Ace11
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Just because we smoke weed doesnt mean we have to write in retard ebonics, please speak english its much easier to read when stoned
The Lost Art of Foliar Feeding
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Just because we smoke weed doesnt mean we have to write in retard ebonics, please speak english its much easier to read when stoned
spl1
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Some of my favorite books are:
Reader's Digest Success with House Plants
Plant Propagation A to Z
Rodale Book of Composting for the organic guys
Gardening how to magazine
Farmer's Almanac outdoor growers
Secrets of Plant Propagation
Hemp Diseases and Pests Management and Biological Control An Advanced Treatise http://www.4shared.com/document/vku6...ts_Manage.html i made this into a PDF file for people to down load this hard to find and very expensive book.
Here is something I am writing for my book and I use for the classes I teach here in Colorado.
The Organic Composistion of Plants and the Effects of Nutrients
It was tough thinking of were to put this thread , but after thinking about it I felt it would best be placed here in the newbie station.
For a plant to develop properly, you must feed it all the necessary elements. The main four elements that all living organism, this occurs naturally, but most people rarely think about them when looking at plant nutrients. I would stress the lack of any of the four elements will kill your plants. Feeding them a well balanced diet will keep them happy.
The Nutrient Chain of Command that plants want in order are:
Oxygen, CO2, H20, Light, Marco Nutrients, and Micro Nutrients
Plants are only as strong as the weakest link.
The Four Basic Elements
Carbon (C):
Carbon is the back bone of all plants, it can be found in every cell wall as bio molecules, sugar being made by chlorophyll, and in chlorophyll it self. Carbon is fixed through photosynthesis from carbon dioxide in the air and is in 50% of a plant's dry weight.
Hydrogen (H):
Hydrogen plays a key role in chemical which helps roots uptake nutrients. Hydrogen also is essential for the formation of sugars and starches that keep the plant feed, it is easily obtained from water.
Water keeps all plants rigid, the way it does this is called Turgor pressure.
Oxygen (O):
Oxygen is essential in cellular respiration, this is a process of generating energy rich adenosine triphosphate (ATP). When consumption sugars are produced in photosynthesis, plants produce oxygen gas when photosynthesis produce sugar (glucose). Oxygen is required for the complete aerobic cellular respiration in a chain reaction that breaks down sugars and produces ATP.
Nitrogen (N):
Nitrogen is the reason for the formation of amino acids, co-enzymes and chlorophyll.
Macro Nutrients
Your plants absorb large quantities of Marco nutrients from all growing media or nutrient solution. The best way to remember the Macro nutrients is N-K-P, you will finds this printed on every bag, box, or bottle of plant food on the market.
Nitrogen (N)
Nitrogen is the building blocks of all proteins in a plant.
Deficiency:
Include spindly plants with small yellowish leaves, Some parts of plants will turn purple, stunted growth.
Toxicity:
Exclusive growth, dark green leaves and delayed bud growth. Plants become more susceptible to pets.
Potassium (K)
Potassium is a key component in opening and closing the stomata. The regulating of the stomata reduces water loss from leaves, it also increases drought tolerances. The process is called a Potassium pump.
Potassium also helps in protein synthesis, increases root growth, and helps manufacture sugar and starches.
Deficiency:
Slow growth while lower leaves develop Chlorosis or Necrosis, also increase for fungus attack.
Toxicity:
Will cause Magnesium deficiency.
Phosphorus (P)
Phosphorus helps the plants bio-energetics. Phosphorus is a component of ATP. It is used by the plant for conversion of light energy to chemical energy by way of ATP during Photosynthesis.
Phosphorus is used to modify activity of enzymes and also used for cell signaling. The plant still uses phosphorus in flowering and seed stages.
Deficiency:
Stunted growth and turn dark green, lower leaves become yellow and may have some purplish tinge as phosphorus is taken away to feed new growth, during bloom leaves curl backwards and droop, also the roots are pron to fungus attack.
Toxicity:
Excessive Phosphorous will lock out Copper and Zinc.
Micro Nutrients
Sulfur (S)
Sulfur is a structural component of amino acids and vitamins. Sulfer is a key component in chloroplasts manufacturing. It aids in water uptake, bloom stage and seed production. Sulfur is a natural fungicide.
Deficiency:
Sulfur deficiency is rare it will turn the leaves yellow with a purple base.
Toxicity:
Slow growth and smaller leaves than normal.
Calcium (Ca)
Calcium is used to transport other nutrients to the plant. Calcium also stimulates certain enzymes in plants.
Deficiency:
stunted growth and crinkling of leaves, young shoots will die and when in bloom leaves start falling of and sometimes bud falls apart. Calcium is most of the time confused with Nitrogen deficiency.
Toxicity:
Excessive Calcium will bring bud rot in the center lower portions of buds.
Magnesium (Mg)
Magnesium is a key player in chlorophyll and plant pigmentation. It is a major component in Photosynthesis and used in production of ATP. This is done as an enzyme co-factor.
