The 99%- occupy movement- lacking focus and organisation!

joey555 said:
sync- DID THE QUOTES SHOW UP......b/c on my end they did. sorry about the punction, grammer, sentence structure......i just don't care when it comes to interfacing on the computer.

i use the most expedient way for me to type- sorry.

BUT if 1 takes there time- reads the post w/ his quotes intact~~ u can see for example=

i also enjoy how u use my words, or misrepresent them- 1. I NEVER SAID:




I SAID UNFETTERED! SO THE ESSENCE U LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS VERY WRONG. BECAREFUL ABOUT MISQUOTING!

IT'S FUNNY HOW U MIS-REPRESENT ME THEN USE MY QUOTE THAT DOES NOT EQUATE TO UR PREMISE. UR CHAIN OF REASONING APPEARS FLAWED, W/ REGARD TO THIS.

WHAT PART OF THAT IS CONFUSING.......just curious??
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Without responding to the latter half of your post I will say this:

The reason it is so damn hard is because your bright ass colors, the improper use of the words their/there/they're (Yes, you use the wrong one and it is confusing), the use of symbols instead of a three letter word, the way you cut your words off in the middle to shortcut. Overall, you probably struggle very much getting your point across because your are just to damn lazy. Sorry to break it to you, just thought I'd educate you so you can effectively get your point across.

PS: Don't give me that 'I don't care, it's the internet' shit, because you do. That is why you are always getting so passionate in your posts.
 
You really should attempt to spell better and trying to get rid of a bit of the colors. It is an unnecessary chore to have to translate your posts.

joey555 said:
look @ what u just said

since u want to get technical......ur reason indicator- "because" was used to give reason to ur conclusion. ur conclusion isn't that clear. 1. u go from the internet to the feds again. then u say- . well again that is conjecture. It appears that u want to simplify things....thats ok, i know it's more dynamic than that.
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Even with the quotes that you weren't capable of putting into the reply I can say that you are just trying to pick at me because I made you look like a chump, it happens. Simplifying things is important.
$ goes ^ beacuse the government & feds purposefully do it. see what u are not explaining is the fiscal policy that plays the part along w/ the CBO, granted too by the power invoked in art. 1 sec. 8 U.S. constitution. then their is monetary policy which is where BERNAKE comes in. THEY ARE 2 VERY DIFFERENT THINGS BUT can be equally impactful.
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I would argue that article 1, section 8 does not authorize the actions of the federal reserve. The issue being that the Federal Reserve is not part of the government at all. The fiscal policy is the entire actions of the Federal Reserve. Bernanke outright said the Fed caused the Great Depression.


BUT if one were to use ur premise about the gov't. & fed then one can make a conclusion that "unfettered capitalism" did, in big part, cause the GREAT DEPRESSION. Capitalism can, almost, only survive in a DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY can be the breeding ground to it. It was an abstract but went applicable......after MERCHANTILISM. Their is a correlation to capitalism & democracy that , i believe is agreeable. if NOT let me know i will provide examples to all of this! NOT 1 TIME DID U ASK FOR AN EXMAPLE OR REFERENCE.

IF U WANT TO HAVE A HEALTHY ARGUMENT- U SHOULD KNOW (I assume u have a formal education, i shouldn't assume.....but iam only HUMAN AREN'T I)
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I could point out that America is not a democracy, but why bother. I could also point out that a democracy is not the ideal situation for capitalism or even a good situation. Or perhaps I could point out the difference between a democracy and a republic. What exactly would I ask you for an example of? Capitalism blowing children up?

I should know what? Knowledge is knowledge, it matters not the way in which it is gained. That being said, I would consider myself a fairly educated person.

i also enjoy how u use my words, or misrepresent them- 1. I NEVER SAID: I SAID UNFETTERED! SO THE ESSENCE U LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS VERY WRONG. BECAREFUL ABOUT MISQUOTING!

IT'S FUNNY HOW U MIS-REPRESENT ME THEN USE MY QUOTE THAT DOES NOT EQUATE TO UR PREMISE. UR CHAIN OF REASONING APPEARS FLAWED, W/ REGARD TO THIS.
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What? lol.



BOTTOM LINE IS WE DID HAVE, IN LARGE PRT., @ 1 TIME UNFETTERED CAPITALISM. NOW, ARGUEABLY, WE HAVE AN OLIGARCHY.......but that too seems like an oversimplification.

