The Irish Growers Thread!

guitarisgr8

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I thought about not telling the wife but for many reasons I sought her approval, don't like lying also she would have seriously gone off on one if she found out I went behind her back. I tell you fellas you don't want to mess with her, she spends at least 15 hours a week training she would batter me into next week and being ten years younger than me I don't stand a chance.

Love that Aussie article, that is some funny shit never seen it before.

Now unpack that shopping and put another load in the washing machine, and at some stage think about fixing the fence that is over the back yard - hi didly ho neighbour
Yea for sure...the lies and sneaking would be more of a prob than the growing. Fortunately my gf understands that I'm far far FAR more pleasant to live with when I have my little hobby in the attic!

You sir are a domestic God! I hope the wifey appreciates you.....she must do if she came round to the idea of your gardening project.

Right gotta go do some chores myself..... catch ya later lads.
 

Sandgrouper

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You sir are a domestic God! I hope the wifey appreciates you.....she must do if she came round to the idea of your gardening project.
Put up with it would probably be more accurate. At the moment she is working 63 hours a week and paying for everything so at the moment until I am on my feet again here, doing the house is the least I can do. I tell you this is a horrible time, the sooner I can take over the bills again the better, don't like being a kept man at all, just does not seem right.
 

R3l@X

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You'll be grand out mate, if U like ill give U my job n ur missus can support me lol fucking over the moon with my gf back to work, sick of her budgeting my cunting money lol
 

R3l@X

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Yea for sure...the lies and sneaking would be more of a prob than the growing. Fortunately my gf understands that I'm far far FAR more pleasant to live with when I have my little hobby in the attic!

You sir are a domestic God! I hope the wifey appreciates you.....she must do if she came round to the idea of your gardening project.

Right gotta go do some chores myself..... catch ya later lads.
how do U flush b4 harvest mate? Do U use straight tap water or what?

This is an open question to everyone..HOW DO U FLUSH?
 

Sandgrouper

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Personally I use Clearex if it is viable, with soil grows I have not bothered simply because it is not feasible in my outdoor situation but for three weeks used straight water which is better than nothing but I find you do not get the same build up of nutrient etc in soil probably due to the use of soil and not many boosters apart from fishx
 

R3l@X

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I wouldn't add anything seeing as U get the desired result with water..im a cheap Irish man after all lol... was thinking of just running straight tap water through it without phing it as U only ph water so the nutrients can be absorbed but should I still leave it out for 24h or straight from the tap provided it has time to warm up a little?

Im in soil btw.
 

guitarisgr8

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I use straight up tap water, flush about 20L through a 10L pot 2 weeks before harvest, then one more straight watering with molasses....tbh for a while I was up in the air about flushing.... there have been times I have not flushed and the end product has been tasty even after just 4 or so days drying....but a plant a few years ago (sage) unflushed tasted bad....I don't know if it was down to not flushing or bad drying or shoddy pheno or salt buildup (I rarely overfeed) dried it and had it in a jar for two weeks and it still tasted shit....the lot went into my bubble bags. So since then I always flush...even though some of the pros (UncleBen) say it's not needed. I'm not following the done thing but in my experience a flushed plant in consistently tasty. I use a flushing solution if I've left the flush a bit late, get away with a one week flush using final phase or whatever.
 

Sandgrouper

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There are conflicting thoughts on flushing, and myself have noticed if a plant is forced it often gains a better taste when flushed, versus a non forced or natural soil grow (well rounded soil without the adding of flowering or growth agents) I think that produces the best weed.

I do say Hydro weed is very forced very much like the big strawberries they look nice they are huge but just not the same as a left alone organic strawberry.

Clearex can also be used at the end of a crop’s growth cycle to trigger the last reproductive stage of the plant, forcing it to process and assimilate endogenous nutrients. Clearex contains specific electrolytes and selected mono and disaccharides which provide energy for the biosynthesis of important plant metabolites and macromolecules. Pre harvest treatments with Clearex are known to enhance the flavor and increase yields in fruits, vegetables, and culinary herbs by flushing out extraneous chemical nutrients.
 

Sandgrouper

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The theory of pre harvest flushing is to remove nutrients from the grow medium/root zone. A lack of nutrients creates a deficiency, forcing the plant to translocate and use up its internal nutrient compounds.

