The perfection of government run health care ...

ViRedd

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Britain apologises for 'Third World' hospital
Mar 18 12:27 PM US/Eastern


The British government apologised Wednesday after a damning official report into a hospital likened by one patient's relative to "a Third World" health centre.


Stafford Hospital in central England was found to have appalling standards of care, putting patients at risk and leading to some dying, according to a report on Tuesday.
Between 400 and 1,200 more people died than would have been expected in a three-year period at the National Health Service (NHS) hospital, according to an investigation by the Healthcare Commission watchdog.


"We do apologise to all those people who have suffered from the mistakes that have been made in the Stafford Hospital," said Prime Minister Gordon Brown, questioned on the matter at his weekly grilling in the House of Commons.

Receptionists with no medical training were left to to assess patients arriving at the hospital's accident and emergency department, the report found.

Julie Bailey, whose 86-year-old mother Bella died in the hospital in November 2007, said she and other family members slept in a chair at her bedside for eight weeks because they were so concerned about poor care.

"What we saw in those eight weeks will haunt us for the rest of our lives," said the 47-year-old. "We saw patients drinking out of flower vases they were so thirsty.

"There were patients wandering around the hospital and patients fighting. It was continuous through the night. Patients were screaming out in pain because you just could not get pain relief.

"It was like a Third World country hospital. It was an absolute disgrace."

The British premier, who has trumpeted huge increases in spending on the NHS since his Labour party took office in 1997, said there were "no excuses" for what happened to patients at the hospital.

Health Secretary Alan Johnson said: "I apologise on behalf of the government and the NHS, for the pain and anguish caused to so many patients and their families by the appalling standards of care at Stafford Hospital.

"Patients will want to be absolutely certain that the quality of care at Stafford Hospital has been radically transformed, and in particular, that the urgent and emergency care is administered safely," he added.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Britain apologises for 'Third World' hospital
Mar 18 12:27 PM US/Eastern


The British government apologised Wednesday after a damning official report into a hospital likened by one patient's relative to "a Third World" health centre.


Stafford Hospital in central England was found to have appalling standards of care, putting patients at risk and leading to some dying, according to a report on Tuesday.
Between 400 and 1,200 more people died than would have been expected in a three-year period at the National Health Service (NHS) hospital, according to an investigation by the Healthcare Commission watchdog.


"We do apologise to all those people who have suffered from the mistakes that have been made in the Stafford Hospital," said Prime Minister Gordon Brown, questioned on the matter at his weekly grilling in the House of Commons.

Receptionists with no medical training were left to to assess patients arriving at the hospital's accident and emergency department, the report found.

Julie Bailey, whose 86-year-old mother Bella died in the hospital in November 2007, said she and other family members slept in a chair at her bedside for eight weeks because they were so concerned about poor care.

"What we saw in those eight weeks will haunt us for the rest of our lives," said the 47-year-old. "We saw patients drinking out of flower vases they were so thirsty.

"There were patients wandering around the hospital and patients fighting. It was continuous through the night. Patients were screaming out in pain because you just could not get pain relief.

"It was like a Third World country hospital. It was an absolute disgrace."

The British premier, who has trumpeted huge increases in spending on the NHS since his Labour party took office in 1997, said there were "no excuses" for what happened to patients at the hospital.

Health Secretary Alan Johnson said: "I apologise on behalf of the government and the NHS, for the pain and anguish caused to so many patients and their families by the appalling standards of care at Stafford Hospital.

"Patients will want to be absolutely certain that the quality of care at Stafford Hospital has been radically transformed, and in particular, that the urgent and emergency care is administered safely," he added.
"no excuses" for what happened to patients at the hospital.

But plenty of explanations.

1. Destruction of Profit Motive, if a for profit hospital was caught treating patients like that it'd find itself bankrupt quickly as a Negative Word of Mouth Campaign Spread out.

2. Lack of Incentive. With out the chance to earn more the doctors at this hospital have no incentive to take more of their time than absolutely necessary.


Oh, yeah... free universal healthcare... what a joke. It would seem that the patients pay twice, once in taxes, and once in their health. Health that gets destroyed by inept bureaucrats.
 

suedonimn

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Free American Health Care = not paying the bill, much simpler. I do not frequent hospitals, except for the fact I deliver blood, but not as a patient. I know from others experience, and from word of mouth, from reliable sources(Doctors and Nurses), that you should always ask for an itemized hospital bill, and you can dispute certain things that are always charged, depending on procedure, but some times not used. You can usually knock off charges for band aids, Q-tips things like that, and at 3 dollars a band aid... you get it.
 

joepro

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nursing homes, the VA and ALL county hospitals is the examples of future healthcare in this country.
the gov't cares so much about you, they want to fill your medical needs?

we really need our caucus to revisit the idea.
how can anyone dispute the fact our gov't wouldn't advance healthcare, but will become its single biggest problem.
In the gov't I trust with my life?...fuck that noise, they can't even keep peanut butter safe.

this none free healthcare we have today, has been one of our biggest budget deficits.
how can this be, if we don't have free healthcare now?
so is the gov't thinking more about your health or how to lower the cost within it's budget?
 

