the hydro party is over

Seems the dea has finally convinced the FDA to allow a change in schedule. Next year the rules will change putting hydro in the same category as oxy. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

Such utter bullshit.

I'm lost. I thought they were in the same category? What is going to happen?

meh, i was never a big fan anyway so no loss for me, dont like getting all itchy and pissed.

I said something about this awhile back..
Skuxx..chemically the same catagory..legally they were different..oh well..next wave of heroin about to hit cause of this..watch.

i love hydros but i love doing cwe's on em even better but this sucks

Its one of the most prescribed pain killers, it will still be flowing. Really the difference will be more bullshit doctor appointments, and refill restrictions. Honestly just a pain in the ass more than anything.

lets all just smoke grass and eat drugs that grow directly out of the ground only. like shrooms and LSD and mescaline. I have a lsd bush.

pain tolerance is a weird thing... I wonder if you walked a mile in someone else's shoes.... like, I bet there are people fully functioning and bad ass with the same problems as someone who is on a morphine drip or patches.... our minds can overcome all things...even pain

but its fun to indulge in pain killers
tho i do sometimes get em for legitimate reasons

i see it turn some of my friends into beasts... the worse cases of addiction is with pills.... sucks... i feel bad people can't be happy with weed

Impman said:

lets all just smoke grass and eat drugs that grow directly out of the ground only. like shrooms and LSD and mescaline. I have a lsd bush.

pain tolerance is a weird thing... I wonder if you walked a mile in someone else's shoes.... like, I bet there are people fully functioning and bad ass with the same problems as someone who is on a morphine drip or patches.... our minds can overcome all things...even pain

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Methamphetamine is natural, LSD is not. Who do you trust?

is coke considered a methamphetamine or is it in a class of its own called stimulants
not trying to derail thread just wonderin n what are some natural forms of methamphetamines that occur naturally

Ephedra is close but yeah I know of nothing that produces meth naturally. I thought it was first synthesized by the Japanese in the 1930's but its the Duck so I tend to reserve judgement.

Plus ergotamine isn't that far away from LSD.

MrEDuck said:

Methamphetamine is natural, LSD is not. Who do you trust?

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LOL not you brother. You need to take some responsibility and retract this statement you continue to make. man... this bothers me about your claim to chemistry education....or maybe you never claimed that and people just assumed.... I highly recommend anyone considering this comment to do just a little bit of research. start with wikipedia.
I saw you post this before. METH IS NOT NATURAL.... it was created by Nazis during WW2.. It takes a lot of different chemicals to create meth..... And if I had a choice to get rid of all meth in the world but LSD had to go to0 I would say bye bye lucy

MrEDuck said:

Methamphetamine is natural, LSD is not. Who do you trust?

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come on man...you are suppose to have chemistry experience... Wiki methamphetamine. It is not natural...nothing about it is. Yes ,there are natural amphetamines .... that is not meth.... (-)rep
----stop telling people meth is natural...there are some very very young and impressionable children on here.

Meth was first produced by a chemist in Japan in the late 1800's. AGerman chemist also created an amphetamine in the late 1800's. The earliest know mass use was in WWII. The German army distributed it to its pilots and tank crews to keep them wired and ready to fight. It was also given to the Japanese pilots for the same reason.

As for the now common form of meth... all it took was a chemist to figure out how to reduce ephedrine down to a few simple types of molecules. The ingredients that you generally hear about are not always in the finished drug, but are mainly used to conduct the reduction process

Imp here ya go:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031942297002409

chambray7 said:

is coke considered a methamphetamine or is it in a class of its own called stimulants
not trying to derail thread just wonderin n what are some natural forms of methamphetamines that occur naturally

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cocaine is a tropane alkaloid structurally unrelated to the amphetamines

DutchKillsRambo said:

Ephedra is close but yeah I know of nothing that produces meth naturally. I thought it was first synthesized by the Japanese in the 1930's but its the Duck so I tend to reserve judgement.

Plus ergotamine isn't that far away from LSD.

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I was rather surprised when I saw a reference to the paper myself.

Without reading the link I think there are a few plants that naturally contain amphetamine..it may have been synthesized but not created by man...
Imp if you got an lsd bush,I want clones dammit!!
When you walk a mile in someone elses shoes..then you're a mile away..and have their shoes...

Impman said:

lets all just smoke grass and eat drugs that grow directly out of the ground only. like shrooms and LSD and mescaline. I have a lsd bush.

pain tolerance is a weird thing... I wonder if you walked a mile in someone else's shoes.... like, I bet there are people fully functioning and bad ass with the same problems as someone who is on a morphine drip or patches.... our minds can overcome all things...even pain

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easier said then done when you suffer from a chronic condition and have been in pain for over a decade. While I've enjoyed psychedelics, and they are in my top 5 life experiences, don't solve the everyday problem of feeling like shit. plus I'd be even more useless on psychedelics than without my pain medication.

Ganja helps, but nothing like the sweet nector of the poppy

Full paper re: Duck's abstract link:

http://chemistry.mdma.ch/hiveboard/rhodium/pdf/acacia.berlandieri.pdf

also interesting:

http://bitnest.ca/external.php?id=%7DbxUgY%5CCy%05%04w%7Bb%0D%01UYI%0BSPw%7C%60%17Wt%7C

Oh I only do natural, a guy says as he puts some wax extracted from indoor in his vaporizor and inhales the fumes, only natural man.