The UK Growers Thread!

[IC3M4L3]

only reason i askd gboy was ive known people apply for them fings, get refused but stil get stung for 50-90quid ''brokers fee''

yeh n wen u get em, they can take ther money even if u cancel your debit card,,, we did it once neevr again,

we also buy a lot online and some companys dont take thrmoney for ages, and the bank doenst make it unavailable, so you think its been paid for then 2 weeks later wham! money outa yer bank,,, if ring ya bank, toaday fast they can reverse watever payments been taken, but u must get intouch the same sday, wer with llloyds and have done it many time, if its charges for shit then tel them its beenfit money and they cant touch it for fees 9true) they will also return it..

but sound slike its a payment for summert dd or alike, ring bank and get em to reverse the payment

as for game difficulties, diffrent levels of hardnes give you diffrent shit, like "the last of us" on easy and mesium you get a special hearing abiolity,, on hard u dont, on other games, also the same but diffrent obviously, MLL also the same..

dont do pc gaming part form san andreas, il stik to consoles for games and pc for endoing and such,, use it for wat its menna be for,, pc gaming is the best i agree, but fuk that, id ratehr put sum stress on me pc, gaming doenst do that

 

[Lemon king]

If you cut out the apical tip of a seed plant before you flip 12/12 (thus effectively flattening the top of the plant out) it will then yield far more than the clone of the same age due to a more even distribution of auxins

The plant has one apical dominant meristem on its trunk that helps the plant to grow vertically. If this dominant meristem is cut off or damaged, one or more lateral meristems will assume dominance, these meristems will start growing faster and the new growth will be lateral. Often several branches will exhibit this behavior after the removal of apical meristem, leading to a bushy growth.


i have herd you mention this before, and i have heard you say that you dont class it as "topping" yet all info i can find is leading me to belive that it is just a fancy name for topping.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apical_dominance?veaction=edit

they also say that clones become weaker over time, what is your stand on this??

personally if you lott are still growing exudous from 87, there cant be that much truth in it?!

 

[newuserlol]

they also say that clones become weaker over time, what is your stand on this??

personally if you lott are still growing exudous from 87, there cant be that much truth in it?![/QUOTE]

and pyschosis from 87 and livers/blues 89

 

[The Yorkshireman]

id rather put sum stress on me pc, gaming doesn't do that

Then you're playing shit games in a crap resolution.

Mine certainly struggles with candy and AA higher than 2x at 1080p.

 

[Lemon king]

UUURGGGGGHHHHHH WOT THE FUCK clones in dwc cloner 3+ weeks swallen base, white nubs even new growth but no roots......missus italin rosmery i leave in a cup of water on the side thats not been washed out from having strong bleech in it...clones rooted with great long roots 2 weeks....fuck anything bar a glass of water me thinks!!!

 

[The Yorkshireman]

The plant has one apical dominant meristem on its trunk that helps the plant to grow vertically. If this dominant meristem is cut off or damaged, one or more lateral meristems will assume dominance, these meristems will start growing faster and the new growth will be lateral. Often several branches will exhibit this behavior after the removal of apical meristem, leading to a bushy growth.


i have herd you mention this before, and i have heard you say that you dont class it as "topping" yet all info i can find is leading me to belive that it is just a fancy name for topping.....

Lol, are you asking me or telling me?


The other lateral branches will only assume an apical dominance if you give the plant long enough for the apical dominance hormone to build up and the plant to grow/stretch into it's new position.

If you cut out the tip a few days before or even on the day of flip 12/12 I guarantee you that the plant won't make another tip before it starts to flower.

1) Because the auxin doesn't work that fast.
2) Apical dominance pretty much ends at the flowering response.

I think next year after the SCROG is done I'm going to make a thread and put this to bed once and for all, I'll do a side by side conventional topping at the 4-5th true node and then do a natural one an pull the tip out at flip.

The plants will look and behave completely different.

 

[WhoGuardsTheGuards]

So my pal comes round last night for a smoke and plays some game, the twat's only gone and put cheats into my Saints Row 3 game (that I've only just started).

"Here you go mate, you'll don through those missions now. Infinite bullets, can't die and millions in the bank"

Oh cheers pal......
I do like to beat a game mi'sen before I cheat, in fact I'm good enough to beat games on the hardest setting now I'm all grown up!

This pal is the guy who won't play Dirt 3 unless the racing/breaking line is on though cos he can't do it otherwise.

He sounds like a tool..

 

[newuserlol]

has anyone played that payday the heist? pretty cool fucking game, runs lovely too on shitty gcards.

 

[WhoGuardsTheGuards]

Lol, are you asking me or telling me?


The other lateral branches will only assume an apical dominance if you give the plant long enough for the apical dominance hormone to build up and the plant to grow/stretch into it's new position.

If you cut out the tip a few days before or even on the day of flip 12/12 I guarantee you that the plant won't make another tip before it starts to flower.

