Thinking of switching to organic

harris hawk said:

Super Tea and Budswell are two of the best organic nutrients out their. You know you can use both organic and non-organic together example: Advanced Nutrients 3 part - use as directed but finish off with budswell in late flower - also use super tea once a week in veg stage. Many use organic's for better taste rather than bigger yields

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I grow mostly for personal so I'd rather have flavor ha

And mixing the two don't sound like a bid idea

krudezilla said:

My current grow style is primarily organic. I don't bother much with most folks ideas on organics, I get frustrated with the near religious levels of faith proselytizing some folks promoting organics do. It fucking hurts my brain sometimes as I try to comb fact from fantasy. My advice to any grower is to find a grow style you enjoy that helps you meet your goals, and filter out any dogma others might be trying to feed you. New growers, find an experienced guy to emulate. Eventually you'll gain the experience necessary to do things your way, and once you start feeling the confidence to try something new that you want to try go for it. This pretty much applies to any grow style. I personally do organics while trying to reduce my carbon load on the environment. I try to get my materials local, I look for waste byproducts that will benefit my grow, while helping to reduce carbon load. I have an earthworm farm that I recycle much of my household wastes, that then become primary nutrient sources for my garden. I used to do super soil. I thought really hard about it, and though I think its beneficial, I also kind of think it's a waste. I recycle my soil, roots left in to decompose, and I ammend with a number of things, and let my recycled soil cook awhile. I've been liking the idea of planting some legume green manure over my recycled soil for nitrogen fixation, I think I'll be giving that a go soon, and I think I may use a small clover species for a living mulch during grows in the future. I bubble up compost tea with my earth worm compost, and feed about every couple of weeks, and I am really looking into making fermented plant fertilizers using local, natural plant materials. So for me I am really enjoying the process of growing organically, I'm trying to reduce my environmental impact by reutilizing wastes, and I spend very, very, little in grow materials overall. My personal opinion is that you should match your grow style to what you enjoy, what works for you financially, and what helps you meet your goals. I used to like to really apply technique during grow, such as training, building structure, so on. Now I grow more as a facilitator, and take a less active role, observing, smelling, enjoying, while the real work is done by the plants and microbes. So this is what works for me, and I think is working quite well at that.

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Anything in life is about finding your style !! And for growing I'm still working on mine. But it sounds like you have your set up down my friend. Other that my technique. I just use anything on the advance nutreients line. But no matter what I'm growing I love topping and tying shit down having just a little crazy bush

Yeah I used to do a lot of training, and most definitely you can increase yield, and can be very rewarding time spent. More lately however, I've been spending the time on other pursuits. I don't need any more yield than I already get, it just becomes rabbit food when I grow too much.

mofucka said:

I grow mostly for personal so I'd rather have flavor ha

And mixing the two don't sound like a bid idea

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but it is a bad idea, if you are going with living soil (the whole purpose of organics) adding chemical salts to your soil can damage/destroy your little soil-ecosystem/beneficial micro-organisms.
Not to mention it's counter-productive, if your soil is made right you aren't going to need any chemical nutrients, and if you did you could easily find an organic alternative that doesn't muck with your microbes and not to mention organic nutrients almost always have an array of micros as well.
You could, use chemicals, and your herb would be fine, yes..., but it sorta defeats the purpose of organics, especially at the end of a grow cycle, because then when you yank the plant, the microbe population/soil health isn't very good and that's pretty important if you re-use or no-till your soil.
It's alive ALL the time, the soil that is.
Nothing against chems, if that's your thing, it's a preference, like what cars you like or women...
but organics and chems are counter productive to use in conjunction with each other. NO doubt.

krudezilla said:

Yeah I used to do a lot of training, and most definitely you can increase yield, and can be very rewarding time spent. More lately however, I've been spending the time on other pursuits. I don't need any more yield than I already get, it just becomes rabbit food when I grow too much.

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compost that stuff man, it does well in a pile, and if you couple it with leaves and rotting logs and such in about 6-8 months you have the almost the best soil additive in the world ( the best being homemade vermicompost)
I did some pollen chucking and a bunch of undesired traits/males were made so I used them as my nitrogen in my compost and it's almost ready now, I threw them in there back in may I think..
Add alfalfa, in your case I assume you have rabbit shit? that's the GOODS, add rock phosphates of some kind, fish bone meal... mix that all up every ten days or so and you'll have the MOTHER of all composts...
rabbit shit is some good stuff, the urine soaked bedding they use is PERFECT for compost too, high in nitrogen and the straw is good aeration.
You could pimp put your rabbit homes with straight alfalfa and that'd be great too...
shit... would it be cruel to adopt a rabbit just for it's animal waste?

greasemonkeymann said:

but it is a bad idea, if you are going with living soil (the whole purpose of organics) adding chemical salts to your soil can damage/destroy your little soil-ecosystem/beneficial micro-organisms.
Not to mention it's counter-productive, if your soil is made right you aren't going to need any chemical nutrients, and if you did you could easily find an organic alternative that doesn't muck with your microbes and not to mention organic nutrients almost always have an array of micros as well.
You could, use chemicals, and your herb would be fine, yes..., but it sorta defeats the purpose of organics, especially at the end of a grow cycle, because then when you yank the plant, the microbe population/soil health isn't very good and that's pretty important if you re-use or no-till your soil.
It's alive ALL the time, the soil that is.
Nothing against chems, if that's your thing, it's a preference, like what cars you like or women...
but organics and chems are counter productive to use in conjunction with each other. NO doubt.