Nutrient fundamentals and uptake:

Until recently it was common thought that all nutrients are absorbed by plant roots as ions of mineral elements. However in newer studies more and more evidence emerged that additionally plant roots are capable of taking up complex organic molecules like amino acids directly thus bypassing the mineralization process.

The major nutrient uptake processes are:

1) Active transport mechanism into root hairs (the plant has to put energy in it, ATP driven) which is selective to some degree. This is one way the plant (being immobile) can adjust to the environment.

2) Passive transport (diffusion) through symplast to endodermis.

The claim only ‘chemical’ fertilised plants need to be flushed should be taken with a grain of salt. Organic and synthetic fertilised plants take up mineral ions alike, probably to a different degree though. Many influences play key roles in the taste and flavour of the final bud, like the nutrition balance and strength throughout the entire life cycle of the plant, the drying and curing process and other environmental conditions.

3) Active transport mechanism of organic molecules into root hairs via endocytosis.

Here is a simplified overview of nutrient functions:

Nitrogen is needed to build chlorophyll, amino acids, and proteins. Phosphorus is necessary for photosynthesis and other growth processes. Potassium is utilized to form sugar and starch and to activate enzymes. Magnesium also plays a role in activating enzymes and is part of chlorophyll. Calcium is used during cell growth and division and is part of the cell wall. Sulphur is part of amino acids and proteins.

Plants also require trace elements, which include boron, chlorine, copper, iron, manganese, sodium, zinc, molybdenum, nickel, cobalt, and silicon.

Copper, iron, and manganese are used in photosynthesis. Molybdenum, nickel, and cobalt are necessary for the movement of nitrogen in the plant. Boron is important for reproduction, while chlorine stimulates root growth and development. Sodium benefits the movement of water within the plant and zinc is needed for enzymes and used in auxins (organic plant hormones). Finally, silicon helps to build tough cell walls for better heat and drought tolerance.

You can get an idea from this how closely all the essential elements are involved in the many metabolic processes within the plant, often relying on each other.

Nutrient movement and mobility inside the plant:

Besides endocytosis, there are two major pathways inside the plant, the xylem and the phloem. When water and minerals are absorbed by plant roots, these substances must be transported up to the plant's stems and leaves for photosynthesis and further metabolic processes. This upward transport happens in the xylem. While the xylem is able to transport organic compounds, the phloem is much more adapted to do so.

The organic compounds thus originating in the leaves have to be moved throughout the plant, upwards and downwards, to where they are needed. This transport happens in the phloem. Compounds that are moving through the phloem are mostly:
Sugars as sugary saps, organic nitrogen compounds (amino acids and amides, uredines and legumes), hormones and proteins.

Not all nutrient compounds are moveable within the plant.

1) N, P, K, Mg and S are considered mobile: they can move up and down the plant in both xylem and phloem.
Deficiency appears on old leaves first.

2) Ca, Fe, Zn, Mo, B, Cu, Mn are considered immobile: they only move up the plant in the xylem.
Deficiency appears on new leaves first.

Storage organelles:

Salts and organic metabolites can be stored in storage organelles. The most important storage organelle is the vacuole, which can contribute up to 90% of the cell volume. The majority of compounds found in the vacuole are sugars, polysaccharides, organic acids and proteins though.

Translocation:

Now that the basics are explained, we can take a look at the translocation process. It should be already clear that only mobile elements could be translocated through the phloem. Immobile elements can’t be translocated and are not more available to the plant for further metabolic processes and new plant growth.

Since flushing (in theory) induces a nutrient deficiency in the root zone, the translocation process aids in the plants survival. Translocation is transportation of assimilates through the phloem from source (a net exporter of assimilate) to sink (a net importer of assimilate). Sources are mostly mature fan leaves and sinks are mostly apical meristems, lateral meristem, fruit, seed and developing leaves etc.

You can see this by the yellowing and later dying of the mature fan leaves from the second day on after flushing started. Developing leaves, bud leaves and calyxes don’t serve as sources, they are sinks. Changes in those plant parts are due to the deficient immobile elements that start to indicate on new growth first.

Unfortunately, several metabolic processes are unable to take place anymore since other elements needed are no longer available (the immobile ones). This includes processes where nitrogen and phosphorus, which have likely the most impact on taste, are involved.

