Thoughts on the XXXL Magnum 6" Reflector, or any reflector? :)

ScoobyDoobyDoo

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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Ty13 said:
Well, 4' is basically a factor of the floor space......~8' x 12'....And 6 lights(2 rows of 3 parallel).

I guess another factor is how well the hoods are cooled...I'm running the room sealed(CGE) with a 2 ton mini split a/c...Pulling both rows of 3 lights with a multi-flow 10" Fantech that should rock the shit out of them though.
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pulling 6 hoods with a single 10" fan might be pushing. probably is. no big deal though. you got a 2 ton in that room. that should handle it just fine.

8x12 room with 6 1000w lights? sounds good to me. i wouldn't run your ballasts at 750 though unless you get 750w bulbs. every ballast and bulb manufacturer recommends you not run bulbs dimmed like that cause it shortens bulb life and changes the actual spectrum of the bulb. just run them at 1000w. you got plenty of a/c. maybe even get some 600w bulbs for the first couple weeks or just run less lights and more plants on a tray till they start getting bigger. you could even get some 600w MH bulbs. i run my plants under MH and feed them veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of flower anyway while they are still basically in the veg stage and need a lot of N.
 
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Ty13

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ScoobyDoobyDoo said:
pulling 6 hoods with a single 10" fan might be pushing. probably is. no big deal though. you got a 2 ton in that room. that should handle it just fine.

8x12 room with 6 1000w lights? sounds good to me. i wouldn't run your ballasts at 750 though unless you get 750w bulbs. every ballast and bulb manufacturer recommends you not run bulbs dimmed like that cause it shortens bulb life and changes the actual spectrum of the bulb. just run them at 1000w. you got plenty of a/c. maybe even get some 600w bulbs for the first couple weeks or just run less lights and more plants on a tray till they start getting bigger. you could even get some 600w MH bulbs. i run my plants under MH and feed them veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of flower anyway while they are still basically in the veg stage and need a lot of N.
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The room is larger than 8'x12' but that's about the drain table size...Need room to walk and rotation.
Yeah, I'm going to have to see how the 10" handles it. It's not a regular inline fan and is supposed to pull 1,226 cfm's but we'll see. It's supposed to really pull some serious air due to it's "multi-flow technology" or what ever.

I've heard about the spectrum shift etc. but I've also seen where Collective Gardener on here in his 20K legal op thread has a friend with the Phantom 1K ballasts dimming 1K bulbs just like this to 750 watts and his friend is pulling more than him with the same genetics. Have you seen any comparisons by any chance, all other things being equal but diff. results with regards to the spectrum shift? I just know that what works on paper doesn't always turn out the same way physically...I'm not too concerned with the little less bulb life but I'm def. interested if there's side by side comparisons that anyone has seen...That would be interesting!

I guess if my math is right, 1K watts is really only 62.5 watts per square foot for a 8'x12'....maybe I'll be adding a few free hanging MH's now lol

What about the diff. wattage bulbs though? Is that only doable with a ballast like the Lumateks where it's a select a wattage type of ballast and not just dimmable?? I have 1K Phantoms that are going to be running 220V as they're the work horses of the industry.

Thanks for bringing this up and making me take a second look at things man!
 
ScoobyDoobyDoo

ScoobyDoobyDoo

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Ty13 said:
The room is larger than 8'x12' but that's about the drain table size...Need room to walk and rotation.
Yeah, I'm going to have to see how the 10" handles it. It's not a regular inline fan and is supposed to pull 1,226 cfm's but we'll see. It's supposed to really pull some serious air due to it's "multi-flow technology" or what ever.

I've heard about the spectrum shift etc. but I've also seen where Collective Gardener on here in his 20K legal op thread has a friend with the Phantom 1K ballasts dimming 1K bulbs just like this to 750 watts and his friend is pulling more than him with the same genetics. Have you seen any comparisons by any chance, all other things being equal but diff. results with regards to the spectrum shift? I just know that what works on paper doesn't always turn out the same way physically...I'm not too concerned with the little less bulb life but I'm def. interested if there's side by side comparisons that anyone has seen...That would be interesting!

I guess if my math is right, 1K watts is really only 62.5 watts per square foot for a 8'x12'....maybe I'll be adding a few free hanging MH's now lol

What about the diff. wattage bulbs though? Is that only doable with a ballast like the Lumateks where it's a select a wattage type of ballast and not just dimmable?? I have 1K Phantoms that are going to be running 220V as they're the work horses of the industry.

Thanks for bringing this up and making me take a second look at things man!
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i've never seen a side by side comparison. i was actually running my 1000w lumateks at 600w with a 1000w bulb and then i heard about this. i talked to the guys at hortilux and lumatek and they both said the same thing. don't do it. i just took their word for it.

i wouldn't worry too much about wattage per square foot. it's really more of a guideline to help get things setup. if you are running 6,000w in that spcae you'll have plenty of light. i really don't think you should dim your bulbs at all. just run fewer tables in the beginning and less lights. as the plants grow you can start spreading them over more tables and using more of the lights.
 