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Good info. I did not know that Chems are bad for the soil. But I could see how it defeats the purpose of using organing.

And when it comes to preference. I really don't have one . Concdering I've only used A.N products. Hardly even bought any thing out side there line

I'm looking to try new things and see what I like the most though

I known cars And my women.
Time to figure out my grow lol

mofucka said:

Good info. I did not know that Chems are bad for the soil. But I could see how it defeats the purpose of using organing.

And when it comes to preference. I really don't have one . Concdering I've only used A.N products. Hardly even bought any thing out side there line

I'm looking to try new things and see what I like the most though

I known cars And my women.
Time to figure out my grow lol

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and like your cars and women it'll take some "tinkering" to find your exact preferences.
For instance I like the taste of organics and yoga girls.. um I mean, uh.. nevermind..

greasemonkeymann said:

and like your cars and women it'll take some "tinkering" to find your exact preferences.
For instance I like the taste of organics and yoga girls.. um I mean, uh.. nevermind..

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Mmmmm yoga girls better yet mmmm yoga pants lol
N most deffinitly I'm still working every run gets a little bit better but I wanna explore my options

I always feel a little problem with the notion that chem fertilizers kill off the micolife. Maybe suppresses them somewhat, and over use will most likely deplete the soil life. I don't mix them, because I don't need to, therefore I don't need to spend the money, and my grow style is such that I don't want any suppression of the beneficial soil life, and quite frankly it's the beneficial microbes that I rely on to suppress the pathological ones anyways. The fact is, as anyone who has ever grown DWC, or maintained a nutrient reservoir for any length of time, most conventional nutrients just don't seem to be very toxic. and so I have a real big problem with some of the very tenants that many folks produce as their pro organics arguments. I don't think you have to inflate the benefits of organics, nor do you need to inflate the detriments of conventional methodologies to justify organic growing. It is a grow style that suits some of us very well. I will tell you this though, I thoroughly detest the smug holier than thou attitudes some organic growers take, and I guffaw every time I start to hear someone make what they believe to be a purists' position (there's no such thing unless you are a lawyer). If your goals are to produce a legal product, that will be legally distributed, and is legally marketed as "organic" then a purists' attitude is necessary as there is a legal (state by state anyways) definition of what organic means. However my interests are in no way tied to distribution of a product, and legal definitions of organics is irrelevant to me. So I don't use chemical fertilizers unless I'm toying around with something in coco, you know just for getting rid of the chem stuff I have left from past hydro grows, those plants ultimately getting fed to the rabbits not so much because I have anything against them but rather because I lose interest, and I just don't want to take space under the light from more favored plants. I don't believe it's good practice to try to mix organic and chem based growing very much, I have trouble understanding the point in doing that really, maybe some think it may be a best of both worlds kind of thing, but I really think if you are going to put the effort forward to do organics, then there is great value to sticking to it, as what you are essentially doing is improving your soil over time (that is if you recycle your soil). If you are buying all your "organic" media and fertilizers that are massed produced and sent from all over the world, many of which are from non renewable resources or are heavily mined such that what is taken from the environment is greater than what is being put back in, and you don't recycle soil, my thoughts are that you are growing more to what is a legal definition of organics completely missing the spirit. Not that I think that's a big deal, fuck man, do you, I'll do me, really it is no big deal. The main thing is that you have analyzed what exactly your goals are, and analysing whether or not what you are doing now is best helping you to meet them, and further analyzing how can you do better. I can say, from my experience, that at least one variety that I grew from clones of a wonderful hydro mother, that the organic grown was substantially tastier, smelled much stronger, and I feel like it's effects are stronger. That last statement please regard as being subjective, I've grown much hydro that I couldn't possibly imagine getting any tastier or smellier or stronger, I'm merely relating my experience with my primary variety That I favor.

