The Art of The Auto

Oguns Thunder.....
Starting to declare males...




BTW..the first ball opened on BX1 today..so I wasn't far off.
I thought the sudden drop in light and heat would slow it..
but..
it didn't....Hearts like little Lions..

p.s....don't they look like mini celery plants....?

Hey John, I used to be a surveyor before this recession hit. I love me some AutoCad.

Correction, I like AutoCad, but I would rather be in the field. My favorite part was doing recon on big parcels that where very old. I loved looking for that old piece of planted granite with a tack or punch hole in the top.

word word word to all word!

Mossers... right on... that why i'm thinkin ur jems will match in nice trait-wise to my km s


yes they do look like celery stalks!

also... instead of having to own equipment (100,000 + dollars) to get topographic data now I can just import it from google earth...


on the pistils... you'd know better than me but 'm not "trickin'" lol

hitman... u 2 huh?

Thats where I got some of my cad experience... but mostly before and after from my own design work... glad to be done surveying... was sick of it all...
my own boss now... much better....

but when i did it my fav was recon on huge old parcels too! although robotic stakeout can be fun depending how critical what ur stakin is and how uptihgt everyone on the site is! lol

burn that freakin ganja boys! BURN IT!

J

Morning guys
thought id stop in and share a few before i go tend to them
and then ill be back

Hope your weekend is as good as mine

looking great FD... morning!

Here they are back in the cab, ive removed the male this morning as i dont want any seed this is a full on smoke run for weights and density.



This is my first run with the ICU and i want to see what i can get out of her but second with the BB. I like the smoke so much from the first BB that i wanted some quantity this time. I have a few extra BB beans so i can always IBL then later.

On the good side my latest PJ seed harvest is about ready to start germ. They will be 2 weeks old tomorrow so i can begin germing them at any time. I may start tonight on a germ by the time they show their heads ill have all sex on the others and all possible males removed IF there are any more.

On the male root system.....

When i de potted him first thing i wanted to see was were there any roots on the bottom of the pot yet..
NONE...Couldnt believe it so i began to break down the dirt to locate the root mass.
After i had it all out on the table the only main root was about 5in long and the rest...
a spider web of feeders. When i see this i can only smile cause i know all she is doing is eating eating eating

But that still leaves us with what causes sex or triggers it if you will.
i have shown sex every time at 2 weeks between days 14-16 every time.
Then there is Shroomy who sows at 5-6 weeks and then there are the others that show in 4
Im puzzled here on this one, is there any chance that they show depending on light intensity with age??

Something that says "hey i have had this amount of light for such and such amount of days, its ok to start to flower"
or just the amount of direct light educes the sexing faster? Not sure what the cause is......Thoughts?

mossys said:

BTW..the first ball opened on BX1 today..so I wasn't far off.
I thought the sudden drop in light and heat would slow it..
but..
it didn't....Hearts like little Lions..

p.s....don't they look like mini celery plants....?

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Interesting enough, i figured the cold would put a slow on them too but it has not.
that was my biggest worry after i had the cold night swing here.
Not the case as you can see they haven't slowed one bit.

And you may be on to a new style of stealth there with those look a likes
Seems to me there more looky likey than you expected.
"i swear it just celery"

mossys said:

Down to 1 degree C this morning...eeeeiiiiiyyyyyy..
I went down to the beach wrapped up like Nanook of the North..brrrrr....
Poor little DC girl out in that.

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makes me want to mail her a blanket for some cold nights like that

Out plants are about 75% water..
because that is what the dry out rate is when you harvest..
it stands to reason that the water we use is Probably More important than the food.

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the most important thing they could have
its up to the water and soil's ph to be right or the plant CANT eat
if the water is right you will LOVE the results

But..
If it is Cold induced...
then I'll have to keep them all to myself...
grow them every off season...
and torment the life out of all of you with them....

hmmmmmm.....sounds Good to me.....

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Not fair, you already torment us all with the colors, the rare genetics, and the amazing looking multi grows, now you wanna go in and throw this in evil just plain evil

John Mondello said:

looking great FD... morning!

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Morning JM

I have to say that i have to return the compliment because your room is looking mighty fine
Saw the pics this morning and all i could do was smile bro
I see the problem is not progressing and that always makes the room vibe better
now its time to start seeing the changes that we all know and love

Well, my first grow ever and I decided to start with autos. I made some noob mistakes, stressed the hell out of my girls and caused very slow growth. I've made some changes, corrected as many problems as I could and they are perking up and looking a lot better. The problem is, they are beginning to flower even though they are still runts .

