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qwizoking

qwizoking

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Do me a favor and melt down both..lemme see 2 droplets of oil with light over it......not behind it..I hate when people do that

Then tell me exact dimensions of the oil during purge,..height of each..and exact temps for how long...
Then you can have my speculations

Other than that.. both pics, the one on the left looks better despite the darker color in bottom pic.. imo..
 
Guzias1

Guzias1

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meltdown both into oil! how dare i do do..

:p

jk ok i will, hey hater. this picture was actually taken with no light behind it. thats actually the sunlight being reflected from the top. yaaa, i went outside in the freezing cold to get an accurate shot, suck that!

i can tell you this. straight out of the tube, the oil on left was darker, even in thin film, you could tell..

other than that. here fooo

sprayed onto 80F surface.

had heavy fan blowing over until bubbles stopped moving.

thennn, i heated them up, whipped, cooled, heated, whipped, cooled. i do this process until oil becomes malleable, and i can form a ball.

did this x amount of times to smaller batch. and just did a few more heat folds to bigger batch.. once again, noticed the smaller run was a shade lighter the entire process. even after same heats, and whips.

once i got to a ball.

melted down in vac chamber 100F, muffined, let sit. drop. would refold. never reaching vac above 29.7 hg. i do this over and over if the bubbles stop escaping, or till the oil stops looking like shatter, and more like orange peel texture..

i did this at exact same times for both batches. so one finished before the other.. ( the bigger one, weird)

sooo, ya, thats my best memory to this effort :]

here are some more kind words:

i started off with small tubes when i got into this.. i usually had some colorful oil extracted in my beginnings..

never did i ever run into soooo many dark batch runs until i started going bigger.. i have been trying to figure this shit out for about a year now,. why the fuck are my batches coming out so dark!!!

i would get pretty frustrated, then i would have a friend give me his small fresh harvest, and i would blast a small fresh tube, and come out with gold, THANK GAIA FOR THOSE LITTLE ONES, they kept me sane..

i am positive it has been some sort of fuck up with my big tubes.. whether it be the longer soak time, the switch out of my butane cans, or the way i spray my cans.. or even, perhaps, wayyy to fucken cold...

smoke test later will compare taste, smell, and oil color..

p.s.. im not saying the tube is entire factor in color, profile, etc..... just a huge one!
 
Texas(THC)

Texas(THC)

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I feel like big tubes do the same for me, ive never been to happy with all of my bigger runs.
I found my 1 oz tube works best.

Do yall think that the amount of oil being purged has anything to do with the final product?
I always get a better end product when I vac smaller amounts
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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Yea txthc
"But perhaps it was the extra hash needing to be purged that altered the color so drastically.... Would be interesting to separate/reduce the hash solvent mix out the long packed tube,to the same size batch you were working with before..I always notice the smaller the run the better My 2¢"

That was my original thought..the first pic has noticeable differences in height..with the thicker being lighter in color, as expected being so thick. Its more likely to nucleate and that's just what it did.. the thicker chunk is creamier and more opaque, more like wax where the darker is more like comb.. the darker appears to have been at a higher temp, or at least the oil itself. Which is very possible if the sizes are indeed different..the darker pic on bottom looks wet with light terps, my observations agree with that it took less time in the chamber....
not sure the exact reasoning but I still suspect the purge..I wanted you to remove all nucleation, bubbles etc so I could really get an idea of the oil

But you can do a long thermos soak for quite a while..it won't end that much darker.,
when we winterize the waxes are bright yellow, and green and red in my observations..with different strains producing dif colored terps and waxes....the only way to get dark product like that is degredation.. even maxing out the butane, loading it up with all the crap it can carry..its simply not that color...something is off about the evap/purge..you say it was darker right out the tube..and I don't doubt that...as I said earlier its the fact that the difference is so drastic that has my questioning..its not simply extra chlorophyll and waxes, that I know
 
Guzias1

Guzias1

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i should have captured a picture for ya. it was. it was obviously darker where it was thicker in the pool. but! on the edges where it thins out, the you could still see a difference in the two.

something is happening.. on my big tubes, i use two cans, first can stays pressed into tube for about 6 minutes(i can hear the can releasing its solvent, and that usually lasts about 2 minutes before it is quiet) i then let it drip and soak for 4 minutes before inserting my 2nd final can. about 14 minutes before i get first drip out of my tube.. if i try to insert a 2nd can directly after the first, much pressure is released back out the top, and it is scary.. thats why i give it a good wait..
for the smaller tube, i just press blast one can, no stops.

thats the biggest difference in blasting technique i can note..

and as i witnessed before. the first test batch was much lighter out of the small tube, over my bigger run.. i am working with material that has been sitting out for months, both times.. thats also another thing to note.. when ive gotten nice batches out of my big tubes, it was usually with super fresh prime stuff....

im yet to do some more testing. luckily got enough of the same stuff to practice with, its my half im tinkering with, so hopefully these next tests all come out gravy :]

here are my next to do tests..

i got a 48 inch tube ive yet to try out.. im reallyyyyy hoping i can get away with one can of tane slowlyyyy getting all the way through.. final consistency will also be something to see. if it dont work, those tubes can make nice 24 inch tubes :]

and for two more tests, i will use a 24 inch tubes. i will try one unwrapped tube, with no frozen can, vs wrapped tube with frozen can.


if it makes sense that heat degrades the product. this last test was a wtf as well then... since the bigger batch came out about 14 hrs before the smaller one.. the colors were never identical though. as much as i didnt want to think so as i was making it, they were different from the get go...