1) Because the auxin doesn't work that fast.
2) Apical dominance pretty much ends at the flowering response.

I think next year after the SCROG is done I'm going to make a thread and put this to bed once and for all, I'll do a side by side conventional topping at the 4-5th true node and then do a natural one an pull the tip out at flip.

The plants will look and behave completely different.

Out of interest, what would the significant difference be between cutting out the apical tip versus low stress training the plant? My understanding is that both will essentially do the same thing i.e activate the dormant auxins in the lateral branches.

 

[Saerimmner]

no mate never had any loans on that account b4

Get a payday loan out mate and then just tell em to go fuck, its unsecured loan so they cant do much to recover it

 

[Lemon king]

Lol, are you asking me or telling me?


The other lateral branches will only assume an apical dominance if you give the plant long enough for the apical dominance hormone to build up and the plant to grow/stretch into it's new position.

If you cut out the tip a few days before or even on the day of flip 12/12 I guarantee you that the plant won't make another tip before it starts to flower.

1) Because the auxin doesn't work that fast.
2) Apical dominance pretty much ends at the flowering response.

I think next year after the SCROG is done I'm going to make a thread and put this to bed once and for all, I'll do a side by side conventional topping at the 4-5th true node and then do a natural one an pull the tip out at flip.

The plants will look and behave completely different.

my bad! i was asking?

but now youve wrote that it makes much more sense, my plants are always well established (5-6week veg dwc) before flip however when i have been topping i have noticed the effect of the hormone being pushed down, equally i have noticed when lower stems / growth is removed growth is stonger at the top from the effects of the hormones. normally i see this "spurt" of new growth in the morning when lights have been off.
But they do take about 3 days to balence its self out, and i have cut tops on day off 12/12 and have noticed they become shit.

what your saying with your method is you can do it the day before flip ??

 

[The Yorkshireman]

has anyone played that payday the heist? pretty cool fucking game, runs lovely too on shitty gcards.

I still want that for PC, I downloaded a few copies of it but couldn't get it to run properly. It was unplayable due to fucked up textures, I've played it on console though it's pretty good.

 

[shawnybizzle]

Well fuck me what a day that's been lol...the cheekiest one was ginger with glasses WTF he should be the quiet one sat in the corner getting poked with sticks I guess racism against gingers has gone out the window these days the pissy fuckers

 

[newuserlol]

I still want that for PC, I downloaded a few copies of it but couldn't get it to run properly. It was unplayable due to fucked up textures, I've played it on console though it's pretty good.

the FLT version works fine m8, its on all the torrent sites, fucking hard game tho lol im now downloading number 2 aswel

 

[imcjayt]

chek out nosteam for games yorky well if u want crak copys.....

 

[The Yorkshireman]

Out of interest, what would the significant difference be between cutting out the apical tip versus low stress training the plant? My understanding is that both will essentially do the same thing i.e activate the dormant auxins in the lateral branches.

Yield is all about the production of 1 auxin (IAA), that auxin is produced most at the apical tip.
If you flatten the plant out so that it doesn't have an apical tip (SCROG) then the auxin IAA is evenly produced across the plant producing even colas as large as the plant genetically can.

If you think about water in a glass, when you tip the glass to the side to pour the water out the water level will stay flat no matter what position the glass is in (Sorry about the analogy, I can't be arsed to draw it).
This is how IAA behaves if apical dominance didn't fuck that up, much like the water in the glass. You can use apical dominance and IAA production to your advantage though without any manipulation and that is by growing trees and hanging bare vertical bulbs around the room at mid tree height.
This puts the light source at the side of the plant making apical dominance turn the plant into a big round bush of large colas.

"Low stress training" is too vague a term (I don't mean by you), it needs to have a purpose otherwise it's pointless.
Too many people go bending, twisting, snapping and tying their plants without actually understanding what they are doing and why.

This technique is the easiest and quickest way of significantly improving yield from a seed plant hands down.
Veg to a decent size, chop the top out and about 4 nodes underneath (top 3rd of the plant, ish), steak up the now upper branches (if needed) and flip the fucker.

Job done.

It's better suited to indica's though as they don't tend to go floppy when they put weight on, less chance of colas snapping off as they swell.

what your saying with your method is you can do it the day before flip ??

Yep, grow it normal up until that point.

 

[imcjayt]

little pic update......soz bout lights......still doing that little experiment with one of each...(topping the tops)...........piked up new car today too woooootttt

 

[imcjayt]

I done a bit of bending after those pics were taken......

 

[imcjayt]

[video=youtube;7cxOpGXYEOA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cxOpGXYEOA[/video].......................

 

[The Yorkshireman]

These new roll and bake croissants aren't bad, not enough butter in the pastry mind and they're not big enough but still not bad for the convenience.



"The choccy goodness are all mine though babe, I DO mean you're not getting a look in!"

lol.