I'm on week 4 now, indoor, hydro growing MI5 and Snowryder under 400 watts MH. I'll be switching to HPS bulb today. During the flowering period how much more in size will they grow?

Just thought i would post some picture updates on how my girls are lookin.... The first 2 pics are the AK48 at 39 days old... 3rd and 4th pics are the BLUE HIMALYA at 34 days old and the 5th and 6th pics are the PAKISTAN RYDER at 42 days old and the 6th pic is just a group shot of all of the girls. Hope everyone has a great day and good luck to all....

Thanks FD.. I'm feelin better and sp are they now! Thanks for your help on the diagnostics too...

We definetly need to keep working on what triggers sexing... sounds as thogh tap root depth may not have anything to do with it...

TBC...

J

Hey Mossy
had to drop a line to say a big thanks for the tip the other week to help my over pruned girl.
The 1/4 strength nutes every other day has certainly done the trick, as the pictures will testify, you are most definitely the David Bellamy of our generation

Gonna have to chop her in 2 weeks as the inlaws are coming over and that may be a bit early for her but at least then i can crack on with my short riders which will hopefully be auto's this time!

1 question if i may
As i have LST'd her and have 12 decent buds growing at the top, how will the yield compare to if she just had one main bud? does the overall yield even out over the 12 buds or would they all act like main ones?




BTW just tried to give you rep but need to 'spread it around' a bit first. I'll send you good karma instead

Whooo..hoooo FullD..
they seem to be enjoying their new potting system eh!
Lovely..lovely balance on your Fat Bird...mmmmm....

Lovely close upon the trics where you can see all the baby fluff hairiness on her.

On your photo of the 5 in the cab...
are the one on the top left..and the bottom right the same cross...
with the 3 in the middle the other....?

I may start tonight on a germ by the time they show their heads ill have all sex on the others and all possible males removed IF there are any more.

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Sounds like a Plan man....

"i swear it just celery"

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your Honour..Sir..gulp..

Interesting enough, i figured the cold would put a slow on them too but it has not

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Me too...mind..he's outdoor with the fem now..it might put him off dropping the rest.
@ these temps..I know it would put me off...

and throw this in evil just plain evil

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I Used to be nice you know...
but..
I think seeing 3 kids through the teenage years just grows you this evil streak a mile wide....

makes me want to mail her a blanket for some cold nights like that

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mmmm...since you have decided the black is probably Cold triggered...
would that be to warm her up...so she stays Green.....

I tell you..you have some sneaky tricks Bro...

the most important thing they could have
its up to the water and soil's ph to be right or the plant CANT eat

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mmmm..that is what worries me...humans are 70% water too...
and I'm drinking the stuff.
Makes you think when you see what effect it has on the girls.

The problem is, they are beginning to flower even though they are still runts

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monkster..
if you have stumpied them..they will probably not move much more after sex I'm afraid.
Try giving them a little sugar..
Dissolve 5ml..TEAspoon to a pint of water..and feed them with it...
IF they have any reserves..that will probably kick-start it.

b.R....they are All Great m8..they make my Mouth Water.
You certainly have the touch with AF's.
That Blue is just Glowing....mmm..mmm...

We definetly need to keep working on what triggers sexing

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Yeah m8..now I'm more confident on my water...
I think we should have a few Projects out come Spring..

Alright! I'm excited! Starting up for the first time indoors. Going FullAuto! Lowryder 2.

So, I have a few questions....
1. I plan on taking the raised cup planter technique FD uses, and germing right into plain potting soil inside the cup, and setting the bottomless cup on FFOF. My question's are: Should I mix perlite into the germ cup? If so how much? And, how much perlite should I mix into the FFOF?
2. The light source for germing is a 400w mh. How far should I distance the light for germing and the first week? Thank you.

Also I was wondering if anyone has experimented with the taproot hitting the bottom of the pot triggering flowering? I figure large diameter pvc pipes would make great test containers. You could cut them to any length. And they are easy to add drainage holes and other mods.

Mossy, I tried the mango. It didn't have any ill effects, but did not seem to offer any extra medicinal interaction of benefit. But, I feel it may have had some viagra effect, I noticed it as well as my Lady.

mossys said:

Whooo..hoooo FullD..
they seem to be enjoying their new potting system eh!
Lovely..lovely balance on your Fat Bird...mmmmm....