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kamie

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Ty13 said:
The room is larger than 8'x12' but that's about the drain table size...Need room to walk and rotation.
Yeah, I'm going to have to see how the 10" handles it. It's not a regular inline fan and is supposed to pull 1,226 cfm's but we'll see. It's supposed to really pull some serious air due to it's "multi-flow technology" or what ever.

I've heard about the spectrum shift etc. but I've also seen where Collective Gardener on here in his 20K legal op thread has a friend with the Phantom 1K ballasts dimming 1K bulbs just like this to 750 watts and his friend is pulling more than him with the same genetics. Have you seen any comparisons by any chance, all other things being equal but diff. results with regards to the spectrum shift? I just know that what works on paper doesn't always turn out the same way physically...I'm not too concerned with the little less bulb life but I'm def. interested if there's side by side comparisons that anyone has seen...That would be interesting!

I guess if my math is right, 1K watts is really only 62.5 watts per square foot for a 8'x12'....maybe I'll be adding a few free hanging MH's now lol

What about the diff. wattage bulbs though? Is that only doable with a ballast like the Lumateks where it's a select a wattage type of ballast and not just dimmable?? I have 1K Phantoms that are going to be running 220V as they're the work horses of the industry.

Thanks for bringing this up and making me take a second look at things man!
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i ran a 1k ballast dimmed to 750 this past run and it went great. i was also told from eye hortilux not to run 1k bulbs dimmed to anything less due to spectrum change and life of bulb. My local hydro store replaces any bulbs within the 1 year of purchase so even if it died out within the year i'd get a new one the next day. also eye hortilux also recommends 9 months on bulbs for optimal performance. i'd rather have a bulb that will fail under a year so i'd get a new one. im bout to finish a 1k solis tek dimmed to 600w. i see no difference on how the plants come out besides the fact i can actually stick the hood right on top of the canopy. same with 750w i was able to keep it closer.
 
SimonD

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Choosing a reflector isn't necessarily intuitive. One can't simply look at one and decide how it will perform in a given setup. We've tested quite a few reflectors; I linked the thread below. Make sure to read the entire thing:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=51325

FWIW, I own SSIIs, Blockbusters, CoolSuns, DaystarACs, a Magnum, and something else I'm forgetting right now, and use them all depending on the application. I like to think the results (err...) reflect the legwork. lol

Simon
 
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Ty13

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SimonD said:
Choosing a reflector isn't necessarily intuitive. One can't simply look at one and decide how it will perform in a given setup. We've tested quite a few reflectors; I linked the thread below. Make sure to read the entire thing:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=51325

FWIW, I own SSIIs, Blockbusters, CoolSuns, DaystarACs, a Magnum, and something else I'm forgetting right now, and use them all depending on the application. I like to think the results (err...) reflect the legwork. lol

Simon
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Yeah, it finally gets to the magnum here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=51325&page=38
 
SimonD

SimonD

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Ty13 said:
Yeah, it finally gets to the magnum here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=51325&page=38
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And, there's another 26 pages after that. It's a complicated topic. Of course, no one has to read any of that, take the time to understand the constraints, or even plot-out his own room and compare the results relative to his own space. He can simply buy whichever reflector sounds good to him at the moment. The info is there. What one does with it is solely up to him.

Simon
 
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Ty13

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SimonD said:
And, there's another 26 pages after that. It's a complicated topic. Of course, no one has to read any of that, take the time to understand the constraints, or even plot-out his own room and compare the results relative to his own space. He can simply buy whichever reflector sounds good to him at the moment. The info is there. What one does with it is solely up to him.

Simon
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True but is there an individual page/post in that thread that sums it up at all. There's a lot of other posts there to sift through...That's why I narrowed it down with the link to where it starts to get into the Mag. XXXL's since that's the theme of the thread here. There's def. some good research and info in there...
 
blindbaby

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my freind has one. he says its waaaaaay to heavy. has to use big pulleys. i have a simple yield master 2. also with a 6" duct. weight is like 12 lbs or something. easy, light, and covers my 4.5 x4.5 ft area. if you want bigger, go with the white shark. the xxxl is huge. and spendy.
 
SimonD

SimonD

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blindbaby said:
my freind has one. he says its waaaaaay to heavy. has to use big pulleys. i have a simple yield master 2. also with a 6" duct. weight is like 12 lbs or something. easy, light, and covers my 4.5 x4.5 ft area. if you want bigger, go with the white shark. the xxxl is huge. and spendy.
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FWIW, I use chains with all of my reflectors along with these:

Never a fear of falling (been there). I screw a 2x4 into the beams, if you will, attach the hooks to the plank and hang the reflectors.

Simon
 
ECHydroceuticals

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Pro-Grip Ratchets are rated for up to 150 lbs...they're the shit. Multiple XXXLs can get heavy if you're in a tent, but they're only about 30 lbs each...almost 10 lbs lighter than the Raptor.
 
ScoobyDoobyDoo

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something else to think about when you are in tents. you can use standard pvc and fittings to strengthen tent supports if you want to hang extra stuff from the roof. really easy to slide them over the existing tent poles and use tees and elbows to lock them into place. just an idea.
 
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