LST by the 3rd node or your plant may outgrow its habitat...if you're gonna call me out have evidence to back it....i wish i still had pics of that plant so i could show you what a dumby you are

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nah your the dummy, and only on riu could one even suggest such a dumb thing. you talk about restrictions, what height restrictions are you facing that requires you to lst at 3 nodes? oh let me guess, 10". only thing you're going to do is stunt that poor seedlings growth.
put it like this, lets go to a few other boards and post a thread asking is it any good to start lsting on the 2nd or 3rd node and see what kind of answers we get, that's how confident i am about how much you're passing on bad advise. like i said, just because someone grows a plant doesn't mean he/she is doing it correctly. i am far from the best but definitely use or try to use my common sense to guide me when mis or bad info is given out such as what you recommended.

lycanhall said:

The KK as just started to bloom but the auto well you can tell by the pics

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tbh, in flower you want some stretch and if i had any advise to pass on it would be just pinch here and there to even canopy. depending on skill level i would remove some of the larger fan leaves that's blocking light during certain stages of flower. besides that, from the pics, your plants are looking very healthy and tight noded atm to consider any training.

the only time ive pulled leaves of a plant is one they are yellow, the KK seems ok to me but the auto all the leaves are so bunch up scared in case i cut a bud or two lol,
but i do appreciate all the help, some i will use some i wont,
but i am thinking of adding a couple more lights for the auto as ive got to keep rising the light cos of the KK

K whatever you say bro...only the way of Fresh 2 Death is correct cuz he's experimented on every subject...alright im out, good luck with your plants lycanhall

Oh and actually your only supposed to defoliate twice during flower once about 20 days in and once about 46 days...and with an auto you shouldn't defoliate at all really...alright later

robert030188 said:

Oh and actually your only supposed to defoliate twice during flower once about 20 days in and once about 46 days...and with an auto you shouldn't defoliate at all really...alright later

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thanks for that info on the auto Robert, glad i can leave it alone.
later on tonight will add a pic of the KK, would like some advise on which leaves to remove.

one question, my old man use to add polystyrene balls to the soil, any idea why?

lycanhall said:

thanks for that info on the auto Robert, glad i can leave it alone.
later on tonight will add a pic of the KK, would like some advise on which leaves to remove.

one question, my old man use to add polystyrene balls to the soil, any idea why?

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The only time you should pull leaves off is if their yellowing or dieing....and the polystyrene balls would really have no meaning they just absorb water and puff up

For regular plants you want to remove enough foliage from the canopy so that light reaches the bottom...look up some defoliation videos on the web they'll tell you what you need to know

robert030188 said:

Oh and actually your only supposed to defoliate twice during flower once about 20 days in and once about 46 days...and with an auto you shouldn't defoliate at all really...alright later

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lol, was that suppose to be a shot at me? you're too funny. but know that you have mention it, yes, i have been experimenting plenty since i started growing, never conforming to a lot of the in the box thinking/textbook way of growing that you are so accustomed to. why you quote and regurgitate what you heard, i have actually tried and applied as many methods that have been consider to most to be within the lines of so called proper way of growing and outside of the of norm or what you heard.
for instance,

robert030188 said:

The only time you should pull leaves off is if their yellowing or dieing....

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Really, says who?
see the difference between me and you is, that is what you've heard and this is what i know to be bs especially on your part.
there are countless thread on defoliating that have proven the total opposite of what you heard, if you need me to pull up threads i will more than likely do so. as far as i am concerned, this is just another attempt on your behalf to mislead another grower on something that you have heard and more than likely have not tried yourself, but yet you talk as if it is gospel.
tbh, i wouldn't recommend it to a fairly new grower, that's why i said depending on skill level, but if one decides or feels he is at that level, try it, because it does work when its done right. how i know you may ask? simple, because others and myself are living testament of such practices.

here are a couple of plants that have been defoliated and will continue to until they've finished their life cycle.

