The Lost Art of Foliar Feeding

thethcfarm3r said:

Thank You to you too !

However; HeartLandHank in fact explain a little bit more in depth the answers to my concerns. But I've been reading most of yur post and learning from your experience too. Don't be jealous, you are a Mr Miyagi to me "You know the plant"

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Again, what are you trying to accomplish? Are you wanting to push your plants thinking that more is better?

Do you recommend Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro ? I've always have N deficient most of the time. I use most AN(Sensi) and GH (Lucas) for some reason N always is depleted before I reach week 4th.

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Yes, you will be N deficient if you use cannabis specific vendors like Canna, Foxfarms, Humboldt, AN, Lucas, etc. They just can't seem to get their heads wrapped around the idea that N is the most important element for pot. Even most of the typical "grow" foods, those "designed" to support foliage production, have more K than N. I'm been trying to figure out their lack of plant nutrition knowledge for ages. Doesn't matter though, I wouldn't use a "cannabis specific" product if I had to.

Tio Ben, I have another question. What usually do you do to correct N def. ? Can I top dress Blood Meal or is too much because I'm in flowering ?

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I can tell you what I did, literally, 30 minutes ago. I mixed about 2 Tblsp. of UAN (urea and ammonium nitrate), which is a liquid form of 33-0-0, and a pinch of copperas aka iron sulfate and epsom salts in about 2 or so gallons of water and drenched 5 gallon pots with about 1/2 gal. each. I'm getting too much leaf drop due to too much N leaching. I know what you're thinking, "but, but....... if you use too much N during flowering won't it cut down on yields and delay the flowering response". Uh.....no. You can either use a common sense approach...... realizing that it's green healthy leaves that drive bud production...... or you can sit there and watch your leaves drop because some RIU nitwit recommended AN Sensi food applications which induce leaf yellowing, the precursor to leaf necrosis. Learn the concept of nutrient antagonism. http://www.totalgro.com/concepts.htm Most of these foods are way too high in K which blows out N, Ca, and Mg; all extremely essential elements for plant health.

Blood meal is fine to correct leaf yellowing/necrosis, it is a fast acting organic source of N and yes, it can burn if over applied. I always throw some into my custom soil mixes along with an encapsulated, 12 month, 18-4-9 with micros. In a 3 - 5 gal. pot, using a fork, scratch in about 1 level Tbsp. of blood meal into the top 1/2" of soil and water in well (with rainwater if you have it as it contains beneficial microbes). Depending on temps the N will be converted into a nitrate salt that the plant can uptake, usually within about 4 days.

You can buy UAN at a feed store. Probably the best source of N available, cheap too. A 30-10-10 Azalea/Camellia water soluble food works well too.

Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro should be in everyone's tool box. It's a complete 9-3-6, 16 elements.

UB

This is my situation at the moment. This is a White Widow at her 3rd week of flowering. I just spray her with water to wash off the nutrient solution I spray to her around 2 hour ago.

This plant got me by surprise. She is a 'N' eater !

I use Milogranite (5-2-0) in my Lawn, Tio. I've been tempted into using it with the plants. Any thoughts ?

Thanks in advanced

no its too late to foliar feed give it a thin thin top layer of N based stuff like composed manure and water it in

Nizza said:

no its too late to foliar feed give it a thin thin top layer of N based stuff like composed manure and water it in

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Since the bud are swelling, I will stop the foliar for the moment. Right now, I did prepare a solution mix with a another plant food around my house 10-10-10. Is not too much left, hopefully will be enough to jump start the 'N' until she do her thing.

Thanks

thethcfarm3r said:

This is my situation at the moment. This is a White Widow at her 3rd week of flowering. I just spray her with water to wash off the nutrient solution I spray to her around 2 hour ago.

This plant got me by surprise. She is a 'N' eater !

I use Milogranite (5-2-0) in my Lawn, Tio. I've been tempted into using it with the plants. Any thoughts ?

Thanks in advanced
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I just spent 30 minutes drafting post 461 and you're asking me for my thoughts?

Last thoughts for me as I seem to not be getting thru. Your plants are toast. You have leaf margin/tip burn brought on by the foliar feeding (I warned you guys), chlorosis, and severe leaf yellowing with impending leaf drop. IOW, you can just kiss any photosynthesis goodbye and as a result will have poor yields.