+ u never responded to the question about AYN RAND! u seem to select the things u have some knowledge about and disregard the rest.

if u wanna debate.....ur right! i agree this is the place to do it.......I'M DOWN W/ a healthy debate! ur move!
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You are blaming capitalism for things that it didn't do. Even if I were to agree about it being unfettered capitalism, I would still not agree that it caused the Great Depression since I know that to be incorrect. We have an imperfect system, and always have. Unfettered capitalism means unfettered for everyone. Allowing big business to bribe politicians into passing laws and destroying competition is not unfettered capitalism. I present the railroads as an example of your 'unfettered capitalism'. Anyone who has read about the history of American economics knows that at no point have we had an unfettered capitalist system.

I missed one question in 20. It happens. I have read Ayn Rand, yes. I am not a huge fan of her writing, but I haven't read any of the fiction stuff in a long time. Her ideas are interesting and I agree with many of them. I do not like her writing style though.
 
Suppose this is an oligarchy that we are living now.

1) No matter how much regulating our government does, this will probably not stop the Oligarchy

2) No matter how much un-regulating our government does, this probably not stop the Oligarchy

We as American citizens are media whores. WE are the reason that the candidate who spends the most money often times wins the elections. WE the PEOPLE. It's OUR fault. We have allowed the elite classes to essentially buy our opinions, to market our interests, and to sell our hearts and minds to their favorite politicians.
 
joey555 said:
SYNC.......HERE U GO , HOPE THIS CLARIFIES THINGS W/ REGARD TO THAT POST.

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Its CAR THOR ES in pronunciation. It is from a book written by Edgar Rice Burroughs. The video doesn't change anything, you said the same thing. It is telling that a grown man wearing a batman mask and stoned on youtube does that because he thinks people will understand him better. I am guessing you don't have a lot going on. I spend 10 minutes or so on my posts generally as I work. Thank you for making a post just for me on youtube. lol. You obviously have some issues. I think you are more upset that I challenged your purple and pink nonsense than you are about the actual conversation. We have the internet now, references are pointless. I use this thing called google when I question something being put to me.

The Federal Reserve sucks balls. You got me on that one lol.
 
DAMMM! IDK I WAS DEALING W/ UNDER-EDUCATED PPL. 200px-Fascist_Eagle_svg.png

WELL I LIKE TO HELP, BUT DAMM.......I AM NOT GOING TO USE MY KNOWLEDEGE, THAT IN "REAL LIFE", MAKES ME MORE OF AN AUTHORITY ON THE SUBJECT THAN U, FOR FREE. HAHAHA

IT APPEARS U GUYS GET MORE FROM MY POST THAN ME LEARNING FROM U. I DON'T MIND EDUCATING PPL. BUT I WILL NOT CONTINUALLY TEACH U FELLAS POLITICAL SCIENCE IF U ARE UNWILLING TO DO SOME OF THE LEG-WORK URSELF. WHAT'S MORE, IS THAT U BOTH, SYNC & C, DON'T EVEN STUDY, LOOK UP, OR CHECK THE THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT.

U BOTH COME OFF AS IF U HAVE A PROCLIVITY FOR POLITICS......AS IF U KNOW ALL THAT POLITICAL SCIENCE HAS TO OFFER. WELL THEN RUN FOR OFFICE, OR BECOME A LEGISLATIVE-AIDE, OR ANY POSITION THAT CAN GET U INTO THE POLTICAL REALM. B/C LIKE I SAID B-4; U CANNOT CHANGE THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE W/O 1ST BEING ABLE TO GET INSIDE THE HOUSE.

SEE? HERE IS AN EXAMPLE= B/C OF THAT LITTLE PIECE OF PAPER & THE EDUCATION THAT CAME W/ IT- IAM MORE MARKETABLE THEN U AND MY WORDS CARRY MORE WEIGHT THAN URS IN POLITICS. SEE? THAT'S "REAL-LIFE" ! BUT
THE 2 OF U ARE INCAPABLE OF NEGOTIATING BTWN REALITY & FANTASY
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SHIT, IF I HAVE TO SCHOOL THE 2 OF U- THEN I WANT TO BE PAID FOR IT. +REP FOR C- HAHAHA.......THERE U GO U CAN REST UR LAURALS ON THE REPUTATION METER OF RIU.

BUT I REALIZE I SHOULD BE PAID
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TO HAVE TO PUT UP W/ SILLY ARGUMENTS W/ PPL. WHO POSTULATE.....INEFFECTIVE ARGUMENTS, MAKE UP THINGS AND PRESENT THEM AS A AXIOM OF POLITICAL TOPICS.

PART I- and i hope ur computer has a good clock-speed, and not running @ 1 ghz. 2. try not to internalise this as an affront on u....but the subject matter & how u relate to it.

