thinking of replenishing my own seed supply...

Random update... The Walter White fizzled and died. That was a bummer. I've been told that optimally one would start the pollen donor a week or two before the pollen recipients, but now that schedule is reversed. The pollen donor (Double Grape) was started a week *after* the Grapey Walter which will receive pollen (along with itself, hopefully). What that means, I'm thinking, is that I'll need to keep the Grapey Walter alive well past when one would harvest for bud, in order to give the seeds time to mature. Not a problem, it can go 100% amber -- I wasn't expecting to get any bud from this grow, just seeds.

Below are some pics of my table top grow. So far they're doing OK. There was a little clawing going on, I'm not used to working with pots this small and when I set them up I add dry nutes to the soil in the bottom 1/3, and I went a little too heavy. I'm sure they'll recover. I've been spraying the lower branches on the Double Grape since December 1st, so theoretically some time around the 21st I should be able to stop.

The small one is a mutant Sour Stomper that I kept alive because I wanted to see how the branches were going to form. If it gets crowded on the table, I'll end that one. I certainly don't have any intentions of pollinating it. Speaking of pollen, my hope is to additionally freeze some, and then have the option to selectively pollinate branches on next year's outdoor grow. I have done that with photos in the past, it worked well.



There are a handful of things I'll do differently if there is a 'next time' with this process, but first I have to see this one through.

You could grow one plant at a time and store the pollen in the fridge or freezer for a later more controlled use.

I like your project bud! hope you get lots of healthy dark colored little beanies to sort through after its all said and done. should be some real fun sorting through those phenos.
it would be infinitely cooler tho if you decided to start selecting your favorite phenos from this lot and stabilizing it for 2 or 3 generations. then youd never run out of high quality fems! and id get to nerd out on watching your process

bf80255 said:

I like your project bud! hope you get lots of healthy dark colored little beanies to sort through after its all said and done. should be some real fun sorting through those phenos.
it would be infinitely cooler tho if you decided to start selecting your favorite phenos from this lot and stabilizing it for 2 or 3 generations. then youd never run out of high quality fems! and id get to nerd out on watching your process

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Thanks for the supportive thoughts. Along the course of this exploration I ended out whittling down the criteria and working towards only feminizing one plant, possibly pollinating itself and one other that both share a common parent. Hopefully there won't be too huge a pool of phenos, just some S1 copies and some of that F1 hybrid vigor so that I can enjoy them and move on. Thanks again for your enthusiasm.

Humanrob said:

Thanks for the supportive thoughts. Along the course of this exploration I ended out whittling down the criteria and working towards only feminizing one plant, possibly pollinating itself and one other that both share a common parent. Hopefully there won't be too huge a pool of phenos, just some S1 copies and some of that F1 hybrid vigor so that I can enjoy them and move on. Thanks again for your enthusiasm.

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hey that works too.
you cant attain heterosis (hybrid vigor) through inbreeding/linebreeding (one or more of the same parent in either pedigree)

thats a badass goal too man. lemme know if your interested in swappin some beans+genes in the future I can always make use of some S1 mephisto ;P

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looks like its coated in some icy morning dew

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looks like its coated in some icy morning dew

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This is one of the auto's i bred this year. Auto-Mandarin Dawg. Mega-potent. Like said above some are much stronger, breeding has come a long way. They just keep getting better.

Mom was hot stuff.

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Mom was hot stuff.

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nice bruddah keep chuckin mah friend its lookin GREAT

My girl finally got her first balls, hopefully she'll get a few more. That's Double Grape at around 7 weeks, 25 days after I started spraying.




And the 8 week old Grapey Walter is starting to frost up. Because of the cool temps (66º at night, 70-72º during lights on) and only 12 hours of light per day, they are slow and behind schedule. That's OK, I've got nowhere to go. It would probably be 4 more weeks until she's done for smoke harvest, but I'll probably keep her alive for closer to 8 more to give any seeds that form time to mature. It would be nice to cut and dry some buds for smoking -- not that this is anything like a harvest-centric indoor grow, but even so, it is the first time I've ever grown autos indoors, so it could be fun to sample this one (obviously not the one being sprayed).

Since I've only grown autos outdoors and mostly in the ground, I'm not used to growing in such small pots or how little nutes autos can get by with, and I overfed these two. They reacted completely differently to the same exact circumstances -- the Grapey Walter on the left seems to have some sort of lockout, and the Double Grape on the right shows too much nitrogen (from my limited knowledge of plant diagnosis).

My "plan" is just give them water for the rest of the run and hope they work it out. I've been PH'ing the water, and I add a little compost tea, but that's about it. I'm right around 8 weeks in, and since the pollen hasn't dropped yet and the seeds will take 6 weeks to mature, I've got a solid 7 more weeks to go. This'll be one long experiment/learning experience.




More balls are showing up, so that's a good thing.