The Vault Comparative Grow, in association with Mephisto Genetics - Heisenberg Special Autos

bertaluchi

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I have a HS finishing up in my room right now and she is a beauty. I will post some picks after the chop which will be soon. She has such a thick coat of trichomes it is just amazing. And the bud is solid, rock hard nugs and they are still on the plant. Its basically one big kola. I find that they adapt very well to dense planting situations, putting out only a few branches but if you give them room they really seem to put out a nice spread of branches. I found some different tastes among different plants but they all have a good taste, some great and the buzz is always good. Can't wait for you all to sample these plants and tell me what you think. I'm also looking forward to see all of your plants. I have a photo crop that will go into flower in a few weeks and when that is done I will get to running these HS seeds.
 

green217

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Just dropped mine in paper towels today, and the triangle too. These will be my first auto grow. I usually up pot, but I'm under the impression that You put these in their final pots, no up potting. I am a little concerned about watering them when they are so small in large containers, I can go 3gallon or 5gallon smart pot. How do you guys water these at first? Do you saturate the whole pot as usual, or do I just water it slightly at first? Thanks for the chance to run these, I'll have all of them under a 600 then on to a 1000 watter once they begin a little size to them. I am just scared of saturating them using such large pots for small seedlings. Any advice from auto growers is more than welcome, I will be using SS#4 advanced.
 

Mr black thumb

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I had a SODK from Mephisto herm out and I got a but load of seeds from a heisenberg. just don't know if I want to grow seeds from a hermie but I may throw a couple outside and see what happens.
So I'm pretty interested in seeding a Heisenberg have some questions
1. Do you spray all bud sites for optimal seed production or does half the plant stay female for pollination?
2. How do you cross a photoperiod plant with a auto to get feminised auto seeds?
I have looked at some articles on this but I believe its not real trust worthy maybe it is ? That's why I'm asking
I have some huge yielding plants that would be great to introduce to a smaller auto because of the fast flower.
Thanks guys I appreciate any and all info
 

GuyLeDuche

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Just dropped mine in paper towels today, and the triangle too. These will be my first auto grow. I usually up pot, but I'm under the impression that You put these in their final pots, no up potting. I am a little concerned about watering them when they are so small in large containers, I can go 3gallon or 5gallon smart pot. How do you guys water these at first? Do you saturate the whole pot as usual, or do I just water it slightly at first? Thanks for the chance to run these, I'll have all of them under a 600 then on to a 1000 watter once they begin a little size to them. I am just scared of saturating them using such large pots for small seedlings. Any advice from auto growers is more than welcome, I will be using SS#4 advanced.

I'm pretty new to autos as well, but I think I did ok last run by just watering lightly (maybe 1/2cup) in a ring around the plant, about midway between the stem and the outer edge. I felt like this kept the roots from drowning, and made them reach out towards the moisture. I use SS #4 as well, with some perlite added, and super basic nutes (DynaGro)
 

green217

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I'm pretty new to autos as well, but I think I did ok last run by just watering lightly (maybe 1/2cup) in a ring around the plant, about midway between the stem and the outer edge. I felt like this kept the roots from drowning, and made them reach out towards the moisture. I use SS #4 as well, with some perlite added, and super basic nutes (DynaGro)
yeah, I was thinking that was the case. "water the plant, not the whole pot"
 

green217

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View attachment 3632711 Oh yea, nothing to show really but two Heisenberg and one dinafem amnesia xxl were planted straight to 15 inch pot. Around 5 gallons a piece filled with super soil.
I get bad germination rates sometimes when i pop them in soil, since I switched to the paper towel method all seems well. I was planning on sticking it in a RR after it pops, that is my normal routine.
 

whitebb2727

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I get bad germination rates sometimes when i pop them in soil, since I switched to the paper towel method all seems well. I was planning on sticking it in a RR after it pops, that is my normal routine.
I have almost 100% germ rate. I've had the occasional bad seed. They pop but just piddle out or damp off. It happens.

Other than that I normally reccomend putting straight to soil. I just drop mine in knuckle deep hole. I'll tell you a trick for seeds that give you problems. Plant with the point of the seed up. The tap does a u turn when it sprouts and as it grows the shell opens and hangs in the dirt.