PRT I =[video=youtube;rgg_mHAt_l8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgg_mHAt_l8&feature=youtu.be[/video]

PRT II= feel like I'm teaching a little kid; like my daughter} [video=youtube;B_dN1Q5HL9E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_dN1Q5HL9E&feature=youtu.be[/video]
 
Uhhhohhh not another spelling grammer cop wana be is it LITTLE_KID_GEEK_SQUAD_CAR.png
carthoris said:
you really should attempt to spell better and trying to get rid of a bit of the colors. It is an unnecessary chore to have to translate your posts. [/color][/b] even with the quotes that you weren't capable of putting into the reply i can say that you are just trying to pick at me because i made you look like a chump, it happens. Simplifying things is important. i would argue that article 1, section 8 does not authorize the actions of the federal reserve. The issue being that the federal reserve is not part of the government at all. The fiscal policy is the entire actions of the federal reserve. Bernanke outright said the fed caused the great depression. [/b][/color]i could point out that america is not a democracy, but why bother. I could also point out that a democracy is not the ideal situation for capitalism or even a good situation. Or perhaps i could point out the difference between a democracy and a republic. What exactly would i ask you for an example of? Capitalism blowing children up? I should know what? Knowledge is knowledge, it matters not the way in which it is gained. That being said, i would consider myself a fairly educated person. [/size][/b][/i][/size][/color]what? Lol. You are blaming capitalism for things that it didn't do. Even if i were to agree about it being unfettered capitalism, i would still not agree that it caused the great depression since i know that to be incorrect. We have an imperfect system, and always have. Unfettered capitalism means unfettered for everyone. Allowing big business to bribe politicians into passing laws and destroying competition is not unfettered capitalism. I present the railroads as an example of your 'unfettered capitalism'. Anyone who has read about the history of american economics knows that at no point have we had an unfettered capitalist system. I missed one question in 20. It happens. I have read ayn rand, yes. I am not a huge fan of her writing, but i haven't read any of the fiction stuff in a long time. Her ideas are interesting and i agree with many of them. I do not like her writing style though.
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The usa is the most fucked pig headed civilized country around who care why would ya want to live in such a place and dont get me started on why i could fill a whole riu server with reasons american key words "now" licks major balls who cares about right wing this capatilism that grammar this spell that .......................your politics are hijacked worst than this thread is
 
0calli said:
The usa is the most fucked pig headed civilized country around who care why would ya want to live in such a place and dont get me started on why i could fill a whole riu server with reasons american key words "now" licks major balls who cares about right wing this capatilism that grammar this spell that .......................your politics are hijacked worst than this thread is
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Who is "you" and "your"? Are you referring to Americans and American politics? Is this something you think many Americans don't know? As fucked up as America is I wouldn't live anywhere else. It's what YOU make it.

How do you expect to carry yourself in PUBLIC if you can't spell correctly or use proper grammar? To me, someone who won't take the time to type out their thoughts in clear, concise sentences with a subject and opinion probably won't have very intelligent thoughts to begin with. There is no beneficial purpose to anyone reading the thread in abbreviating three letter words. It shows intellectual laziness. Furthermore, this is a persistent problem in society, deal with it how you want. Those that point it out are only trying to help, take the criticism as constructive and change your delivery to more effectively communicate your position/point.
 
Padawanbater2 said:

Who is "you" and "your"? Are you referring to Americans and American politics? Is this something you think many Americans don't know? As fucked up as America is I wouldn't live anywhere else. It's what YOU make it.

How do you expect to carry yourself in PUBLIC if you can't spell correctly or use proper grammar? To me, someone who won't take the time to type out their thoughts in clear, concise sentences with a subject and opinion probably won't have very intelligent thoughts to begin with. There is no beneficial purpose to anyone reading the thread in abbreviating three letter words. It shows intellectual laziness. Furthermore, this is a persistent problem in society, deal with it how you want. Those that point it out are only trying to help, take the criticism as constructive and change your delivery to more effectively communicate your position/point.
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OH , BUT I CAN.....SEE, IM NOT IN PUBLIC, IM ON THE INTERNET WHICH IS A PUBLIC DOMAIN. BUT I SEE U ALL CANNOT REBUTT WHAT I SAY. SO U ATTACK THE SPELLING LMAO!!

U CAN READ IT, U CAN UNDERSTAND IT, BUT U CANNOT REBUTT THE THINGS I SAY BOTTOM LINE!

BTW....PAD....MAYBE U SHOULDN'T USE COLORS ON UR TEXT B/C THAT WAS ANOTHER COMPLAINT.....LET'S SEE IF U JUMP ON THAT BANDWAGON! SINCE U URSELF USE COLORS.