For example nitrogen: usually plants use nitrogen to form plant proteins. Enzyme systems rapidly reduce nitrate-N (NO3-) to compounds that are used to build amino-nitrogen that is the basis for amino acids. Amino acids are building blocks for proteins; most of them are plant enzymes responsible for all the chemical changes important for plant growth.

Sulphur and calcium among others have major roles in production and activating of proteins, thereby decreasing nitrate within the plant. Excess nitrate within the plant may result from unbalanced nutrition rather than an excess of nitrogen.

Summary:

Pre-harvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well.

The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue.
 

R3l@X

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There are conflicting thoughts on flushing, and myself have noticed if a plant is forced it often gains a better taste when flushed, versus a non forced or natural soil grow (well rounded soil without the adding of flowering or growth agents) I think that produces the best weed.

I do say Hydro weed is very forced very much like the big strawberries they look nice they are huge but just not the same as a left alone organic strawberry.
Gh ripen does the same mate, U feed it towards the end..i think lol
do U leave the water sit out 24 h or is it from tap to pot?
 

Sandgrouper

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Gh ripen does the same mate, U feed it towards the end..i think lol
do U leave the water sit out 24 h or is it from tap to pot?
The only time I have used mains water I ran it through an in-line filter bit like you have on the tap at home but a commercial type. Now that I am doing a home indoor grow I think after today and seeing my acidic water I think I will be going to B&Q and filtering through a ionizing filter into a 25ltr drum and letting it rise in temp (I am not sure but Irish water is fekin freezing that would shock the crap out of the plants in my GHE's I would defo say.
 

R3l@X

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Yeah what imma do is 14 days b4 harvest time ill use straight tap water that ill have sit in my warm grow room for a day or so then flush...now to find more empty milk bottles lol
 

Sandgrouper

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Yeah what imma do is 14 days b4 harvest time ill use straight tap water that ill have sit in my warm grow room for a day or so then flush...now to find more empty milk bottles lol
You might have guessed that I am a buy it kind of guy. Why don't you get a 25ltr drum the ones with a tap on the bottom, with my situation and tiny tent it will be super difficult to get the water in, so a tube on the tap is perfect for getting to those hard to reach pots. Plus I find it is easier to mix up 25ltrs get the PPM correct then simply use it like a hose.

One bonus I think I am going to aprechiate with this room is being a wet room, not sure if you noticed but I jacked up my tent over the shower base so I can simply extend the pipe from the GHE's and drain straight out under the tent.

I am all for DIY, and am a not bad builder have renovated quite a few properties but I do like the buy it all when in these situations.
 

R3l@X

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Im a buy it all kinda guy 2 but on this ill just tap water it lol the thing with the 25ltr drum is that ill have to fill it up n what not n my sinks down stairs so ill stick with my 2ltr milk cartons (8) ...dont have room for a 25ltr storage unit either lol
 

mdjenks

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Hello everyone how is everyone? I was going to put up some pics but the new nuts regiment was a bit much and made the ladies stretch all the way up to the lights 20 days into flower so we had to chop them. But we have fresh clones ready to go of BLZ, GreenCrack, and Alien OG. Actually we don't cut them down we transplant them into pots and put them on the sidewalk so hopefully some could give them a good home. This time we are going to cut back on the nutes and do 3 weeks of MH, 3 weeks of HPS, and then in the end 3 more weeks of MH to keep them short.

Its not giving me the option to like anyones comments, weird.
 

Sandgrouper

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Im a buy it all kinda guy 2 but on this ill just tap water it lol the thing with the 25ltr drum is that ill have to fill it up n what not n my sinks down stairs so ill stick with my 2ltr milk cartons (8) ...dont have room for a 25ltr storage unit either lol
Yea for sure I would not be toting 25kg plus upstairs either, you want me to send you some milk bottles :bigjoint:
 

R3l@X

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Hello everyone how is everyone? I was going to put up some pics but the new nuts regiment was a bit much and made the ladies stretch all the way up to the lights 20 days into flower so we had to chop them. But we have fresh clones ready to go of BLZ, GreenCrack, and Alien OG. Actually we don't cut them down we transplant them into pots and put them on the sidewalk so hopefully some could give them a good home. This time we are going to cut back on the nutes and do 3 weeks of MH, 3 weeks of HPS, and then in the end 3 more weeks of MH to keep them short.

Its not giving me the option to like anyones comments, weird.
welcome back you magnificent sob! Like buttons gone, lots happens mate new heads about n all...hope alls well with U mate!
 
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