If backwards I've seen a couple seeds spin and try to fix itself and run out of energy
 

Mr black thumb

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Week 1from sprout, 1,2,and 3 are doing great, 1and 3 are recieving only water. gonna start with 1/4 strenght nutes on 3 next watering, and 2 is having coconut water and aloe, and as you see there's a number 4... What could that possibly be for you ask? Seed production I have great plans for this plant, the nutes should be here today or tomorrow thanks to the great guys at general organics for helping out. IMG_20160316_081510451.jpg
 

GuyLeDuche

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Week 1from sprout, 1,2,and 3 are doing great, 1and 3 are recieving only water. gonna start with 1/4 strenght nutes on 3 next watering, and 2 is having coconut water and aloe, and as you see there's a number 4... What could that possibly be for you ask? Seed production I have great plans for this plant, the nutes should be here today or tomorrow thanks to the great guys at general organics for helping out. View attachment 3633345
I like your style bud, paper mache cups in a Sterilite bin lol. I'm totally down with the DIY gardener :) Full respect to the people who have it all, but some of us need to get creative ;)


Edit: This is me getting creative with some orphans I couldn't bring myself to cull

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Hard to see, but there's 8 CFLs (4x 2700k 4x 5000k) in $1 turkey trays with DIY fixtures. I had that cheapo modular rack meant to grow tomatoes in with perfect gridded metal shelves, just begging to be converted to a closet micro-scrog :) Can't really see it, but there's a 6" duct behind the power strip with a 220cfm booster fan pushing air in.
 
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Mr black thumb

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I like your style bud, paper mache cups in a Sterilite bin lol. I'm totally down with the DIY gardener :) Full respect to the people who have it all, but some of us need to get creative ;)


Edit: This is me getting creative with some orphans I couldn't bring myself to cull

View attachment 3633354

Hard to see, but there's 8 CFLs (4x 2700k 4x 5000k) in $1 turkey trays with DIY fixtures. I had that cheapo modular rack meant to grow tomatoes in with perfect gridded metal shelves, just begging to be converted to a closet micro-scrog :) Can't really see it, but there's a 6" duct behind the power strip with a 220cfm booster fan pushing air in.
Get creative and throw out the Dyna grow buy a bubbler and experiment with teas the quality and health of your plant will be all the proof you need. This tomato plant has been in this 4 inch pot since October and still producing fruits due to creativity 2'tall 3'wide just loving the creativity..:lol:IMG_20160316_101908146.jpg
 

UniDragon

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Just dropped mine in paper towels today, and the triangle too. These will be my first auto grow. I usually up pot, but I'm under the impression that You put these in their final pots, no up potting. I am a little concerned about watering them when they are so small in large containers, I can go 3gallon or 5gallon smart pot. How do you guys water these at first? Do you saturate the whole pot as usual, or do I just water it slightly at first? Thanks for the chance to run these, I'll have all of them under a 600 then on to a 1000 watter once they begin a little size to them. I am just scared of saturating them using such large pots for small seedlings. Any advice from auto growers is more than welcome, I will be using SS#4 advanced.
For what it is worth, I use a 60cc syringe for watering. You can drizzle the water/nutes where you want it, get underneath the plant and strategically put the water exactly where you want it and you won't have to worry about washing away too much soil at the same time. It also works great fro seedlings and young plants.
 

green217

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I have almost 100% germ rate. I've had the occasional bad seed. They pop but just piddle out or damp off. It happens.

Other than that I normally reccomend putting straight to soil. I just drop mine in knuckle deep hole. I'll tell you a trick for seeds that give you problems. Plant with the point of the seed up. The tap does a u turn when it sprouts and as it grows the shell opens and hangs in the dirt.

If backwards I've seen a couple seeds spin and try to fix itself and run out of energy
Maybe i just ran into a batch of bad seeds, used to pop all of them in soil. and at least 80-90% would pop, I got some DNA White Widow 3fems and none popped. And only a few others out of that shipment popped too. Including some RP gear (POG). After that one hugely disappointing germination rate I switched to the paper towels and get around 90-95% germination rates now.
 

bertaluchi

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So I'm pretty interested in seeding a Heisenberg have some questions
1. Do you spray all bud sites for optimal seed production or does half the plant stay female for pollination?
2. How do you cross a photoperiod plant with a auto to get feminised auto seeds?
I have looked at some articles on this but I believe its not real trust worthy maybe it is ? That's why I'm asking
I have some huge yielding plants that would be great to introduce to a smaller auto because of the fast flower.
Thanks guys I appreciate any and all info
If you are going the colloidal silver rout you will want to spray just one branch. That branch will then produce pollen sacks. You could either catch that pollen (most people use small pieces of aluminum foil under the sack) or if the plant still has time to go you could just dust your plant with the pollen and have feminized seeds of that plant. Now for what you are trying to do you would either collect the pollen or put the flowering female you want to breed with in the same area as your pollen producing female. Now creating a stable auto flower version of those 2 plants it much more difficult. It involves back crossing and selecting the best plants for future generations. That's not really my bag but if you go to the Advanced Cultivation area on this site there is a sub-forum called breeders paradise. Those guys could probably answer your breeding questions better than a pollen chucker like me.
 
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