The flush "myth"
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MichiganMedGrower
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Alright. Now we need a refractometer vs. microscope debate thread. See what you start!
Budley Doright
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So no science here but two gardens 500 yards away ( my brother and his partner) same clones, both grown in bags. His were 12 feet tall and mine were 6, he fed his, I think, miracle grow general purpose blue powder, lots of it till the end. I fed mine at first nothing as they were in compost, then switched to fish emulsion, blood meal, and bone meal, and twice drenched with a EWC tea. I tapered off near the end but didn't stop. He sold a pound and I sold a pound to the same guy, the guy brought back his pound lol.
Creature1969
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Mine uses a LOT of gas. Can it use up the gas without supplying the oxygen?
I'm just playing. I Don't care if people flush or not or what they choose to believe. I just couldn't resist.
Dr.Nick Riviera
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give the same cut to 5 gardeners, you'll get 5 different looking buds
CannaBruh
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Is it poor, or is it more of that it doesn't fit into your narrative? I think it's a great analogy, but that might be confirmation bias eh doc?
The point at hand (of which the analogy tried to draw a parallel for some better/deeper understanding) is that the gas is a part of the fuel which allows the engine to run. Much as the "elements" are a part of the fuel which allow the plant to grow. By saying the elements aren't "used" by the plant is hard to understand what you mean because I think that isn't exactly correct to say that the plant "converts" but doesn't "use" wtf is the difference?
The engine converts gas to mechanical work but doesn't use gas... mkay if we're playing semantic game then you better be ready for onslaught of policing of everything one says
Budley Doright
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What did the dispensary test?
MichiganMedGrower
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What is funny is that leaching or flushing is just a tool to reduce salts in the medium. There is no actual argument possible.
If anyone thinks that converted nutrients can leave the plant they need to read basic plant science.
Only chlorophyll is being affected. Until too much is gone.
Everyone is really arguing about plant feeding schedules. And there are many ways to do it.
CannaBruh
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"If anyone thinks that converted nutrients can leave the plant they need to read basic plant science."
May I ask how is the plant able to grow if these, may we call them, converted nutrients are never used by the plant?
Further, if we remove all instances of supplementation feeding, do these "converted nutrients" remain indefinitely unaffected?
May I ask how is the plant able to grow if these, may we call them, converted nutrients are never used by the plant?
Further, if we remove all instances of supplementation feeding, do these "converted nutrients" remain indefinitely unaffected?
MichiganMedGrower
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Is it poor, or is it more of that it doesn't fit into your narrative? I think it's a great analogy, but that might be confirmation bias eh doc?
The point at hand (of which the analogy tried to draw a parallel for some better/deeper understanding) is that the gas is a part of the fuel which allows the engine to run. Much as the "elements" are a part of the fuel which allow the plant to grow. By saying the elements aren't "used" by the plant is hard to understand what you mean because I think that isn't exactly correct to say that the plant "converts" but doesn't "use" wtf is the difference?
The engine converts gas to mechanical work but doesn't use gas... mkay if we're playing semantic game then you better be ready for onslaught of policing of everything one says
I am saying if it is in the plant whether mobile or immobile it is staying in the plant.
Unless a leaf dies. Then the nutes left there may fall off.
The sun or Grow light is the "gasoline" and energy for the plant. Not the nutrients. They are more like vitamins as an analogy.
And I am saying that flushing could be necessary. I am not a for or against noob.
CannaBruh
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"I am saying if it is in the plant whether mobile or immobile it is staying in the plant."
see above post, are you suggesting that once the nutrients are converted that said "converted nutrients" remain in the plant unless a leaf falls off? How does the plant grow? Why do we need to continue to supplement feed if once the plant has these conversions in store, they never leave the plant?
see above post, are you suggesting that once the nutrients are converted that said "converted nutrients" remain in the plant unless a leaf falls off? How does the plant grow? Why do we need to continue to supplement feed if once the plant has these conversions in store, they never leave the plant?
RegurgedCumBubble
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Obviously you don't know anything. The act of flushing is to rid the plant of trace elements and Carbon. You think I just made this up, Its common knowledge to anyone who knows anything about agriculture. Plants produce oxygen, Hemp is 1 of the most oxygen producing plants in the world. If your feeding plants with metels and elements, witch are presemt in all nutrients provided, then it builds up CARBON in the plant. Wow
RegurgedCumBubble
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Mi medgrower. I highly doubt it!
Budley Doright
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But I thought they move to the buds when you stop feeding? So if they move (yes, yes the mobile ones lol) would that not mean they are being used in the buds? So, would that not mean they are now being used up at that location? Not saying they leave but get used up. And this is where I ask yet another question. Does the bud taste better or worse at that point? Again I guess timing would be a huge factor in getting it so that it fully develops before stopping the feedings. Everyone harvest at different times and those times could span a week or two if going by triches being cloudy or amber. I do know that if I stop feeding my res the plants seem to go kind of dormant with only my well water at .2 EC.
MichiganMedGrower
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Thc in both forms and cbd. Pretty standard lab test for dispensary. And mold and pesticides of course.
I gained 2% thc and point something cbd. I also gained like 15% yield on average compared to the 2 week flush.
They also said the fed to the end bud smelled and tasted better longer as it dried out in the sample jar.
i wish I had got back sooner to get the copies. I did this a year before I posted online the first time. I never thought I would be documenting for a forum. I was just trying all these things argued here back then. Still sometimes.
MichiganMedGrower
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Doubt what?
CannaBruh
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What was the resolution of said tests, and the tolerances, last time calibrated, and credentials of tech who performed said tests?
2% c'mon now you might have sneezed 3 more times during that grow or something or the tech forgot to wash his hands.
Lucky Luke
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Bingo.
MichiganMedGrower
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The nutes are in a different ionic form in the plant. Only mobile nutes move obviously but they are transported where the plant needs them. Not all to the buds just cause a leaf yellows.
And the taste would be heavy grass. Chlorophyll.
All flushing during ripening can do is starve the roots so the plant yellows. Go too long and the plant will cannibalize itself. If the chlorophyll is lower. The buds will taste smoother longer. But if the plant was starved before done it won't be close to its potential for potency or flavor/smell.
When I used to overfeed plants. I agreed with the pro flush side. I was wrong. It can be higher quality if fed properly to the end.
MichiganMedGrower
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What was the resolution of said tests, and the tolerances, last time calibrated, and credentials of tech who performed said tests?
It was 3 sets of clones. And I had nothing to do with their lab. They sent for testing everything they sold.
And like I said it was almost 4 years ago.
I don't care if you believe me. I can't provide proof anyway. It was confiscated like I said when they got shut down