Less is more,
UB

This is a large plant going into about week 6. See how dark green she is? See how fat those colas are and will finish out to be? Those leaves remained in that green, productive, healthy condition until harvest and as a result the yields were excellent as you can see in the 2nd photo.





UB

Uncle Ben said:

I just spent 30 minutes drafting post 461 and you're asking me for my thoughts?

Last thoughts for me as I seem to not be getting thru. Your plants are toast. You have leaf margin burn brought on by the foliar feeding (I warned you guys), chlorosis, and severe leaf yellowing with impending leaf drop. IOW, you can just kiss any photosynthesis goodbye and as a result will have poor yields.

Less is more,
UB

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I really don't know what is up with you today Sr. but you are one sensitive farmer to my perception. "Perception is reality"

Thanks for the answers so far. However; your social traits are like the levels of 'N' in my plant Zero, Nada ! For some reason, I feel like am dealing with Family (LMAO) and still got a lot of respect to your advices.

I simply asked for your thoughts with the Milogranite, fertilizer. Nothing else. I did post a picture so you can have a clear view of my situation, not to be judge. As you can see in my original post in this thread,

thethcfarm3r said:

Good Evening !

Can I foliar in a daily basis ? Right now I do it once a week and very shy. ........ but I have never corrected deficiencies with foliar. For some reason it seems doesn't work for me. I usually fix the problems at the root. However; I have to mention my foliar solution is no higher than 300ppm (5-3-6).

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The whole purpose of Foliar Feeding to me is to have something to do to the plant on a daily basis. Growing is my passion and I enjoy learning every single day. That's it ! To be honest with you Tio, I'm not after the Biggest Yield ever. I'm after learning and learing and do what I love. But I have to mention I love trying new things. I know you have your point of view about growing. I would like to think there is new ways of using our innovations to improve what is already good.

Thanks

Uncle Ben said:

This is a large plant going into about week 6. See how dark green she is? See how fat those colas are and will finish out to be? Those leaves remained in that green, productive, healthy condition until harvest and as a result the yields were excellent as you can see in the 2nd photo.

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That train x sweet tooth is fucking beautiful. My sweet tooth would not yield big numbers for me. My buds look almost exactly like those, but small. Also the growth was so dense powdery mildew was a problem every summer. It looks like Trainwreck is the answer.
Did you pick those up from a breeder in the seed market?

thethcfarm3r said:

Thank You to you too !

However; HeartLandHank in fact explain a little bit more in depth the answers to my concerns.

(EDIT, should read like thisTo Tio Ben, I've been reading most of yur post and learning from your experience too. Don't be jealous, you are a Mr Miyagi to me "You know the plant"

Do you recommend Dyna-Gro Foliage Pro ? I've always have N deficient most of the time. I use most AN(Sensi) and GH (Lucas) for some reason N always is depleted before I reach week 4th.

Tio Ben, I have another question. What usually do you do to correct N def. ? Can I top dress Blood Meal or is too much because I'm in flowering ?

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What is that you are asking? What are your concerns?

I gathered from your post that the foliar feeding was a personal enjoyment thing for you. Not an attempt to uncover a master technique. I get that idea. I am the same way with many things, like fishing, basketball, and playing music. Not my special garden though. I was just pointing out the obstacles that would get in your way. Another way to say that would be pointing out to you why daily foliar feeding will most likely harm your plants.

If you are in it to enjoy though... and foliar feeding daily is more enjoyable to you than a bumper crop... go for it.

Uncle Ben can offer you WAY more advice than I can. Like I said, start up your own thread on it and I'll bet you get some foliar feeding fans who will jump in on it. You have to understand most people here are thinking from a efficiency view. Not afternoons in the garden, enjoying a cocktail and spraying leaves. That's why you'll meet some resistance in the idea. Like showing up to a jazz club and playing you are my sunshine. It's just not what usually goes down here.

I would say that if you are going to foliar feed every day, be prepared for powdery mildew. Also, grow stretchy strains (Haze) that are far less susceptible to PM than say... Critical Mass, Romulan, etc. Definitely don't grow Romulan. It would be a disaster. Promise. I've had some bad Powdery Mildew problems in the past. A very hazey Super Silver Haze plant was touching a plant that was destined for the garbage and the SSH plant had no mildew. So what I am saying is... you'll want to grow very PM resistant plants. There will be other problems as well though. Like Uncle Ben brought up... photsynthesis will not be a shining point in your garden... Terrible excuse for a pun only partially intended.