Magnesium is the bonding agent for ATP. With out magnesium to bond with the ATP the plant will lose it main source of energy in the plants cell.
Deficiency:
Magnesium deficiency causes older leaves to curl and yellow areas to appear between leaf vanes. only the new growth will stay green do to the fact that the plant is stealing it from the old growth. also chlorosis will form.
Toxicity:
Magnesium toxicity is very rare, almost never happens.
Iron (Fe)
Iron aids in Chlorophyll formation, it also helps in respiration of sugars to provide growth energy. Most Iron is chelated do to the fact it locks out very easy.
Deficiency:
Iron deficiency is common and cause new growth to become pale yellow and young buds to fall off plants. Yellowing is observed between the veins and leaves.
Toxicity:
Excesses Iron is rare.
Boron (B)
Boron is a another key player for synthesizing enzymes, it helps transport sugar and starches and aids in cell division. This is done when Boron binds Pectins to cell walls of a plant, only boron can do this.
Deficiency:
Boron deficiency results in brittle stems and poor growth, some stream will twist and crack.
Toxicity:
Excessive Boron will cause leaf tips to yellow and die off this is called Necrosis.
Manganese (Mn)
Manganese is a catalyst in the growth process, the plant uses it in chloroplasts, it aids in the formation of oxygen in photosynthesis. Manganese is chealted in most nutrients to insure it's uptakes for growth.
Deficiency:
Manganese deficiency causes yellowing of leaves between the veins and discolored spots on the leaves, also slow growth of buds.
Toxicity:
Excessive Manganese can lock out Iron.
Zinc (Zn)
Zinc is a key DNA transcript, I not going into all the in's and out's of DNA Transcriptions, it would take a life time to under stand it, but just know this that when you take a clone DNA transcript plays a role in the genetic reproduction of the mother. Zinc is used by the majority of enzymes the plant produces for growth.
Deficiency:
Zinc deficiency results in small leaf growth and weak immunity system.
Toxicity:
Excessive Zinc will lock out Iron.
Molybdenum (Mo)
Molybdenum is a key factor in creating enzymes as well as used in building amino acids used by the plant.
Deficiency:
Excessive molybdenum are small they are small yellow leaves
Toxicity:
N/A in MMJ
Cobalt (Co)
Very little is know the effects of cobalt in plants. we know that it is a carrier of B12 vitamins and that most plants have it in trace elements in there tissue.
Deficiency:
N/A in MMJ
Toxicity:
N/A in MMJ
Copper (Cu)
Copper is used in photosynthesis, it helps in the production of ligin in cells, it help with respiration and enzymatic processes used by the plant.
Deficiency:
Copper deficiency is pale yellow spotted leaves.
Toxicity:
Excessive Copper will lock out Iron.
New Info on Other Elements
Sodium (Na)
Sodium is used to bind Carbon dioxide to dissolved compounds in plants. Sodium aids in sugar production in photosynthesis, and is used by enzymes as energy that is stored in ATP.
Deficiency:
Lack of sodium with slow the up take of Potassium. will show similar signs as Potassium deficiency.
Toxicity:
Toxicity of Sodium will be slow to almost no growth.
Silicate
Silica is found in in just about every cell in a plant, Silica is readily absorbed and is a key player in growth. Silica is found to increase mineral nutrition intake by 20%. The plant use it as mechanical strength in cell walls formation, as well as helping it fight of pest and fungal diseases. Lack of it in hydroponics will decrease the plants ability to over come some environmental stress.
Most common used in hydro is Potassium Silicate.
Deficiency:
N/A
Toxicity:
N/A
Nickel (Ni)
Nickel is used by an enzyme called urease, the enzyme is a key factor in Nitrogen intake.Nickel also helps process Urea into carbon dioxide and ammonia.
With out Nickel urea accumulates and leads to the formation of necrtic lesions on leaves.
Deficiency:
Will not process Urea properly
Toxicity:
N/A at this time.
Chlorine (Ci)
Chlorine is used to give Ionic balance in a process called Osmosis, Chlorine is important in the opening and closing of stomata. The role of the chloride anion (Cl-) is essential to chemically balance the potassium ion (K+) concentration that increases in the guard cells during the opening and closing of stomata. Chlorine also functions in photosynthesis, specifically in the water splitting system.
Chlorine competes with nitrate uptake, tending to promote the use of ammonium nitrogen. Lowering nitrate uptake may be a factor in chloride’s role in disease suppression, since high plant nitrates have been associated with disease severity.
Deficiency:
Wilting due to a restricted and highly branched root system, often with stubby tips, and Leaf mottling and leaflet blade tip wilting with Chlorosis has also been observed. Root Rot in hydroponics systems.
