The SCROG vs Buckets...Bubba Kush, SFV OG and more

First off anyone can post on here as long as its not something stupid...

Im currently growing 3 SFV 1 Bubba in 3 Gallon Square Containers

- Soil/ Fox Farm Happy Frog
- RO water with CalMag for Veg using Grow Big FF for flowering going to use Dyna Bloom
- Vegged with 400MH, Flowering with 600HPS

- Issues I first had was Mag Def corrected already..
- Concentration of Nutes goes as follows 6ml of Grow Big and 6ml of Calmag

I trimmed and cloned prior to switching.. I will be posting pics of Flowering from day 1.


Clones.....

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Looks tight, boss. Subbed.

Looking mean, looking green. Your shots underneath the canopy look almost identical to mine. Good luck with the grow, I'm subbed.

Where did you get the clones, if I may ask?

Subscribed!

I clone them myself from cuts I get from others...

Ok does anyone have an idea on how to take HPS photos with an Iphone? Also my buddy found this critter when watered his plants coming out the bottom... any ideas..

put some sunnies over the camera lens jojo see if that helps, some uv blocking sunnies will help, don't know what that critter is, pic bit blocky, looks kinda like a grub of some sort from here, subbed up jojo .....

Critter is a termite. They love to eat dead rotten wood.

yea i figured it was... just trying to figure out how it got in to the soil...

So my cousin is flowering same time as me as well... hes flowering 6 plants in 5 gallon buckets... similar stuff as me.. swears hes going to outperform me... i well also post his stuff up later.... he isnt scroging...

ok now for those analytical growers here's some food for thought... correct me if im wrong...

for soil you want your EC to be 1.0-1.2 roughly is my understanding so far...So I did a little research mind you I have no ppm meter.

For Veg ive been using 5ml of CalMag and 5ml of Grow Big Fox Farm per gallon.

CalMag - 2-0-0

So roughly the ppm for N for this is 13ppm Ca 21ppm and Mg 8ppm total = 42ppm

Grow Big 6-4-4

N - 40ppm
P- 11ppm
K- 21ppm
Mg - 4ppm

76ppm

total ppm is 118 x 2 = 236 which would give me .236 EC

My Veg ratio was 2-1-1 which isn't bad... I have no signs of def, yet the EC seems to 1/4 low.. any input?

p.s Im doing weekly photo updates because i think you'll see more of a difference.

1 week into flowering already encountering a problem anyone?

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hey Jojo! noone has replied yet, so i'll jump in. I'll start with I'm not soil expert at all, so lets get that clear.....to me that looks like nute burn, not a deficiency.. especially the 2nd pic, the tips are blackened I'm thinking to much something, but i don't know what...I'll post a link in my thread for you to see if any fish bite

the leaf looks nice and green. it also depends on which part of the plant this was.....if this was low on the plant and wasn't receiving much light, then that also can do things like that, i get leaves dropping off during the 2nd week of flowering if they don't get any light. do you have some plant pics, maybe show an overall health appearance, that would be a bonus....

i'll get that link happening

Flowa sent me...................looks Mg deficient, early stage, for sure. they eat up a lot of Mg in early flower. perhaps a tsp of Epsom salts in a gallon of water. and........ppm's in soil mean zilch. they only confuse the issue. pick a feeding schedule from your nute supplier, and do 1/2 of the recommended. tweak up if vigorous growth warrants.

can't rep you again Scoglodyte! but you know you earnt it. Thanks for coming over, everyone knows company can help ones grow.

Great information. shows how much i know bout soil!

you got it brutha...............

(Also link following ...)

This doesn't look like your first rodeo per se, but perhaps some good vibes and ponderings will help.

Curious as well what led you to your original declaration on the MG def as noted in the first post and what overall change you applied to correct. Single dose correction or increase in your CalMG up to the current amount? What you did there in way of amend or what not is probably inline with what is happening now.

Some damage will show up later on from those original problems from when they are younger after you flip. Sort of strange but the hit for trying to divert into flowering will again zap and test your soil health/feeding schedule.

Eating Mg like scrogy said is more or less expected. It's one of the curses of RO IMO. RO is great, but so many formulas seem to almost be made for harder water. Hence calmag is always part of your add unless you're getting it from a nute line in heavier doses. Showing up now when you may have only barely corrected your feeding schedule originally would be inline for sure.


Gaging soil feeds off of PPM can be a little off as well. Base charge of some soil mixes (whether intentional or stated correctly), water temp, and all that jazz can really impact resultant PH and absorption rate. Yes, water temps dont matter in some places. Much debate. But when making solutions from nutrient slurries, uneven mixing can occur below some thresholds, etc.

Without being able to stick my fingers in the soil and all that though, I get rather despondent about pics and "remote viewing" (pardon the tinfoil hat implieds) when things like this come up. At least for my old bones, nothing is the same until I can taste and touch it.


Having played with the toys, I found most loose soils that are not over-watered or drench, seem to support the 1 EC range. Or more or less hitting up to 1000 PPM when graduated into it. Most feeds over that amount in smaller containers (5 gallon and less) just lend toward burn or waste. Conditions and strain will flux that to some degree, but that's my take on what to push for. Using bottle amounts for PPM measure doesn't seem to line up most of the time either. But that level of voodoo when it comes to soil just doesn't help me much.


Right, not sure any of that helped, but that's partly why I lurk. Too hard to not ramble or go all OCD with the basic questions.


Cheers.

this was early stages of Ca def during vegging in my last grow which I corrected with CalMg this grow... Mg def using traditional looks like yellowing from the tips and increasing inwards kinda makes the leaf looks like its glowing...

I also posted this issue under plant problems and recieved alot of responses claming to be nute burn, Ive had nute burn before and traditional it happens at the tips and works its way in words, what has me puzzled s the black spots on the inner leaf closest to stem...

It could very well be nute burn as when i switched to flower i increased the CalMg and also added Bloom with some some grow big... I think a flush is needed...

Soil flushes bug me greatly unless something really severe has happened (stoner moments like phone call causes double measure added to water). Just my observation. If I go too hot experimentally on a tea/base charge, flushing tends to have the Miracle Grow effect and lends itself to almost as much if not more damage just from making the imbalance more available. Plus destroying any potential soil web depending on what sort of flush you are thinking.

The spotting etc current does look like a potential Mg def/lockout/nute-calcium imbalance and the yellow out from the previous correction looks like there was a combination. I've seen high N mask an Mg lockout in poor amendment outdoor. Somewhat similar in the basic rust/black spotting with minor burn notes on some leaves. Problem here again is guessing what Fox put in their "uncharged" mix.


Or in a nutshell, I'd not super-flush (or whatever the correct term is for flooding these days) but lean into pure water with calmag first for an extra cycle and see what the soil balance would do.


Just my remote armchair. If you have a different gut feeling, especially with the double whammy bloom/big combo at play, trust your gut some. I know my subconscious mind tends to work at a much higher level than this one typing more often than not.


Cheers and subbed since I've stopped in.


I'd just lend to the camp of minimal nute and charge soils to start with of course. When it comes to flushing that's up to your discretion. Though when doing that consider just highly oxygenated plain water and not the crazy 3x formulas. IME/O you can over-leech some and wind up playing yo-yo more than letting the girls balance out the damage with simple reduction.

Psari - I did not flush, Im doing water w/calmag for next two waterings updates soon.