HeartlandHank said:

What is that you are asking? What are your concerns?

I gathered from your post that the foliar feeding was a personal enjoyment thing for you. Not an attempt to uncover a master technique. I get that idea. I am the same way with many things, like fishing, basketball, and playing music. Not my special garden though. I was just pointing out the obstacles that would get in your way. Another way to say that would be pointing out to you why daily foliar feeding will most likely harm your plants.

If you are in it to enjoy though... and foliar feeding daily is more enjoyable to you than a bumper crop... go for it.

Uncle Ben can offer you WAY more advice than I can. Like I said, start up your own thread on it and I'll bet you get some foliar feeding fans who will jump in on it. You have to understand most people here are thinking from a efficiency view. Not afternoons in the garden, enjoying a cocktail and spraying leaves. That's why you'll meet some resistance in the idea. Like showing up to a jazz club and playing you are my sunshine. It's just not what usually goes down here.

I would say that if you are going to foliar feed every day, be prepared for powdery mildew. Also, grow stretchy strains (Haze) that are far less susceptible to PM than say... Critical Mass, Romulan, etc. Definitely don't grow Romulan. It would be a disaster. Promise. I've had some bad Powdery Mildew problems in the past. A very hazey Super Silver Haze plant was touching a plant that was destined for the garbage and the SSH plant had no mildew. So what I am saying is... you'll want to grow very PM resistant plants. There will be other problems as well though. Like Uncle Ben brought up... photsynthesis will not be a shining point in your garden... Terrible excuse for a pun only partially intended.

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Just because I like to understand. What all that means ? I said to you 'THANK YOU A MILLION'

The one with a little bit of sensitivity was Uncle Ben. You answer all my questions ! TY

HeartlandHank said:

- you could foliar feed on a daily basis. But even with optimal exhaust i would think you would end up with powdery mildew. I would think the buildup on the leaves would start to harm at some point.

- Most companies selling you something for your plant will tell you to use it up until harvest. unless it would be very harmful to you. if they had a believable reason to tell you to use it after harvest they probably would. I don't think that organic are more likely to say that... but if they are organic it probably says so on the bottle, bag, box, whatever.

- organic doesn't mean safer to consume, despite popular belief.

- water would be the best thing to use for washing the leaves as far as i know. it makes sense. spraying with water also sort of "flushes" the leaves of nutrients from what i understand. so i guess it's a little counter productive. maybe look into using a zyme, like hygrozyme. that's just a guess, i have no clue.

- i believe the "polisher" is more about giving the leaf a film like layer. I do not believe neem will clean your leaves. the opposite actually.

Daily foliar feeding sounds like a disaster in the making to me. Even if you did it every other day, and even with low rh and good exhaust, I am almost positive you will end up with some powdery mildew. That's just my opinion though.

Fuck it, try it out. Start a thread up and you will probably get more in on the discussion. i can tell you now you will have a lot of people tell you it's a bad idea. im pretty much one of them. but i am always up to discussing and trying new things.

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thethcfarm3r said:

Since the bud are swelling, I will stop the foliar for the moment.

Thanks

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THank YOU ! 1Mil Times !

What's strain are you smoking tonight ?

HeartlandHank said:

That train x sweet tooth is fucking beautiful. My sweet tooth would not yield big numbers for me. My buds look almost exactly like those, but small. Also the growth was so dense powdery mildew was a problem every summer. It looks like Trainwreck is the answer.
Did you pick those up from a breeder in the seed market?

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A friend gifted those to me years ago. Plant is easy to grow, yields were excellent, heavy trichome field, potency fair to good. I wouldn't pay for them.

thethcfarm3r said:

Just because I like to understand. What all that means ? I said to you 'THANK YOU A MILLION'

The one with a little bit of sensitivity was Uncle Ben. You answer all my questions ! TY





THank YOU ! 1Mil Times !

What's strain are you smoking tonight ?

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Sorry man, I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Basically i was just saying that like taking a unicycle to work when you have a bmw in the garage, you will run in to issues going the hard way rather than the safe time tested way. but I understand enjoying the thrill of a one wheeled ride. Do it up.

