The Never Ending Abuse of Phosphorous (Bloom foods) to Enhance Flowering

UB can u or anyone else answer on how to calculate total npk for this?
Soil A is 2.3-0-2.3 @ 20ml
B is 1-1.1-3.6 @ 20ml
Drip clean 0-18-6 @ 1ml
BudXL 4-0-2 @ 7ml
Fish emulsion 4-1-1 @5ml
Big bud 1-17-38 @ 2 grams powder.
What is my total npk? I added the fish to up the N for definite N def.

Ogsmokealot said:

UB can u or anyone else answer on how to calculate total npk for this?
Soil A is 2.3-0-2.3 @ 20ml
B is 1-1.1-3.6 @ 20ml
Drip clean 0-18-6 @ 1ml
BudXL 4-0-2 @ 7ml
Fish emulsion 4-1-1 @5ml
Big bud 1-17-38 @ 2 grams powder.
What is my total npk? I added the fish to up the N for definite N def.

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a lot of unnecessary stuff if you ask me. stick to the basics. there is no need in all that food ...... they can only eat so much.
that is the definition of "Abuse of Phosphorous"



im not tryin to be a dick , it just seems you want to read more on nutrition to get a better understanding of what a plant needs vs what they want to sell you.







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Ok. Thanks wyte. Should I just stick to the fish emulsion and toss the rest?

Ogsmokealot said:

Ok. Thanks wyte. Should I just stick to the fish emulsion and toss the rest?

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are they in dirt ? how old ? how big ? veg or bloom ?




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Hi guys, im using the biobizz, the grow seems real weak on phosphorous but the bloom seems real weak on nitrogen. Now it is recomended to sweeten the bloom up with some grow for flowering (personal experience the bloom is just a sort of P/K additive with little nitrogen) but in the veg room my plants look a bit heavily nitrogen'ed up if you get what i mean, there healthy but look like they ate a bit to much nitrate nitrogen and lacked a little phosphorous. Is there any reason not to supplement my biobizz grow with a small amount of the biobizz bloom to even the NPK ratios out?

I know my question is kinda visa versa but would be good to get some info back, up to now ive generally seen biobizz bloom as a no-no in the veg time but certainly it might sweeten my grow up.

I think for these reasons im really prefering the results of the biobizz fishmix as oppose to their grow as NPK ratios are slightly more even between the three nutrients. Thanks

This is all the info i could find for ingredients on biobizz, i see no reason why not, maybe im best of trying and seeing -

Biobizz grow
Ammoniacal Nitrogen 1%
Nitrate Nitrogen 1%

Available Phosphate 0.1% P2O5 - Phosphorous Pentoxide
Soluble Potash 6.6% K2O - Potassium Oxide

Derived from Molasses

Biobizz bloom
Ammoniacal Nitrogen 0.5%
Nitrate Nitrogen 0.5%


Available Phosphate 3% P2O5 - Phosphorous Pentoxide
Soluble Potash 2% K2O - Potassium Oxide


Sea Kelp (Ascophyllum Nodosum) and Humic Acid from Leonardite

Kingrow1 said:

Hi guys, im using the biobizz, the grow seems real weak on phosphorous but the bloom seems real weak on nitrogen. Now it is recomended to sweeten the bloom up with some grow for flowering (personal experience the bloom is just a sort of P/K additive with little nitrogen) but in the veg room my plants look a bit heavily nitrogen'ed up if you get what i mean, there healthy but look like they ate a bit to much nitrate nitrogen and lacked a little phosphorous. Is there any reason not to supplement my biobizz grow with a small amount of the biobizz bloom to even the NPK ratios out?

I know my question is kinda visa versa but would be good to get some info back, up to now ive generally seen biobizz bloom as a no-no in the veg time but certainly it might sweeten my grow up.

I think for these reasons im really prefering the results of the biobizz fishmix as oppose to their grow as NPK ratios are slightly more even between the three nutrients. Thanks

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fishmix is great .