the key is to start while they're young and pick some off here and there, mainly the big leaves (sun blockers) that comes from off the main stem.10 to 14 days from flip, if you decide to, do your big pruning job than put into flower. after you're in flower, just take off what's blocking the light from reaching the bottom and you should be straight.

another tip for you, is if you plan on lsting textbook style, it is recommended that you prune one side to allow light to reach the other half that's facing towards the pot. so if you look at it, you're pruning no matter what the leaves look like. see what im saying Roberto, you are a total contradiction of what you preach, so lets stop passing out misleading info and lets get on the right track buddy.

too many growers out there going by some book or what they've heard and totally disregard common sense, which in return only confuses us newbies and not help the situation or make it any easier.

If you read what i said Fresh he is talking about an auto and no nothing directed toward you...and just because it worked for you, doesn't mean it works best...but anyway do what you do player, we all grow and have different methods and sometimes its just not worth arguing...well im out, gonna smoke a bowl of Fire OG and chill....later

And its not from what i read Fresh, its what i do also...reading is only half the procedure experimenting is the second half...

robert030188 said:

If you read what i said Fresh he is talking about an auto and no nothing directed toward you...and just because it worked for you, doesn't mean it works best...but anyway do what you do player, we all grow and have different methods and sometimes its just not worth arguing...well im out, gonna smoke a bowl of Fire OG and chill....later

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robert030188 said:

And its not from what i read Fresh, its what i do also...reading is only half the procedure experimenting is the second half...

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robert030188 said:

K whatever you say bro...only the way of Fresh 2 Death is correct cuz he's experimented on every subject...alright im out, good luck with your plants lycanhall[/QUOTE
this is what i meant to quote and really wasn't too sure what you meant by it. could go either way, so

you are absolutely right, and please forgive me for my demeanor towards you. i feel sometimes you have to be aggressive on these boards (more so here than anywhere else) and really wish not to offend you, if it isn't called for. once again, my apologies and looking forward to hear what else you have to say on this topic.

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Apologie accepted, glad to see some people are still able too...i apologize also, i shouldn't have said you were a dumby, i crossed the line too...we'll start over now, how's that sound?

it's all good wherei am sitting. i see you got some journals going, if i wasn't in beef mode, i more than likely would have seen it. what methods of training do you normally apply?

Giggity-giggity alright

Well i almost always LST bro, but didn't really get to this time. I only top if i know the strain will yield better, which i usually have to do a side by side to find out, but usually worth it...started defoliating about 6 months ago and love doin it now...the plant i have right now didn't really need defoliation, up until the 5th it was under cfls so alot of foliage wasn't given...i got the 600 hps on her now and she's getting a lil bushier now...i might defoliate at day 46 if she does get bushy but if not i don't see the point in doing it if my light coverage is good

ok, i feel you on that one. lately, i've been getting nothing but bushy ass plants and when i seen a few threads about defoliating, i said let me give it a try. ever since then, i've been pruning the shit out of the girls in veg and slightly during flower.
the lst thing used to be my shit, but sometimes i used to overdo it. really didn't know how it would affect the stretch in flower, but once i seen my girls spreading out too much and wasn't really growing vertically, i basically quit lsting.

Fresh 2 De@th said:

ok, i feel you on that one. lately, i've been getting nothing but bushy ass plants and when i seen a few threads about defoliating, i said let me give it a try. ever since then, i've been pruning the shit out of the girls in veg and slightly during flower.
the lst thing used to be my shit, but sometimes i used to overdo it. really didn't know how it would affect the stretch in flower, but once i seen my girls spreading out too much and wasn't really growing vertically, i basically quit lsting.

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Yeah LST is basically if your grow space is bigger around than tall....see i like mine short, wide, and bushy but now i have some height so my next plants won't be so short...you wanna take this to one of our threads so were not jackin lycanhall's?