Hydrogrow123
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Zeddd & pics.......NO FUCKIN WAY
The UK Growers Thread!
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HydroGp
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genotype + environment + → phenotype (P)
Pass some clones to me and in my environment they will not look like yours..... You know what just send some clones and lets find out
h uh the magic clone only. Hahaexodus0408
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Get em on haha yh zed was alrite wen send mate I got a pic somewere if ive not already put it on dont know how clear it is as I was rushin lol no biggy tho mate might be cus its been transplanted to soil from cocco should be banging for ya next few days an u noticed how tight yhe nodes are and branchin ??
exodus0408
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Lets av it then haha all plants that are cloned are identical to mother the only factor which can manipulate structure from mother I how far in flower the mother is if u took a clone while the mother was in veg then the clone will be identical. If you take a clone from same mother wen its been put into flower for 2-3wks you ll find it has a stronger structure to the clone than it had the mother !! Other than that you can clone from a clone for decades and it'll be same as wen first cloned hahagenotype + environment + → phenotype (P)
Pass some clones to me and in my environment they will not look like yours..... You know what just send some clones and lets find out
Hence why im the clone only fiend haha
W Dragon
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Alright lads hope your all good?
As far as I'm aware nutes, medium, light and environment will play a big part in how one clone may appear different to another but other than appearance due to the factors above the clone will remain the same.
A couple of years back on this thread there was a similar discussion not about different phenotypes but about the same cuts looking different in different grow rooms, which may very easily confuse those not intelligent to grasp the difference in appearance due to environment.
As for the possibility of there being different pheno's in a cut? (Lol) My vote would be bad or changing conditions making the cuts appear different each grow, also it might be worth noting that if cuttings changed as rapidly as that guy was making out taking cuttings in the first place would be a waste of time as you wouldn't be preserving the plant you just grew which would pretty much make passing cuts of any strain around useless as they would no longer be the same cut!!!
The talk of recessive traits coming to the surface randomly makes me think its poor conditions more than anything else because those growing in good to great conditions with a predicatable strain can easily predict the outcome which isn't the case in bad to terrible conditions which could easily change the plant over generations due to stress and degradation.
Waffling on about bollax now lol shouldn't have started smoking so early.
As far as I'm aware nutes, medium, light and environment will play a big part in how one clone may appear different to another but other than appearance due to the factors above the clone will remain the same.
A couple of years back on this thread there was a similar discussion not about different phenotypes but about the same cuts looking different in different grow rooms, which may very easily confuse those not intelligent to grasp the difference in appearance due to environment.
As for the possibility of there being different pheno's in a cut? (Lol) My vote would be bad or changing conditions making the cuts appear different each grow, also it might be worth noting that if cuttings changed as rapidly as that guy was making out taking cuttings in the first place would be a waste of time as you wouldn't be preserving the plant you just grew which would pretty much make passing cuts of any strain around useless as they would no longer be the same cut!!!
The talk of recessive traits coming to the surface randomly makes me think its poor conditions more than anything else because those growing in good to great conditions with a predicatable strain can easily predict the outcome which isn't the case in bad to terrible conditions which could easily change the plant over generations due to stress and degradation.
Waffling on about bollax now lol shouldn't have started smoking so early.
Don Gin and Ton
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i'm more interested in the recessive traits of the clone onlies than the prominent. crosses of the throwback genes not just chucking kush with kush and getting a new kush. yawn....
exodus0408
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Don was after a big yeilding kush any ideas??
Don Gin and Ton
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plenty. thing is they generally have poor yield. unless you mix big bud or owt critical in there and then you lose potency. would you guys want to see a critical dog kush?! lol
W Dragon
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Would be interesting to see what turned up mate, I personally can't see many taking the time to work it backwards though when like ya said they can just cross X and X and end up with another strain of X, I don't know what goes into a proper breeding programme but a few years back when I did speak to someone who made their own strain they made it sound very complicated and time consuming back crossing and them cubing etc for desired traits.
On a side note I tried that livers cross cheese the other day that I was going to get some cuts of and was very dissapointed with the smoke, it tasted ok like cheese with a possible hint of livers but nothing more and the smoke really didn't compare to either the Exo or the livers, was more on the Exo side but seemed to be lacking in the buzz and flavour, I had a fat joint an within half hour or so felt totally sober after a very mild buzz, I was as polite as I could be and turned the cuts down simply because I don't think it would encourage repeat business I mean it would sell all day long but it wouldn't do very well in repeat because you could smoke so much of it due to the extremely short life of the buzz which is amongst if not the mildest I've ever had, a gram wouldn't keep a smoker happy f
On a side note I tried that livers cross cheese the other day that I was going to get some cuts of and was very dissapointed with the smoke, it tasted ok like cheese with a possible hint of livers but nothing more and the smoke really didn't compare to either the Exo or the livers, was more on the Exo side but seemed to be lacking in the buzz and flavour, I had a fat joint an within half hour or so felt totally sober after a very mild buzz, I was as polite as I could be and turned the cuts down simply because I don't think it would encourage repeat business I mean it would sell all day long but it wouldn't do very well in repeat because you could smoke so much of it due to the extremely short life of the buzz which is amongst if not the mildest I've ever had, a gram wouldn't keep a smoker happy f
exodus0408
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Was lookin towards a true bred kush mate! The critical dog sound interesting tbf haha
welshwizzard
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2 SinMint GSC Fem
6 Sin City Blue Petrol
2 x Aligee Firedog
6 Sin City Blue Petrol
2 x Aligee Firedog
Lemon king
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don do you not think that the cheese smell is the recessive trait, and that exo is the ressesive plant hence clone only, it would also explains why everyone elses cheese is not exo and in 30years its not been replicated....i reckon the smell is ressesive and it gets lost when the strain is crossed (even to itself)......and that's why know ones done it......there is one guy i used to talk to a little his seeds are on the rude and hes a cheese head proper.....claims to have s1 seeds of exo for sale....his name might be kaliman??......
i have a g13 labs cheese on the go....lets see how much exos in that lol
Lemon king
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mainline a couple man you've half done it already......
them blue petrols are looking promising how long till flip man....
welshwizzard
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Yeah gonna start getting a bit more involved, need to start bending shit soon.
welshwizzard
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Had a nightmare week man. Back in wales for a lot longer than I thought I would be so had to get the helper to sort them out.
Ill be round a bit more for them now. Temps were 28 when I got there last night.
They in Coco and Perlite mix. on 12 ml canna a n b, cal mag, epsom. Just stopped enzymes cos they were making the feed look funky. Ph'd to 5.7-6.2.
I need to get humidity and light distance dialed in. Looking at new shoes in a week or so, then flip a week or two after that
zeddd
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the feed looks a bit out to get that colouration, plant sitter drama no doubt....everyones thinks its sooo fukin easy.......we do but only cos of the pain of learning by error, then its all piss easy
Lemon king
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just keep topping the two mains (top em now for four mains then again for 8 in a few days) youll have a flat plant with 8 tops kinda scrog looking...then cut all branches below the Y and use as clones or chuck.... you'll end up with 8 main colas and little waste......
only suggesting because of the strain you growing and you've already got level mains......gotta keep all tops level for mline to work.....
welshwizzard
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It's one of those mate, I was underfeeding to start with, so started bumping it up and now I cant be 100% certain what they had or when they had it as I didnt do it myself.
It's my own fault like. Couldnt be avoided making the trip back home though.
Give it 3 or 4 feeds and I'll have em back on lush green again.