Yes you can mix your foods up , just be careful with the measurements. (im sure you know that)

ANYTIME your plant needs something else , give it to it. just mix a tiny bit of bloom in your grow an vise verca.







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Kingrow1 said:

Biobizz grow
Ammoniacal Nitrogen 1%
Nitrate Nitrogen 1%

Available Phosphate 0.1% P2O5 - Phosphorous Pentoxide
Soluble Potash 6.6% K2O - Potassium Oxide

Derived from Molasses

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bloom looks good but i think the grow is molasses . thats not enough N for veg at all.

you sure that grow is not just a "root supplement" or "soil toner" ?






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Thankyou, for some reason i feel i have felt that the bloom would be bad in small amounts with the grow in the veg period but plants look very nitrate nitrogen fed and seemingly slightly Phosphorous deficient. I agree the fishmix is great, much better results than the grow as a one part veg nute but still a little incomplete NPK wise for me. Using bothe the bloom and fish for all stages flowering and veg would make a lot of sense. Thanks

wyteboi said:

bloom looks good but i think the grow is molasses . thats not enough N for veg at all.

you sure that grow is not just a "root supplement" or "soil toner" ?soil

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There is little info on biobizz, the grow seems like molasses but with somthing else but again very little info, heres what i know about the root juice

Sea Kelp 15% Ascophyllum Nodosum
Humic acid 30% Leonardite

The biobizz veg NPK is like 8-2-6 so must be quite good N wise and also equal Nitrate and Ammoniacal nitrogen (although any knowledge i have of these is small and probably misunderstood) but as you can see really sucks for Phosphorous and im sure i can see a Phosphorous deficiency slightly.

I will try some bloom in the veg room and see the results, should be an easy test and good experience for using it as a two part nute outside of flowering. Peace

this says 8-2-6 on the grow ? an 2-6-3.5 on the bloom ? that looks like a good one part food for veg ? maybe you have a hydro version of biobizz?







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wyteboi said:

this says 8-2-6 on the grow ? an 2-6-3.5 on the bloom ? that looks like a good one part food for veg ? maybe you have a hydro version of biobizz?
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Sorry what i posted was the percentages listed for each nutrient, i believe the NPK ratios are different, the 2% nitrogen in the grow gives an 8 for the NPK i doubt it takes into consideration all the nitrates but yer this seems right. Sorry if ive confused things, my biobizz is 8nitrogen NPK but the percentage is 2% or so the biobizz recomended retailers and grow shops that sell the nutes post. I cannot find any other info on ingredients, makeup and NPK other than this. Peace

Maybe i have just written it not so clearly, the three NPK numbers dont add up to 100% this would be where the grow gets the 2% (1%Ammoniacal and Nitrate) Nitrogen from, i think the maths are rounded up and down but generally is not 2% of 100% 10 or close to 8 (i think the actual nitrogen is more like 1,8 percent or 1.6, tooo tired to do the actual maths) biobizz just call it 2% or the grow shops for ease i suppose. Peace and thanks

I've been using BioBizz Grow and Bloom for a while, and this is how I've come to understand the real NPK values.

PLEASE someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The percentage of P and K is not what it says on the bottle, it has to be calculated.
This is because:
P2O5 consists of 56.4 % oxygen and 43.6% elemental phosphorus.
K2O consists of 17% oxygen and 83% elemental potassium.
Example: the percentage is 83% for K, so K= 0.83 * K2O.

Real NPK contents:

BioBizz Grow NPK 8 - 2 - 6:

N 8% = 4% ammonium-Nitrogen, and 4% nitrate-Nitrogen.
P 2% = 0.87 % P
K 6% = 4.98 % K

Conclusion: BioBizz Grow is 8 - 0.87 - 4.98 (or 1 - 0.1 - 0.6)


BioBizz Bloom NPK 2 - 6 - 3.5:

N 2%: 0.9% ammonium-Nitrogen and 1.1 % nitrate Nitrogen.
P 6%: 2.62%
K 3.5%: 2.91%

Conclusion: BioBizz Bloom is 2 - 2.6 - 2.9 (or 1 - 1.3 - 1.4)

Mr.Grønn;6534441 said:

I've been using BioBizz Grow and Bloom for a while, and this is how I've come to understand the real NPK values.