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Thank you my friend Indeed they really do. I have gone back to look at the original JEM that i grew and this one is way bigger in size at sex then the JEM was
thing is the JEM was in a 1.5 gal no raise, this on is in a 1 gal with 16oz raise loving the drop i am sure.

On your photo of the 5 in the cab...
are the one on the top left..and the bottom right the same cross...
with the 3 in the middle the other....?

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From left to right first two top and bottom are Bad Betty
the two in the middle and the one on far right are ICU

The plant in the back left was the last to show its head
its been playing catch up but doing really really well and growing fast
id say about 4 days behind the other one in there.

Im starting to think that ICU on the far right MIGHT be a micro pheno
its growing but a little smaller scale than the rest. Then again it might surprise me
Id say it was the biggest impacted by the cold night.

@ these temps..I know it would put me off...

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i second that one i KNOW it would put a hold on things

I Used to be nice you know...
but..
I think seeing 3 kids through the teenage years just grows you this evil streak a mile wide....

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I hear ya and am learning that too..no teens yet but its going to be here before i know it.

mossys said:

mmmm...since you have decided the black is probably Cold triggered...
would that be to warm her up...so she stays Green.....

I tell you..you have some sneaky tricks Bro...


mmmm..that is what worries me...humans are 70% water too...
and I'm drinking the stuff.
Makes you think when you see what effect it has on the girls.


monkster..
if you have stumpied them..they will probably not move much more after sex I'm afraid.
Try giving them a little sugar..
Dissolve 5ml..TEAspoon to a pint of water..and feed them with it...
IF they have any reserves..that will probably kick-start it.

b.R....they are All Great m8..they make my Mouth Water.
You certainly have the touch with AF's.
That Blue is just Glowing....mmm..mmm...


Yeah m8..now I'm more confident on my water...
I think we should have a few Projects out come Spring..

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I'm down for any project you are mossy! Let's get started! I love being innoivative and deciphering codes... so lets get it on!
I think I might run a couple controls when i do the next 21 flip... like one in one of mny starter pots and one in a couple different lengths pvc (was thinking that too dude! [harry larry]) ... I'll keep all same light an nutes (in same closet) and see if there's a difference in flower time. That should eliminate or point to more testing of the tap-root-bottom-theory.. hereby referred to as TRBT from now on. Then we can move on to different light regimes etc. etc.

FullDuplex said:

Thank you my friend Indeed they really do. I have gone back to look at the original JEM that i grew and this one is way bigger in size at sex then the JEM was
thing is the JEM was in a 1.5 gal no raise, this on is in a 1 gal with 16oz raise loving the drop i am sure.




From left to right first two top and bottom are Bad Betty
the two in the middle and the one on far right are ICU

The plant in the back left was the last to show its head
its been playing catch up but doing really really well and growing fast
id say about 4 days behind the other one in there.

Im starting to think that ICU on the far right MIGHT be a micro pheno
its growing but a little smaller scale than the rest. Then again it might surprise me
Id say it was the biggest impacted by the cold night.



i second that one i KNOW it would put a hold on things



I hear ya and am learning that too..no teens yet but its going to be here before i know it.

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check check and check on all the above.. and a lil chip in here... my daughter goes teenager this april.... ahhhhhhh!
I'm freakin out man! lol

also... what about general root mass hitting a barrier (pot walls) you said your taps hadn't hit bottom but you were flowering right? had it hit side of the cups or pot yet? with the root mass?

harry larry said:

So, I have a few questions....
1. I plan on taking the raised cup planter technique FD uses, and germing right into plain potting soil inside the cup, and setting the bottomless cup on FFOF. My question's are: Should I mix perlite into the germ cup? If so how much? And, how much perlite should I mix into the FFOF?

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I would mix perlite into both the cup and the FFOF. This seems to promote really good spacing and make the soil light. Allowing for more feeding roots than tap roots. I would make sure that you got sterile perlit ( not the MG stuff) and put half the bag to 25 pounds. When i mix mine i get my compo in 50lb bags i cut them in half and add my mixes. Adding half of a bag of perlite to 25lb of cow poop makes a big difference to the feel of the soil.

2. The light source for germing is a 400w mh. How far should I distance the light for germing and the first week? Thank you.

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With that 400 i am not sure, i run 250 and am about 20'' form the tops. So id say at least that with that 400 you have about 30,000 lumens on me