Thank you tea party patriots!

jkahndb0

jkahndb0

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Rob Roy said:
Anything taken that isn't yours , without the owners consent is theft. There is no "magic number" that makes theft, "not theft" or vice versa.
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That is why both in the Constitution and according to the Supreme Court taxes on wages and labor is illegal.. Even in the tax code it says income tax is voluntary, but i guess that doesn't matter does it....
 
Doer

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Rob Roy said:
Anything taken that isn't yours , without the owners consent is theft. There is no "magic number" that makes theft, "not theft" or vice versa.
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You do not get to define theft. And you are right. No magic.

The tribe defines what is or is not thief. Not the anarchist, the tribe.

So, a tax has never been theft, as there is nothing you can do about it when the tribes says it is OK.

The anarchist is plowed under by justified force. Checkmate.
 
mountaingarden

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Canna Sylvan said:
Who got rid of the insane asylums, genius redundant "liberal socialist."
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Which began the phenomenon we now call "homeless". I was there and watched mentally ill people wander the streets and live in parks. He turned helpless people into homeless people and for that I know he's got a special place in the worst place Christians threaten each other with.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Doer said:
You do not get to define theft. And you are right. No magic.

The tribe defines what is or is not thief. Not the anarchist, the tribe.

So, a tax has never been theft, as there is nothing you can do about it when the tribes says it is OK.

The anarchist is plowed under by justified force. Checkmate.
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Tyranny of the majority.

We were initially set up to avoid this. I don't see how in a communicable society though, but the attempt was made.
 
ginwilly

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UncleBuck said:
finwilly hates the constitution, america, minorities, women, and america.
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luv ya man, hope you get those issues worked out. I really do feel pity for you, honestly. If there is anything I can do to help let me know. I recommend cutting long way..
 
UncleBuck

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ginwilly said:
luv ya man, hope you get those issues worked out. I really do feel pity for you, honestly. If there is anything I can do to help let me know. I recommend cutting long way..
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in the other thread, you sat by as misogynistic comments were made, and did nothing.

then you excused said misogynistic statements preemptively. probably because you're such a swell guy.

i'm sorry you hate the constitution, women, minorities, america, america, and have a small penis.
 
Doer

Doer

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ginwilly said:
Tyranny of the majority.

We were initially set up to avoid this. I don't see how in a communicable society though, but the attempt was made.
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That is not right. We were and are still are set up to have a tyranny of the majority. But, now we see the Tyranny of the minorities and the tyranny of instant opinion mob-lobby ruled Press.

Don't be confused. :)
 
Doer

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mountaingarden said:
Which began the phenomenon we now call "homeless". I was there and watched mentally ill people wander the streets and live in parks. He turned helpless people into homeless people and for that I know he's got a special place in the worst place Christians threaten each other with.
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So you don't know about the grapes of wrath. :) This all began with the improperly regulated stock market that was huckstered in the 20s the same as it was in the 90s. Tulip Mania. is the same thing as Irrational Exuberance. Bur, then, in late 20s, there was no social safety net, at all. My brother wrote his Dissertation on it. He has able to link that early failure to the modern social failure of the State Mental institutions. He proved this is all about your personal safety net. And he showed you do not have to be mentally defective, just down on your luck. Seems silly, that was never proven, but that is science. He put this way, if the personal safety net is burned for whatever reason, there is no way to repair it, without help from someone or some organization.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Doer said:
That is not right. We were and are still are set up to have a tyranny of the majority. But, now we see the Tyranny of the minorities and the tyranny of instant opinion mob-lobby ruled Press.

Don't be confused. :)
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We were set up with individual liberties as the goal. Tyranny of the majority was a well known consequence of democracy and that's why we took efforts to avoid such a system. We did the best we could, but in a collective society it's near impossible. I reject the supposition that we were designed to have a tyranny of mob rule, the goals you read from our founders are quite clear in their contempt for it.

Agreed that we see the tyranny of the minority now. The "moral majority" dictated policy for years and they were most definitely NOT the majority they claimed. Just collectively louder. We see the same now when policy dictates we send home a first grader for bringing in a hello kitty bubble gun or pointing a finger and saying bang.

Doer, I think you are mostly right except that it was our intent to have mob rule. I really don't think we were initially designed that way. Might be a good exercise to start bringing out the Federalist papers and other communications from that era and before. I'm open to the possibility it was intentional, it's just my public school education told me otherwise. Many things I've learned since leaving school have since been discarded as rubbish, this may be another example.
 
Doer

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I never said it was our intent to have mob rule. I say the Royalist are intent on Mob rule to gain the Crown. Mobs are easily fool, but can easily turn.

Ask Robespierre head as it rolls by.

If the Fathers missed anything it was this, to me.

- we were not to be a 3rd rate player in the world with this Constituion
- instant communications make for instant mobs
- so complex that it became, it is beyond the grasp of the ordinary citizen
- that the Congress would morph into such gridlock

Other than that they had a pretty good idea. And really, the System does work around all that above.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Well said, I'm on your page now, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I really do think our system is the best, but that's because we haven't found a better one yet. Jefferson thought we'd need a revolution every 20 years or so to maintain our freedoms, he may have been correct.
 
Dan Kone

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Thanks again to all the conservatives in this thread. You never disappoint! Continue on with you're nutty claims....
 
twostrokenut

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ginwilly said:
Well said, I'm on your page now, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I really do think our system is the best, but that's because we haven't found a better one yet. Jefferson thought we'd need a revolution every 20 years or so to maintain our freedoms, he may have been correct.
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We are not going to come up with a better one, the one we have left the door wide open to adapt and change with the times. The tyrannists understand this, and that's why they have simply stepped around it, and proceeded forward.
 
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