SOMETHING HAPPENED BEFORE IT EVEN HIT MY PYREX out da tube.... i swear by it.

and yes, the idea of a long thermos soak killlls my theory of over freezing it.. ive been trying to find info on the possibility, but finding nothing leaning that way..
 
blackforest

blackforest

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Holy moly that is some different looking stuff for being the 'same'. Sure a critter didn't crawl in that big tube and accidentally get extracted? j/k.
 
Texas(THC)

Texas(THC)

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What about the 4 minute window being a variable?
I understand its coming out dark from the get go, and you have to wait for pressure to release after initial can
but do y'all think that the temp change in that 4 mins could just be helping clorophyl release quicker
Or maybe since the bud is already saturated and wet after the 1st can it pulls more shit?

Just theories lol
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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I don't think the pressure changes would do much..the longer tube inevitably will be warmer/take longer that will play a small part....material age plays a huge part...hint hint, I run fresh frozen...but drys cool, fresher the better..turns dark quick
You guys are probly gonna laugh...I just watched my first YouTube video...ever....well other than finspammer...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rXF_XVCPIM4
Coo....sorry random video...was looking for popping and crackling bho etc...found wax...still haven't found crackling hash
 
Twitch

Twitch

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ill be out your way this weekend sirdabs, plane leave in about 4 hours...
had to water plants and get everything setup while being away so i dont come back to dead shit, the only reason i am awake right now
 
Twitch

Twitch

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And the flight had to be cancelled....
Fucking texas it was 78 and sunny yesterday, now it's 28.......
 
Kase

Kase

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Uhm ya, overnight lows in the teens here.... fucking freezing. Friggin heater won't even turn on its so cold :roll:
 
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BCOGYODA

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-20 with wind chill yesterday and -40 in neighboring province yesterday!! Fucking farts freeze at that temp
 
SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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I was sledge hammering my ponds today just so a duck could get a drink, the maniac in me started a compost heap today by the time i'm done itle be a quarter tonne. I had the urge to find out just how cold can i start and get it up to 70c in under 6 days. Frakin COLD! Yoda, Hey I just got a pound of chilliwack organic shake from some dudes hoping to open up an mmpr producer coop so that grower's can get legal under one flag and facility. It's suppose to be hand trim but dang this looks like a bag of red hairs.
 
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BCOGYODA

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Hey Saybian the new LP license stuff is ridiculous. The two that are selling stuff already are more expensive than patients getting it off the black market or from currently running dispensaries.
Can you pm me the details your talking about with the co op?
You can have some of my trim anytime man. Got lots of recent new stuff dried up.
 
SaybianTv

SaybianTv

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I'm down for the trim, im not so much down for the drive! I still have to get more containers from mission so I will be out there inevitably. I don't have much details yet, they tried to buy my limonene tek for 20k before even having me make the oil. I'm no dice on giving out my tek I gave it to FD n RUI that's it, the thing is Everybody and there mother says there opening up a dispensary when the ones that are open now arn't even capable of the transition to mmpr. So this may just be another gang of growers with a dream, but the mmpr consultant that helps me source patients is the one that's working with them so I'll have more details when i bring back the blueberry for them to sample. I don't wanna get my hopes up about a fulltime organic bud connections, a pound of sugar leaf don't make a dispensary.

I gotta come out to langley just to pick your brain, even though im downtown in the day Im at a desk not in the community so you know more about the day to day than I do. I get an inside view of "a" dispensary, there all different and some arn't dispensary's at all. There's a place called WEEDS that's just going flat out no name no papers open till 11. I have no idea why there door's haven't been kicked off by the cops, but for all i know that could be happening right now.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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Sooooo..all you iso runners or really anyone making concentrates....
http://www.umsl.edu/~orglab/documents/distillation/dist.htm
Please just look at the cyclohexane/methycyclohexane chart...
If you need to..do some quick math...even without it, it should be apparent that the numbers are getting closer together. Vapor pressures rise exponentially..not linearly! I say this all the time but no one ever seems to understand....this means that the higher temp you use to evaporate your solvent the more terps go with it relatively

Like most examples I'm going to exaggerate my point to make it easier understood... at 30°f the iso is evaporating faster than thc and flavors at a rate of 3:1 ....as you raise the temp cause y'all some lazy fuckers...its now evaporating at a rate of 2:1....... I think that's easy enough to understand...
But maybe not exaggerated enough..let's take the temp up even more cause idk we want wax and aren't competent...now its purging at a 1:1 ratio of iso to terps and even the psychoactive cannabinoids...
The lower the temp you use to evaporate the massive amount of solvent relative to the small amount of terps...the more you keep!! With iso's significantly higher bp over butane, I'm not talking to y'all as much..but all processes are like this..degradation etc
...people and their heat...

End of today's lesson
 
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