rabbit shit is some good stuff, the urine soaked bedding they use is PERFECT for compost too, high in nitrogen and the straw is good aeration.
You could pimp put your rabbit homes with straight alfalfa and that'd be great too...
shit... would it be cruel to adopt a rabbit just for it's animal waste?[/QUOTE]
The rabbits are my daughter's pets. I find them very therapeutic, and really enjoy their company. They have been very rewarding. Their poo, and urine soaked bedding is absolutely awesome. I compost it seperately for awhile to let the ammonia gas off, then put straight aged rabbit poo into my recycled soil (not that I believe it needs to be aged, it's just the process I put in place that means the poo sits with the old bedding for awhile before I attempt to seperate any. The bedding and the majority of the poo, becomes bedding and food for the worms, and yes there is always lots and lots of left over alfalfa in the mix. Keeping rabbits just for fertilizer production isn't a good idea in my opinion, as there is a cost in upkeep for the rabbits. Rabbits however are very enjoyable, at least to me, I love watching them, interacting with them, and just contemplating their behaviors.

krudezilla said:

My current grow style is primarily organic. I don't bother much with most folks ideas on organics, I get frustrated with the near religious levels of faith proselytizing some folks promoting organics do. It fucking hurts my brain sometimes as I try to comb fact from fantasy. My advice to any grower is to find a grow style you enjoy that helps you meet your goals, and filter out any dogma others might be trying to feed you. New growers, find an experienced guy to emulate. Eventually you'll gain the experience necessary to do things your way, and once you start feeling the confidence to try something new that you want to try go for it. This pretty much applies to any grow style. I personally do organics while trying to reduce my carbon load on the environment. I try to get my materials local, I look for waste byproducts that will benefit my grow, while helping to reduce carbon load. I have an earthworm farm that I recycle much of my household wastes, that then become primary nutrient sources for my garden. I used to do super soil. I thought really hard about it, and though I think its beneficial, I also kind of think it's a waste. I recycle my soil, roots left in to decompose, and I ammend with a number of things, and let my recycled soil cook awhile. I've been liking the idea of planting some legume green manure over my recycled soil for nitrogen fixation, I think I'll be giving that a go soon, and I think I may use a small clover species for a living mulch during grows in the future. I bubble up compost tea with my earth worm compost, and feed about every couple of weeks, and I am really looking into making fermented plant fertilizers using local, natural plant materials. So for me I am really enjoying the process of growing organically, I'm trying to reduce my environmental impact by reutilizing wastes, and I spend very, very, little in grow materials overall. My personal opinion is that you should match your grow style to what you enjoy, what works for you financially, and what helps you meet your goals. I used to like to really apply technique during grow, such as training, building structure, so on. Now I grow more as a facilitator, and take a less active role, observing, smelling, enjoying, while the real work is done by the plants and microbes. So this is what works for me, and I think is working quite well at that.

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That's a great post right there! Spot on

mofucka said:

I've been thinking of going organic.....

Convert me

Go

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st0wandgrow said:

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Nice looking plants my friend

There's a inexpensive brand of organic garden soil at Lowe's. I don't remember the name, sorry, but it's in bluish bags. I'm currently using it cut with peat moss and perlite. Then fox farms organic bottles with calmag. The plants LOVE it. Perfect shape and color of leaves, insane growth, and the buds are quite large for only being 2 weeks into flower. Great smell too. That's all I can say about it for now until harvest results.

Is this the soil you're using?



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greasemonkeymann said:

would it be cruel to adopt a rabbit just for it's animal waste?

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I adopted 2 of them, and while they do make for great little pets (especially if you have kids) they are prized in my home for the astonishing amount of shit that they produce. Our veggie garden was unreal this year and I credit what you mention above...... a compost bin full of rabbit poop and their bedding.

mofucka said:

I've been thinking of going organic. But id like get some info from some organic growers

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Organic growing is like cheating in a video game.

Nature does the work for you...You feed the soil, the soil feeds the plants, the plants feed your THC receptors, and the cycle continues.

It's like instant pot - just add water.

ayr0n said:

Organic growing is like cheating in a video game.

Nature does the work for you...You feed the soil, the soil feeds the plants, the plants feed your THC receptors, and the cycle continues.

It's like instant pot - just add water.

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Cheaters always win

Im currently doing a full organic grow, Didnt make a super soil, But I did add a few thing to it. I love the fact that I dont have to worry about burning my plants, or at least I havent yet Some organic stuff when brewing tea's balance the Ph out at least in my case. And the tea's, I dont know where to begin but water enriched with o2 and live cultures and nutrients etc is like liquid crack for plants. And stuff like bat guano goes along way in terms of amount used.

xxjohndeerexx said:

Im currently doing a full organic grow, Didnt make a super soil, But I did add a few thing to it. I love the fact that I dont have to worry about burning my plants, or at least I havent yet Some organic stuff when brewing tea's balance the Ph out at least in my case. And the tea's, I dont know where to begin but water enriched with o2 and live cultures and nutrients etc is like liquid crack for plants. And stuff like bat guano goes along way in terms of amount used.

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Just be careful with messing around with that guano - there can be some nasty pathogens in that stuff & the dust is so fine it blows about easily.

Gloves, respirator, goggles & a good wash after you play.