IF U ARE JUST trying to give me some constructive criticism-FINE, but if ur gonna rag on it......then obviously u are part of the bandwagon w/ no rebutts nor answers.

see, no one else complains on any other thread.

best wishes.......................JOEY
 
silasraven said:
because the movement started as a multi issue protest. there is no one problem. they are taking years worth of wrong and putting it all in perspective.
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There in lies the problem! No focus, no structure in areas that require structure for a movement to thrive. What is it your not getting? I see the exact same way on this issue unfortunately as joey555 does. Now I probably would venture to say I would like to see much much more success than what joey555 mentioned, but that is just not possible with the "squatters" taking advantage of the movement as well. Of course FOX News never misses one of those fuckers!
 
JamCE said:
There in lies the problem! No focus, no structure in areas that require structure for a movement to thrive. What is it your not getting? I see the exact same way on this issue unfortunately as joey555 does. Now I probably would venture to say I would like to see much much more success than what joey555 mentioned, but that is just not possible with the "squatters" taking advantage of the movement as well. Of course FOX News never misses one of those fuckers!
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HAHAHA.......................SO TRUE.....FOX IS @ THE READY W/ CARICATURING THEM AS DIRTY HIPPIES WHO HAVE NO SENSE OF INTELLIGENCE.

[video=youtube;ldvkMUVE3O0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldvkMUVE3O0[/video]
 
joey555 said:
So im comming from arch street, and what do i see? "Occupy"; the 99% movement, the socialist movement, GLBT rights movement etc. AND THERE IN LIES THE PROBLEM: WHEN DEALING W/ FIGURES LIKE 99%, 1 CANNOT FIX THE OR ADDRESS EVERY ISSUE (ppl. w/ issues about DHS). IT is sloppy logistically, i commend them on galvinizing and trying but w/o leadership & organization w/ a concise message w/ a coomon thread and prioritize from there. it will fall into a state of entropy and the "AMERICAN AUTUAM" will fizzle out if this is not addressed 1st.:wall::fire:


How can ppl. sustain a movement w/o identifying a common thread when dealing w/ figures LIKE 99%??? The movement is in dire need of leadership & organisation. THEY NEED STRUCTURE, compartmentaization.....a fugure head/s , ppl. who can get in where they fit in as far as talents and expertise. If the MEDIA comes @ them w/ questions i would NOT WANT THE GUY 4OFT. AWAY TALKING ABOUT WANTING SOCIALISM representing the aggregate of the movement- yet that is what is happening. RESULT THE MEDIA HAS & WILL CARICATURE THE MOVEMENT AS A BUNCH OF BONGO-PLAYING-POT-SMOKING HIPPIES.
THERE IS A TREMENDOUS LACK of focus- w/ emphasis on WALLSTREET.....yet no focus or grievence about the municiple and state level politicians who have allowed the status quoe. Most of these problems STEM FROM DEMOCRATIC & REPUBLICAN ABUSES OF POWER or MISLEADERSHIP. IN PARTICULIAR, PHILLY is DEMOCRAT, SO FOCUS ON THEM- OR UR RESPECTIVE DISTRICT that is dominated by 1 party. THEY HAVE THE ENERGY but like any spoiled society ignorance rules the day. UNTIL someone like VAN JONES (black political leader) who is helping the NEW YORK MOVEMENT, Philly's movement will FALL INTO ENTROPY!:wall:

HAVING A DEGREE IN POLITICAL SCIENCE I can't help but identify the flaws and try and form consensus, organize, and have a figure head/s. this movemnet is sevrely lacking in many ways. best wishes............joey
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It needs to be this way. If it's controlled by one, or a group of people, the socialists will figure out a way to infiltrate the top tier and take over. When that happens everything, besides what they want, will fall to the whey side.
That's what socialists do.
 
airwave said:
it needs to be this way. If it's controlled by one, or a group of people, the socialists will figure out a way to infiltrate the top tier and take over. When that happens everything, besides what they want, will fall to the whey side.
That's what socialists do.
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w/ all due respect.....i don't agree...when i get time i will explain.

But thanx for contributing in a + way.

Unlike seca......who has nothing to offer then pointing out mispelled words, sentence struture, run-off sentences, grammer, punction.

We do not care....we are just driving home points...no one else complains in any other thread....lmao

so go ahead.....but watch my vids.....then tell me u have a better grip on political secience then me.

Iam an authority on the topic -peroid.

What was ur discipline in school???
 
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