I've been smoking on some bubble hash made from a 12 week super hazey Super Silver Haze cross from Bean Ho, Hempdepot. Bean Ho crossed a 9 wk "classic" SSH pheno to a 12 week "super hazey" SSH. Both were selected from a large seed population of Mr Nice SSH. It was a great pack of seeds. Still have two plants from that pack.

I'm regretting making this much bubble rather than dry sieving it. I like the taste, burn and high of dry hash so much more than water hash.

Uncle Ben said:

A friend gifted those to me years ago. Plant is easy to grow, yields were excellent, heavy trichome field, potency fair to good. I wouldn't pay for them.

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I got you. Just checking to see if it was easily obtainable. I would love to replace my Sweet Tooth plant with something a little more ideal, like what you have there.

HeartlandHank said:

I got you. Just checking to see if it was easily obtainable. I would love to replace my Sweet Tooth plant with something a little more ideal, like what you have there.

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I haven't bought seeds in many many years. Back then, there wasn't near the number of seedbanks, just a handful, and the amount of knockoffs of knockoffs was limited. I like The Flying Dragon stock and Sagamartha stock. Backcrossed stuff like O. Haze, Peak19, Bros. Grimm Cindy, etc. Am growing a Peak19 backcross and looking at it you'd swear it was pure sativa. I assume it's the Cambodian phenotype coming out. Stonehedge X Matanuska Tundra if memory serves me correct. Most phenotypes have been indica and smelled like skunk weed.

i foliar with very light silica and sea kelp, also with Fish hydrolysate !

Apparently amino acids are good as a foilar also.

Effect of Foliar Spraying with Amino Acids and Seaweed Extract on Growth Chemical Constitutes, Yield and its
Quality of Celeriac Plant

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http://www.eurojournals.com/EJSR_58_2_12.pdf

The heaviest green and root yield were concomitant with using the higher level of seaweed extract as the best treatment, which significantly overcome other studied spraying treatments. Such
increment might be due that seaweed extract is a biostmulant, which provide the celeriac plant with
micro, macro nutrients and significant amounts of cytokinins, auxins and betaines (Blunden et al.,
1991) which increase the chlorophyll production by boosting the photosynthetic process, thereby
stimulating vegetative growth. So that, plant performance would be improved accordingly and reflect
on its productivity.

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Uncle Ben said:

I haven't bought seeds in many many years. Back then, there wasn't near the number of seedbanks, just a handful, and the amount of knockoffs of knockoffs was limited. I like The Flying Dragon stock and Sagamartha stock. Backcrossed stuff like O. Haze, Peak19, Bros. Grimm Cindy, etc. Am growing a Peak19 backcross and looking at it you'd swear it was pure sativa. I assume it's the Cambodian phenotype coming out. Stonehedge X Matanuska Tundra if memory serves me correct. Most phenotypes have been indica and smelled like skunk weed.

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Checked out some pictures of the Peak19 around the webs. Pretty stuff. Sagamartha is one i have not tried yet. I got some bubble berry x big bud clones a looong time ago. Put them out doors. I did not get much info on them from the source, but from looking around years later I wondered if those were from Sagamartha stock. Possibly the source crossed it..

I saw some Apollo Mist from Sagamartha photos a while back, not for sale though. I would love to get my hands on those seeds. No luck thus far. C99 genetics have been lacking here for the past year. I loved the pressure behind the eyes, rush high some of the apollo offered.

All I can suggest is to find something you like and backcross it so you don't have to worry about the hassle of buying seeds anymore. They're all mutts with a few exceptions. I'm growing O. Haze now, ten year old original seeds from TFD, and they're about as pure sativa as it gets. Topped again today plus used a PGR drench to help shorten the internodes regarding the stretch which has recently kicked into high gear.

Why dishsoap? Sanitation purposes? =S

Edit: It makes the spray stick?

Uncle Ben said:

All I can suggest is to find something you like and backcross it so you don't have to worry about the hassle of buying seeds anymore. They're all mutts with a few exceptions. I'm growing O. Haze now, ten year old original seeds from TFD, and they're about as pure sativa as it gets. Topped again today plus used a PGR drench to help shorten the internodes regarding the stretch which has recently kicked into high gear.

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Sorry i missed this further back enjoying this thread though, uncle ben what is PGR it sounds like it does good things! JB