Toxicity:
Leaf margins are scorched and abscission is excessive. Leaf/leaflet size is reduced and may appear to be thickened. Overall plant growth is reduced. Chloride accumulation is higher in older tissue than in newly matured leaves.
spl1
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There may be another factor that you are not taking into consider like is the cola closer to a fresh air source?, closer to the hot spot of the light source?, did that plant get more nut in one of the watering cycles? Also pictures help.
The pictures are of DarkStar from TH Seeds, they are fresh rooted clone to fished QP per plant AVG. The pictures of the biggest colas were fimed then super cropped and the picture on the yellow tote was all of my lower buds. most people like to lollipop the lower growth because of popcorn buds, mine are the size of pop cans. all from a 2 ft tall plant, start to finish 10 weeks total time on a 10 week flower strain..
If you look at any of my grow albums on Roll it up you well see that I avg 3oz to 6oz per 2 ft plant with out all the over hyped marketing and just using sound plant basics.
spl1
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Don't worry, every one is entitled to there opinions, As long as you are having fun thats all that matters.
I would love to see the facts in with you claim this.
Ace11
Member
Thanks a lot for responding, I may have been unclear when describing my experiment but only one of the two colas (from the same plant) was sprayed in my test. I did this only as a safety precaution in case i messed something up and its interesting nonetheless. If anything the one cola that was sprayed and stunted was more in the fan receiving better air than its larger counterpart. No other differences should exist since they are coming from the same plant. I am not unhappy with the results because the other half of the plant grew 4 inches in two days and I am just curious to the botany behind this. When a plant absorbs nutrients from the stems and leaves is the energy utilized by this absorption kept locally? spread throughout the plant? utilized by the opposite side of the plant?! I would love to post some pics that I have on my desktop but all i see is an option to insert a URL? sorry im new. Thanks!
Sr. Greensea
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the fan could be the problem
spl1
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As Sr. Greensea pointed out it could be the fact that the fan is closest to the one cola and the temp of that cola from being wet was lower then the rest of the plant, this could cause the reaction that you are talking about. How much N are you running in the root zone?
wangyunan
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I heard that water drops on leaves can focus the light and burn the leaves, especially when ur using HPS, HID or any kinda high output light source, and most of these users are running their lamps in air cooling system, which means they always put the plants as close to the lights as they can, so how to avoid this kinda water drops & lights combination burn?
Wolverine97
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Potassium silicate helps a bit.
Wolverine97
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It's in Jorge's book, which I realize has some conflicting info to begin with, but it's one area I choose to err on the safe side.
legallyflying
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News flash. Jorge is not Jesus, nor does his books contain all the information necessary to grow the highest quality buds
spl1
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Very true, I have had plants in out door grows were temps hit 101 to 102 for 2 weeks in a row and I used silicate and the other growers I knew did not and my plants were just fine and they lost half of there crops to heat stress.
Dude Jorge books contradict them selfs from page to page. So what your point????????????
Thats why you do it when the lights first turn on, it is the coolest time and it evaporates nice and even.
On another note maybe we should ask mother nature to stop raining so it does not burn the out door crops or plants in the wild?
Wolverine97
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Didn't say he was. In fact, that's why I made sure to point out all of the conflicting info. I may be new around this place, but I know a thing or two about growing the stickiest of the icky. I don't appreciate being treated like a total frickin n00b around here every time I try to put in my .02.
legallyflying
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My point wasn't to offend you. It was more to stop other people from citing Jorge or Ed Rosenthal for that matter as if they were gods fucking gift to marijuana. Not saying you did that, but others often do. Need to thicken up that skin a little bro.Didn't say he was. In fact, that's why I made sure to point out all of the conflicting info. I may be new around this place, but I know a thing or two about growing the stickiest of the icky. I don't appreciate being treated like a total frickin n00b around here every time I try to put in my .02.
Fucking n00bs are always so sensitive LOL
But anyways, I foliar feed all the way through about week 5. I use a somewhat custom blend of liquid karma (4 ml/gallon) and this locally produced amino acid sugar solution which is basically just fancy molassis and some kelp additives (5ml gallon). Mixed with DM penetrator, sprayed with lights on twice a week.
wangyunan
Active Member
that makes sense, +rep
Sr. Greensea
Member
i started spraying with thrivealive green and sugardaddy. plants love it. i spray with lights on and while its the hottest, no damage. i think as long as the plant is hydrated it wont burn.
i havent picked up a penetrator yet.
whats a few of the best penetrators and should any be avoided ???
i havent picked up a penetrator yet.
whats a few of the best penetrators and should any be avoided ???
legallyflying
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You should always use a surfactant/penetrator when spraying with the lights on. I've used many a surfactant in the field but only one in the grow room. Dutch masters penetrator yielded much better results than any i have tried. when using the DM penetrator and liquid light, the leaves would be dry in the first section by the time I finished the remaining parts and I don't have a big (by "real" grower standards) room.
legallyflying
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No prob. Sarcasm is hard to translate at times.