Tiny undeveloped seeds in all hydro!

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Shunks

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About 4 years ago I started to notice tiny undeveloped seeds in some batches of hydro. I put it down to a partial hermaphrodite pollination and thought nothing of it. Then it started to happy with most of the weed. I tried different dealers and different strains but they all had the tiny undeveloped pips in them. I've personally grown dozens of different strains from various reputable breeders and they always have these tiny poppy seed sized pips in them. No matter how long you let the plants grow they don't ever develop into proper seeds. They don't even get to the size of sesame seeds! They're hardly noticeable once the weed's dry, as they're so small that they just break up in the grinder. I don't use a grinder so I noticed it instantly. All the grower-dealers I've asked about this pretend that they don't know what I'm talking about, because it would be bad for business. So long as people buy their weed they don't care about the little pips. Well I care!!! It makes the weed weak and ruins the taste. The smoke burns my nostrils as I exhale. Unfortunately people are just accepting it or they don't even seem to notice.
I bought new LEDs and better fans and I only use advanced nutrients, which is an award winning line of nutrient solutions. I use bio bizz compost which is specially designed and developed by Dutch breeders for cannabis cultivation. I've got no light leakage in my tent etc etc.
I'm using 2 mars hydro ts600's which are 85 - 95 watts with a lumin equivalent of 600 watts each. They're supposed to be good quality lights and come highly recommend.
It's got to the point where I'm out of ideas as to what could be the cause.
I've grown plants outside on my balcony and this problem doesn't occur. So it can't be the genetics or anything like that. It has to be the setup. The only thing I know has changed across the board in the world of cultivation is the lights. Everybody is now using LEDs. Not just a few people, but literally everybody! I think it's something to do with the light spectrum, but that's just a guess. I don't know whether to try using a more expensive LED or whether halogen or CFL lighting would be a better idea. All of the big growers recommend LEDs so I'm totally confused right now.
Has anybody experienced this phenomenon and could anybody offer any help or advice.
Thanks
 
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Shunks

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Skiderbee said:
May just need to disinfect your tent. Lingering pollen molecules...
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Honestly brother, I wish it was stray pollen. That's a relatively easy fix. The very first thing I did was to empty everything out of the tent, replace anything I couldn't take apart and clean, and disinfect the entire tent, even the frame! I also know it's not pollen because they don't ever develop into seeds. They never get any bigger than poppy seeds and usually remain attached to the seed pod. Like it's still fused. I let my last two plants grow for almost 2 weeks longer than they should have done and they still didn't mature into proper seeds. It's not the genetics either because it doesn't happen to my outdoor grown plants.
I don't know what to do
 
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Shunks said:
Honestly brother, I wish it was stray pollen. That's a relatively easy fix. The very first thing I did was to empty everything out of the tent, replace anything I couldn't take apart and clean, and disinfect the entire tent, even the frame! I also know it's not pollen because they don't ever develop into seeds. They never get any bigger than poppy seeds and usually remain attached to the seed pod. Like it's still fused. I let my last two plants grow for almost 2 weeks longer than they should have done and they still didn't mature into proper seeds. It's not the genetics either because it doesn't happen to my outdoor grown plants.
I don't know what to do
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There was someone a few weeks ago that brought up the same problem, wish I could remember what thread it was, but there was some very good explanations on what your experiencing. Try a search for "tiny seeds"
 
TCH

TCH

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Kgrim said:
There was someone a few weeks ago that brought up the same problem, wish I could remember what thread it was, but there was some very good explanations on what your experiencing. Try a search for "tiny seeds"
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OP commented this same thing in that thread.
 
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Shunks

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Kgrim said:
There was someone a few weeks ago that brought up the same problem, wish I could remember what thread it was, but there was some very good explanations on what your experiencing. Try a search for "tiny seeds"
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I'll have a look see. Thanks, that's much appreciated ✌
 
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Shunks

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ProPheT 216 said:
Are they seeds or hard like a rock?

Nanners getting u maybe?
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They look like they're like the beginnings of seeds but they never get bigger than poppy seeds. Sometimes they're hard and almost sticky. Still fused to the inside of the calax. But if the bud's very dry they usually crumble to dust. Most people use grinders now so they don't seem to notice. They just assume the weed is a bit harsh and weak
 
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Shunks

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TCH said:

Extremly small seeds in weed

JACKMAYOFFERISLEGEND , Yes. From experience and if my memory is correct, some strains/genetics do this, fake tiny little specks that look like seeds but they are not....definately not done by pollinaton also
www.rollitup.org
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It can't be the genetics, because I've grown the exact same plants outdoors and this doesn't ever occur. It's really frustrating and very confusing!
 
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Shunks

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ProPheT 216 said:
Are they seeds or hard like a rock?

Nanners getting u maybe?
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No nanners. This has nothing to do with pollen, I know that much for certain!
They're hard enough to roll between your thumb and forefinger but crumble up if the weeds really dry. If it's really moist they feel sticky and oily and usually remain fused to the seed pod/calax
 
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Shunks

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Kgrim said:
There was someone a few weeks ago that brought up the same problem, wish I could remember what thread it was, but there was some very good explanations on what your experiencing. Try a search for "tiny seeds"
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I managed to find a similar thread discussing this, but it's from 2013 unfortunately. Nobody seemed to have any answers there either
 
HydoDan

HydoDan

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So, there is no pollen.. But the plants are forming seeds?? I don't think it works like that..
 
mudballs

mudballs

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It's similar to maize (corn).. those fat corn kernels we love were once tiny little ovules like what's being discussed here.
 
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Shunks

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HydoDan said:
So, there is no pollen.. But the plants are forming seeds?? I don't think it works like that..
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They aren't proper seeds and never actually develop into proper seeds. It's got nothing to do with nanners or stray pollen or a self pollination. All of these things would result in feminised/hermaphrodite seeds, fully formed and fertile!
mudballs said:
It's similar to maize (corn).. those fat corn kernels we love were once tiny little ovules like what's being discussed here.
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That's absolutely nothing to do with this. You're referring to the selective cultivation of modern cereal grains. There's literally no parallel between the two things at all!
 
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