They say there is no point...

It took some trial and error, but I finally got an auto growing. Already went through all that on another thread but, they say there is no point in cloning an auto. I have argued that treating for pollen is one reason but the branches I cloned were destined to shrivel and die off as they were her first few branches the ones that were before the first set of big fan leaves. Wouldn't anything they produce be more than they were destined to produce If not cloned?

I didn't read the other thread but I agree with what you've been told, there is no point in cloning. You could have left those bottom branches on your plant to pollinate or reverse or simply just bud. They dont "die off". I don't see how cloning them was beneficial in any way. Seems like you just slowed down those lower branches to me.

The first set of branches are typically what I use to reverse and pollinate the other.

Zogs said:

I didn't read the other thread but I agree with what you've been told, there is no point in cloning. You could have left those bottom branches on your plant to pollinate or reverse or simply just bud. They dont "die off". I don't see how cloning them was beneficial in any way. Seems like you just slowed down those lower branches to me.

The first set of branches are typically what I use to reverse and pollinate the other.

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Right. If you consider the fact that it will root and do not much else a success, than yes you can "technically" clone it. Success is growing a duplicate of the plant that the clone was taken from and this will just not happen with autos. If you spend 3 weeks to let it get to 4 to 5 nodes and take a "clone", that clone only has 2 to 3 weeks of time before it will decide to flower and some of that time was slowed to help re-root. So what... a 4 to 6" mini plant was worth the cutting? No. Not even close.

How do you "reverse" them? CS, STS? I thought it was dangerous to consume the treated plant. That is why I doing this. So I can treat my little clonlings with STS and get feminized pollen from them with out having to sacrifice the whole plant.
And yes Matty I know your opinion, you're the one that told me there it's no point in the first place, and it may coincide with fact, but the first two internodes on all of my previous plants shriveled up and died from a lack of light, I would presume but I don't really know. So I figured, what's the worst that could happen... at 7 weeks they die producing nothing. Well, lesson learned. What have I lost? There is that ever precious Time, but in money and supplies, almost nothing. The lights are already on, I don't have very much room and it will satisfy my curiosity. Sure you can sit there and tell me you've done this exact same thing and I'll still try it myself.

Johiem said:

How do you "reverse" them? CS, STS? I thought it was dangerous to consume the treated plant. That is why I doing this. So I can treat my little clonlings with STS and get feminized pollen from them with out having to sacrifice the whole plant.

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To be clear, and I researched a ton, and I don't think there has been anyone qualified to say one way or the other on this issue. You have to make up your own mind what you feel comfortable with. That being said, I sure wouldn't smoke anything that I directly sprayed with silver and I sure wouldn't share the rest of the buds that did not get sprayed with anyone not informed. If I treated the whole plant I would just discard the whole plant. I am making the assumption that the silver in the spray is not mobile and does not travel through to the rest of the plant. Is that True ? Fk if I know or anyone else that I've seen posting on the subject. It would be nice if someone did a lab test on the buds to confirm one way or another.

I'm using home made CS. I would prefer STS but sourcing the materials is too hard in Canada. I do not spray the whole plant. I bend and tie down the first branch ( helps give more light) and separates it from the rest of the plant. I wrap about an inch of pipe cleaner around the base of that branch to absorb any dripping. I use small 2 inch spray bottle (formerly eye glass cleaner) to mist the branch. I am very careful to ensure no overspray. Once I see the male sacs look like they are about to open I remove the plant from the tent for about a week and collect the pollen and chop off the male branch. I use a paint brush and pollinate what I want. I haven't had a problem with stray pollen even when I leave the plant inside the tent when the sacs start to open. I just make sure to put it in a corner with no fan blowing. I might get the odd seed on a plant that i didn't intentionally pollinate, but I just think of it as a bonus.

That brings us back to the cloning. You would really be pushing it to get that thing rooted, growing and start spraying it to get it reversed in time. You may get the whole process to work, but it seems like your going out of your way to take 2 steps back to complete the same task. I always consider my reversal plant as a sacrifice, so i just stick in in a solo cup or small pot. It's not like your going to be short on seeds after this process. So just do the job properly. It's hard enough getting a reversal done in time without cloning.

Well the reversal failed. Lesson learned on that front. Buuttt... on the subject of getting the clonling to produce more than it was destined to if left on the plant. I call it a success. Is is a true full cloning no. But here she is today.

This is her mother. so no, not a truely successful clone

But if you compare the clonling to the branch above where it was cut that is still on the mother, I consider THAT part of the experiment a success. She was the second branch, this is the third.

I measure success differently.