PLEASE someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The percentage of P and K is not what it says on the bottle, it has to be calculated.
This is because:
P2O5 consists of 56.4 % oxygen and 43.6% elemental phosphorus.
K2O consists of 17% oxygen and 83% elemental potassium.
Example: the percentage is 83% for K, so K= 0.83 * K2O.

Real NPK contents:

BioBizz Grow NPK 8 - 2 - 6:

N 8% = 4% ammonium-Nitrogen, and 4% nitrate-Nitrogen.
P 2% = 0.87 % P
K 6% = 4.98 % K

Conclusion: BioBizz Grow is 8 - 0.87 - 4.98 (or 1 - 0.1 - 0.6)


BioBizz Bloom NPK 2 - 6 - 3.5:

N 2%: 0.9% ammonium-Nitrogen and 1.1 % nitrate Nitrogen.
P 6%: 2.62%
K 3.5%: 2.91%

Conclusion: BioBizz Bloom is 2 - 2.6 - 2.9 (or 1 - 1.3 - 1.4)

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I can dig this but i need verification or tomorrow nights gona involve a lot of study in P and K, freaking Nitrogen was hard enough to nail with the Nitrate and Ammoniacal etc etc
Damn you Rollitup you make me have to learn so much, plants appreciate you though. Peace

wyteboi said:

are they in dirt ? how old ? how big ? veg or bloom ?




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im current in 6wks bloom. Did a micro gro in 2ltr bottles. Vegged for only a week 35 bottles. 3 different strains ranging from 12 inches to 3 ft. using 2 lights, 600hps and 400hps together. going 10 weeks.

Btw. Im in ff ocean forrest mixed with happy from and 1/3 perilite. I also use orca for beneficials.

Ogsmokealot said:

Btw. Im in ff ocean forrest mixed with happy from and 1/3 perilite. I also use orca for beneficials.

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I meant happy frog.

dick murphy said:

wow to technical for me i like to keep it simple like others said why lose sleep over it

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I dont MOROON!

Kingrow1 said:

I can dig this but i need verification or tomorrow nights gona involve a lot of study in P and K, freaking Nitrogen was hard enough to nail with the Nitrate and Ammoniacal etc etc
Damn you Rollitup you make me have to learn so much, plants appreciate you though. Peace

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i lost my WHOLE post . fuck!

well i'll try again.

well all the readin an learnin is why we are gonna be the best one day !

alright the way i look at it is simple. yes the npk reads in 100% of the bottle. (so 8% of that bottle is N)

so 8 % total of N ...... 4% of that is "instant food" (the nitrate N is already broken down an availible for the plants to eat) the other 4 % is ammoniacal N an still needs the microbes to break it down the rest of the way.

same goes for the P an K ..... the bottle should read the % of P thats available an the % that is there but not broke down yet.

either way the NPK numbers are all we need to know (basically)

your grow mix is 8-2-6 , thats perfect for veg ....plenty of N. even if the numbers are slightly different , the ratio stays real close to the same.

i dont know where MR. got his numbers from but they are probably correct .... no big deal.


i would not mix the grow an bloom till flower time ..... or when they need the extra P.






hope that helps a lil ..... or your just as confused as i am







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Ogsmokealot said:

im current in 6wks bloom. Did a micro gro in 2ltr bottles. Vegged for only a week 35 bottles. 3 different strains ranging from 12 inches to 3 ft. using 2 lights, 600hps and 400hps together. going 10 weeks.

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which brand of A an B are you using. you got plenty of food for veg but i dont see nothin with good ratio's for flower. the bloom food you have is all just "boosters" not an everyday diet.

how big are they an are they in dirt ? i would probably just use the a an b an add a tiny , tiny bit of booster maybe once a week or less.

are they real dark green an healthy ?





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