Tobacco Mosaic Virus! Serious! With pics!

looking forward to seeing how it goes

Dude you have a magnesium deficiency

Old thread, I know...

Viruses have specific tropisms, meaning they can only bind to cells/tissues that have certain receptors on them. This is "mostly" why other animal/plant viruses cannot infect humans (nobody bring up H1N1!!!) Tobacco mosaic virus is no different... simply put, cannabis and tobacco must have similar/exact genetic elements that allows TMV to replicate within both species.

Despite what wikipedia says, milk is not an antiviral. Somebody earlier said to not use it and I agree... can you imagine how nasty those buds would be after doing that?!?! Bacteria, mold, fungus, geez I shudder to think of someone doing that. I love to contradict myself and theorize however, haha, so I will do so now. Viruses interact with receptors on a host cell, and receptors are made of protein (mostly, maybe some modifications like added carbohydrates) In lab, I use milk to "block" antigens... so basically what I am saying is that MAYBE milk is able to neutralize the receptors on the virus so that they cannot interact with the host cell receptors. I can't think of any other feasible mechanism than this...

it is VERY possible that you may have tobacco mosiac virus i had it on my crop & it started with the same symptons you have on your the brown blotches,i happen to be a smoker & before i knew anything about this virus i would smoke around my plants,@ 1st i thought it was nute lockout & ph i looked @ everything under the sun & came to the conclusion that was indefinetly what i had it wiped out my crop it did'nt kill my plants but they looked horrible & it stunted there growth & bud production badly,i used to think smoking tobacco would'nt harm my plants & if anything it would help such as c02,i was

dead wrong cigarrete smoke gives off carbon monoxide not what we want carbon dioxide!!!

Its possible to have HMV, SHMV, or SMV. I recently had an infection. Theres only one treatment out there you can find at hempmosaicvirus.com and its called RNA PRO. It works by causing the plant to boost production of the RNA protein coating that is intended to be the plants natural defense mechanism. That stuff costs a ton, so id rule out the other possibilities 1st. If it is a mosaic virus id get in touch with those guys. They saved 2 of my rooms and over $12,000, which doesnt make the 1600 i shelled out for the treatment a bad investment

blastyblast said:

thats what I was thinking, maybe I'll try milk once, do you think i should use skim,1%,2% or whole?

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Definitly Homo.. jk.. U dont have TMV.. everything I have read in the past states Cannabis cannot get TMV. Search for Jorge cervantes + Tomacco mosaic virus. I belie he despells the myth in depth in his book.

MadSci said:

Old thread, I know...

Viruses have specific tropisms, meaning they can only bind to cells/tissues that have certain receptors on them. This is "mostly" why other animal/plant viruses cannot infect humans (nobody bring up H1N1!!!) Tobacco mosaic virus is no different... simply put, cannabis and tobacco must have similar/exact genetic elements that allows TMV to replicate within both species.

Despite what wikipedia says, milk is not an antiviral. Somebody earlier said to not use it and I agree... can you imagine how nasty those buds would be after doing that?!?! Bacteria, mold, fungus, geez I shudder to think of someone doing that. I love to contradict myself and theorize however, haha, so I will do so now. Viruses interact with receptors on a host cell, and receptors are made of protein (mostly, maybe some modifications like added carbohydrates) In lab, I use milk to "block" antigens... so basically what I am saying is that MAYBE milk is able to neutralize the receptors on the virus so that they cannot interact with the host cell receptors. I can't think of any other feasible mechanism than this...

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Its not TMV that goes onto both plants, but varients of Tobamoviruses. HMV wasn't discovered till 2006, over a century past discovery of TMV. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp_mosaic_virus. There's even a treatment listed tyhere for the unfortunate ones with it

Sorry no Jewish Pollocks here. We only do english

I have this leaf deformity and blotch color show up in my garden. Just a few plants show it, and they all do very well.
When I plant a pack of seeds usually one shows up with these. I just throw that one out... It's always the runt anyway.

Maybe it is TMV..? I don't know. But I do know that you can have it in your garden and still have extremely successful harvests.
I don't think it spreads and devastates like people say it does... I only notice unhealthy plants showing it often. I have one great plant that will show it just a little bit now and then. It produces 14-15 oz under one 600 watt light.

If it truly spread through your garden quickly and devastated I would definitely have seen it by now. I'm frequently taking cuts from a stable of mothers and at the same time cutting clones from young seed plants. Some of which show the curl and mosaic pattern ... I'll re use a blade until it is not sharp anymore. every plant has shared a blade with every other plant at least once. I'm not seeing a spread. I am seeing it in nearly every seed pack now though... this makes me think it could possibly be a virus, spread by pests, and only taking a hold and showing symptoms in plants that were weak and fell to it.

BTW... take a look at Jimbowmans posts and you see his only 4 posts are promoting a product for TMV...
If you are losing crops over a problem, seek help on RIU before forking over a ton of cash for RNA Pro. I have not seen a convincing and devastating case of this problem in any post, ever. I spent a bit of time looking for one. I worried and worried... after a few killer harvests I stopped worrying and have not seen a reason to start again.

I would just flush it.

I have it on my critical mass. Not a major issue but wonder if it starts at the breeder.

jessica d said:

I have it on my critical mass. Not a major issue but wonder if it starts at the breeder.

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get a 60x or better microscope and look real close, i bet you have broadmites.http://pogenetics.com/?page_id=389

i should get some pics for you chuck to take a peek. thanks for the info. it only has it on c.mass in 3 different g.houses. all other strains inbetween have no symptoms. never had it before and some of them c.mass seeds started at another time same thing. i think i have more so i wonder can i check if it is on them without germing?

Seems to me if it were the virus than it would've spread to at least a couple other plants that surround the affected plant. If not, I'd try to find another diagnosis.

ya would think so but feb was when i first noticed it on one of them. never seen it before so those plants became moms. all the black widows i had were males except 1 she is doing nice no signs. afghan kush none ever showed sign except a island afghani looks to me to now have it beside 2 c.mass with it. i also have leaf spot rust fungal problems for the first time.

chuck estevez said:

get a 60x or better microscope and look real close, i bet you have broadmites.http://pogenetics.com/?page_id=389

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ya found microscope and i do have them. gona try a heat treatment. thanks for tips.

I have been studying TMV/HSV in cannabis for over a year now and have noticed it on several different crops (crops were destroyed and rooms were sprayed down with bleach.) The pictures you provided are absolutely a virus ABSOLUTELY and that is coming from more than eight years of professional experience. I understand this is an old thread but i HAD to chime in being there are so many people posting NONSENSE! When you have three out of four matching symptoms of tmv when those symptoms are almost never going to appear for any other problem. TMV/HSV 100%!

Mr. Anomaly said:

I have been studying TMV/HSV in cannabis for over a year now and have noticed it on several different crops (crops were destroyed and rooms were sprayed down with bleach.) The pictures you provided are absolutely a virus ABSOLUTELY and that is coming from more than eight years of professional experience. I understand this is an old thread but i HAD to chime in being there are so many people posting NONSENSE! When you have three out of four matching symptoms of tmv when those symptoms are almost never going to appear for any other problem. TMV/HSV 100%!

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BULLSHIT, The one person said they had it, I told them it was broadmites and what do you know, It is broadmites. TMV does not happen In MJ. Quit spreading your NONSENSE.