The debate and firearms

This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for shooting, this is for fun. Ready...Fire...Aim...

ArcticGranite said:

This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for shooting, this is for fun. Ready...Fire...Aim...

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canndo said:

I thought the "assault weapons" portion of the debate was rather interesting. I think Romney skirted the difficult issue, he appears to want regulations regarding "assault" weapons. Obama was even more cautious and he said NOTHING about added anti-firearm laws yet, very curious, the NRA will continue to back Romney and claim that sooner or later Obama will take our guns.


another distortion of reality from the right.

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Goldmann-Sachs doesn't want us to have guns so, since they (Obama and Romney) are their bitches, what difference does it make?

Powerful forces at work don't want citizens armed. http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/SALW/
Have always thought it odd. National media demonizes firearms and refers to them as assault weapons.
The UN which wields power and has stroke to negotiate with heads of states just calls them small arms.

ArcticGranite said:

Powerful forces at work don't want citizens armed. http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/SALW/
Have always thought it odd. National media demonizes firearms and refers to them as assault weapons.
The UN which wields power and has stroke to negotiate with heads of states just calls them small arms.

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God DAMN!!!!

PREACH it Brother!!!!

Preach by example. I'm rarely unarmed. "Non Sibi Sed Patriae"

ArcticGranite said:

View attachment 2377418Preach by example. I'm rarely unarmed. "Non Sibi Sed Patriae"

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Holy shit. That's the same gun that killed Trayvon Martin.

George has a really fucking fast smooth draw cause I never felt it leave my side!

How do you like that keltec? I had to get rid of mine. It was really light weight, but I didn't find it reliable.

Couldn't justify 7 bills for a Kahr for everyday carry, abuse/neglect. Have had Kelgrens guns since the p10, a beast. With some tlc and the right rounds I've come to fancy it. Can't be limpwristed at all or ftf fte is common. I like it quite a bit, affordable, concealable, accurate, firepower.

ArcticGranite said:

Couldn't justify 7 bills for a Kahr for everyday carry, abuse/neglect. Have had Kelgrens guns since the p10, a beast. With some tlc and the right rounds I've come to fancy it. Can't be limpwristed at all or ftf fte is common. I like it quite a bit, affordable, concealable, accurate, firepower.

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Yea, the main reason I got rid of mine was because of the fail to eject. Little fucker packs a punch though.

Shoots fire and is loud too. Pretty neat little shooter, considering.

Well if you want a "assault weapon" you had better get it now before holder sells them all to the Mexicans.

assault rifles are already illegal for most civilians (unless you jump through some hoops and pay some fines), assault rifle means its select-fire between semi & automatic (sometimes also burst)

londonfog said:

you do realize there is a difference between an assault rifle and an assault weapon.

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Our concern is that the government will not realize a difference.

does someone have a clip from the gun control part or some quotes? Don't feel like wasting my time watching through the debate but curious what was said on this exactly.

deprave said:

does someone have a clip from the gun control part or some quotes? Don't feel like wasting my time watching through the debate but curious what was said on this exactly.

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It was off the cuff polititalk that is pointless to try to analyze.

Basically, Obama said he was for a reinstatement of the assault weapons ban.

Romney hemed and hawed and seemed like he wouldnt do anything while pointing out the thousands of weapons Obama let cross the border and go to mexican drug lords which killed hundreds of people.

UncleBuck said:

all you gun owners, let me offer you my deepest sympathies for having grown up with single mothers.

i learned in the debate last night that if you have a single mother, you will get guns and do gun stuff. romney told me so, and i trust the guy.

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Obama said he (the Dems) wants to reintroduce the assault weapons ban:


"Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced, but part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence, because frankly, in my hometown of Chicago, there's an awful lot of violence, and they're not using AK-47s, they're using cheap handguns."
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/16/163050988/transcript-obama-romney-2nd-presidential-debate

Romney on parents' effect on violence:
"But let me mention another thing, and that is parents. We need moms and dads helping raise kids. Wherever possible, the — the benefit of having two parents in the home — and that's not always possible. A lot of great single moms, single dads. But gosh, to tell our kids that before they have babies, they ought to think about getting married to someone — that's a great idea because if there's a two-parent family, the prospect of living in poverty goes down dramatically. The opportunities that the child will — will be able to achieve increase dramatically."

Bucky, your spin is an outright lie, but don't let that stop you.

canndo said:

Interestingly, one runs afoul of strict "originalists" such as Scalia who claims to be able to channel our founders when he is confronted with constitutional quandries or constructionists such as Thomas, when it comes to the constitutional definition of "arms". but I think you will see that in the end, Scalia and Thomas find that modern weapons are still a ok with them even though an originalist would properly claim that only muzzle loading black powder weapons are protected under the 2nd.

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Only an illiterate originalist would make such a claim. The second amendment says, "...right to keep and bear arms", it does not say, "right to keep and bear black powder muzzle loaders".