suedonimn

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You must be Medicine Man's bitch. :rolleyes:
Where do you get off? Are you that angry at the world? Did your harvest get ripped off? What? You just show up out of the blue to stir TURDS... take your crap to some other thread... Organics section comes to mind.
 

medicineman

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Since we have never tried a not-for-profit single payer health system, I doubt anyone could project the outcome. Anyone with any sense can surely see the current one only works for the rich, or those with excellent Med ins. When I was a working teamster, I had about the best Insurance money could buy, excellent health care. When I retired, if I had wanted to keep my excellent insurance, (PPO) it would have cost me about 800.00 a month. I chose to go with the HMO plan that was 1/4th that cost, still a lot better than most. I have a 3.00 copay for my primary care and 10.00 per specialist visit, and 5.00 per scrip. Single payer medical would not improve my medical situation, but it sure as hell would improve those 150 million that are uninsured or underinsured, half the country. The only way it could work is to take the profit out, get rid of the insurance thieves and the horrendous HMOs. A country that could invent the Atomic Bomb could surely find a way to make it work.
 

suedonimn

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Med if this loads watch it, it is very short. Tell me how "WE THE PEOPLE" at this point in time ever be able to pay for it... at least right now federal code states no hospital can deny you service, even if you have no means of payment.
 

UserFriendly

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Since we have never tried a not-for-profit single payer health system, I doubt anyone could project the outcome. Anyone with any sense can surely see the current one only works for the rich, or those with excellent Med ins. When I was a working teamster, I had about the best Insurance money could buy, excellent health care. When I retired, if I had wanted to keep my excellent insurance, (PPO) it would have cost me about 800.00 a month. I chose to go with the HMO plan that was 1/4th that cost, still a lot better than most. I have a 3.00 copay for my primary care and 10.00 per specialist visit, and 5.00 per scrip. Single payer medical would not improve my medical situation, but it sure as hell would improve those 150 million that are uninsured or underinsured, half the country. The only way it could work is to take the profit out, get rid of the insurance thieves and the horrendous HMOs. A country that could invent the Atomic Bomb could surely find a way to make it work.
Med if this loads watch it, it is very short. Tell me how "WE THE PEOPLE" at this point in time ever be able to pay for it... at least right now federal code states no hospital can deny you service, even if you have no means of payment.
Someone's on someone else's nuts.
 

joepro

Well-Known Member
Since we have never tried a not-for-profit single payer health system, I doubt anyone could project the outcome. Anyone with any sense can surely see the current one only works for the rich, or those with excellent Med ins. When I was a working teamster, I had about the best Insurance money could buy, excellent health care. When I retired, if I had wanted to keep my excellent insurance, (PPO) it would have cost me about 800.00 a month. I chose to go with the HMO plan that was 1/4th that cost, still a lot better than most. I have a 3.00 copay for my primary care and 10.00 per specialist visit, and 5.00 per scrip. Single payer medical would not improve my medical situation, but it sure as hell would improve those 150 million that are uninsured or underinsured, half the country. The only way it could work is to take the profit out, get rid of the insurance thieves and the horrendous HMOs. A country that could invent the Atomic Bomb could surely find a way to make it work.
med, I agree.
where we disagree is putting the gov't in control. I not against healthcare like medicaid, medicare or the VA, im against how these companies are run.
(run into the ground)
 

suedonimn

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Med if this loads watch it, it is very short. Tell me how "WE THE PEOPLE" at this point in time ever be able to pay for it... at least right now federal code states no hospital can deny you service, even if you have no means of payment.
OOPS!... it won't load, but anyway I am sure you are well aware Med, that our government was bankrupt, and now... I don't know if there is a word for how in debt as a nation we are.
 

medicineman

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med, I agree.
where we disagree is putting the gov't in control. I not against healthcare like medicaid, medicare or the VA, im against how these companies are run.
(run into the ground)
Where we disagree then, is with the government. I see the government as two different entities, the good government, (Yes there is such a thing) and the mostly bad government that spends recklessly our hard earned money without any input from us. In creating this monster, Government medical, They could use a model like the VA, which despite all the bad press over the treatment of returning vets. does a remarkable job of treating vets, they are just a bit underfunded from all the cuts made under the Bush regime. As far as paying for it, it will cost money, no doubt, We must take into account all the money paid to the Insurance companies, all the co-pays, and all the hidden costs one must pay now to obtain medical coverage. If we take the profit out, (who really knows what that figure is) I'm pretty sure the per patient cost will go way down. We are currently the highest per patient cost country in the world, and our treatment quality ranks something like 31st. Improvements can be made with a not for profit system and it can be made cost effective. I propose a citizen watchdog group be made of retired folks like me, no compensation, just the satisfaction that you are helping make health care better for all. Would your taxes go up? Most certainly, but I also propose an opt out clause for those not wanting to participate. But if you get a debilitating disease and are put in a hospital to die, when your insurance runs out, they pull the plug, adios motherfucker.
 

misshestermoffitt

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As if privately run hospitals don't suck.

I know of one who didn't feed a stroke patient for 2 days because the patient couldn't talk because of the stroke and the hospital expected her to call and order her meals. No one informed a family member of this either or they would have called and ordered the meals for her. They thought the meals were brought automatically. The family thought she was getting fed and when they found out she wasn't.......

It was a privately run hospital who was billing at double cost for "out of network" insurance.
 
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