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LeastExpectedGrower

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I agree. I actually cringe when I see one on a job where I have to plug equipment into. I did outdoor concerts at a new venue this past summer, and when they were installing the power the electrician wanted to know if I wanted gfi's on the 120v outlets or not. "NO, NO, NO, please no! Breakers are fine" was the answer.
My tech rider has a 20A circuit just for my rig (not for the rest of the stage gear, the PA or lights). It often gets a raised eyebrow, but boy do people get crotchety 2 minutes into the first song when the stage goes black and part or all of the FOH goes dead.
 

PJ Diaz

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My tech rider has a 20A circuit just for my rig (not for the rest of the stage gear, the PA or lights). It often gets a raised eyebrow, but boy do people get crotchety 2 minutes into the first song when the stage goes black and part or all of the FOH goes dead.
Makes sense to me, and I'd do the same. I mean in reality a tech rider is just a request anyway. Years ago when I was a talent buyer at a night club, we'd get all sorts of riders with silly requests, and I'd just get out my red pen and start crossing things out, then send it back to the agent. They wouldn't always be happy, but were already pretty much locked in at that point, plus they should have read my offer sheet better, where we clearly wrote "house sounds and lights". My buddy is a sound guy, and he has it on his rider that he won't use certain consoles unless they buy him a bag of weed. He says that he has gotten several bags of weed that way. I also remember way back in the day when I was on tour, I once had to run a long extension cord to the kitchen just to get a free 20A circuit for the small lighting rig we carried.
 

Rozgreenburn

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Good point. Now that you mention it, lights on a surge protector might not be a good idea either? My breakers aren't necessarily my worry, its more the wiring I worry about. My place was built in the mid 70s and I'm not sure about the quality. It would be extremely difficult for me to change out the wiring and seeing how my room is on a 15 Amp breaker, the wires are prolly not that great. :wall:
OK amigo, I am no electrician but I've done a good deal of it. I usually pull the breaker and check the gauge of the wire for said circuit. If your wire is 14 gauge or larger, I would up that breaker to 20 amps. I also pull a few receptacles' and check the gauge at the box as well. I bought an old home in Colorado which was wired very poorly. It seems that in order to pass inspection the previous owner spliced 6" pieces of 12G copper to the receptacles then they just wire nutted that to the 14G Aluminum which the whole home had. I rewired the entire house in 12-2 wg just so i could feel safe. Never assume what came before you has been done correctly. Good luck...
 

Hollatchaboy

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OK amigo, I am no electrician but I've done a good deal of it. I usually pull the breaker and check the gauge of the wire for said circuit. If your wire is 14 gauge or larger, I would up that breaker to 20 amps. I also pull a few receptacles' and check the gauge at the box as well. I bought an old home in Colorado which was wired very poorly. It seems that in order to pass inspection the previous owner spliced 6" pieces of 12G copper to the receptacles then they just wire nutted that to the 14G Aluminum which the whole home had. I rewired the entire house in 12-2 wg just so i could feel safe. Never assume what came before you has been done correctly. Good luck...
Thanks for the tip. I'm not an electrician by no means either. I did wire a grow room in Cali back in 2011 with both 120 and 240 and had to create the 240 circuit. The box didn't have a main shut off so I had to do it while it was live. :o
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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Makes sense to me, and I'd do the same. I mean in reality a tech rider is just a request anyway. Years ago when I was a talent buyer at a night club, we'd get all sorts of riders with silly requests, and I'd just get out my red pen and start crossing things out, then send it back to the agent. They wouldn't always be happy, but were already pretty much locked in at that point, plus they should have read my offer sheet better, where we clearly wrote "house sounds and lights". My buddy is a sound guy, and he has it on his rider that he won't use certain consoles unless they buy him a bag of weed. He says that he has gotten several bags of weed that way. I also remember way back in the day when I was on tour, I once had to run a long extension cord to the kitchen just to get a free 20A circuit for the small lighting rig we carried.
So many clubs with really shitty power or who haven't bothered to figure out how the power needs to work. It used to be smaller clubs or bars when it used to be things like the beer fridge would be on the same circuit or maybe the window neons, etc. Later it was bigger rooms but we'd find the 'production' (lights, smoke machines, etc) would be tied into the same circuit...that shit is hard to suss because you're not using it during check, but come showtime, all that is running and what was clean and perfect for check gets ugly fast.

My thing for stage setup was to have unlimited clean headroom (all tube high voltage pre's, super big power stages)...so my most current touring rig uses an amp that was built for me using Hypex units... it's 2500w RMS and peak is closer to 3500w or more. So, yeah, that circuit is really important. Also, if power gets clustery, the IEM setup and the wifi that controls it for the monitor mixes gets super erratic and futzy.

*I also prided myself on a non-pushy hospitality rider. The thing that got the most pushback was 10 9v batteries, which was the least presumptuous inclusion...Batteries for the stage wireless units. Once people understood that, they stopped questioning it.
 
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