Thai stick

johnp410

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also 1974 was to late for the good strains as access to Laos went down 72 i think....weed to strong poor time memory

same story with Temple Balls in the same day.....stupid idea as opium was far more expensive so why would they do that???....i know for sure this is bullshit to....

so many stories but we were there....and call bullshit on some.......
What he's referring to is a process called "passa-water" its a wash. They used left over water from cooking the morphine/heroin from the raw opium. It would be soaked then re-dried to absorb the opiate alkaloids. I read about it in Dj Short's book Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis. Quite a bit of info about the thai and other landrace strains in the book also.
 

AKUMA

Member
yes
I don't see smoking opiated Thai weed as "shitty". It was an experience like any other. If you didn't smoke an opiated Thai stick then how can you make comments about them? I don't understand that. You aren't an expert on anything you have no experience with. Don't like opium? Okay. That's fine....

...But you should realize that many, many people know Thai sticks the way I do -opiated. You obviously don't. So we're not even talking about the same thing, then, are we? You're trying to convince me that my apple is "shitty" because it's not your orange. -Pointless!

That is the experience I (and many others) know to be real Thai sticks. I'm not condoning opium-dipped weed. I'm not trying to bring back the past...and I'm not making any plans to bring anything to market. Those days are gone. So be it.

...However...if anyone who does know Thai sticks the way I know them, were to smoke just some high-grade Laotian weed from your farmer friend, then I guarantee you they wouldn't be getting the same high that I'm talking about!
true

i personaly do not like opium

got addicted to it
 

johnp410

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I've personally never had it. I would like to try it for the smells and taste alone. He (Dj Short) describes much of it as sweet, spicy, chocolate and coffee smelling.
To the guy who said it was what haze comes from is probably right, Short says he thinks highland Thai is one of the gene donors in the creation of haze varieties. Others also a juicy fruit Thai, purple Thai, and of course chocolate thai. Probably not as informative as the other book mentioned on this thread but a good read to say the least. I love reading so I guess I'm gonna have to go to amazon and try and track down the Thai stick book lol
Any other books worth reading, y'all know of?
 

AKUMA

Member
Opiates are great and then you find out they suck. Sad that it ruins lives like it does. I've had my run and I must say I'm glad to be alive and have that shit behind me.
hahah yes fun at first....then shit and death....good for you to kick it..

opiates very bad

we have a chance now to replace them with MJ

i have been able to replace them with MJ with many patients....

lets keep all this rolling

amazing in 40 years how it has changed......wohhheeeee
 

johnp410

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hahah yes fun at first....then shit and death....good for you to kick it..

opiates very bad

we have a chance now to replace them with MJ

i have been able to replace them with MJ with many patients....

lets keep all this rolling

amazing in 40 years how it has changed......wohhheeeee
That's great that you've been able to do that. I always thought that a clinic would be a good idea. Education and replacement therapy with Mj.
 

tstick

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Opiates may be bad to get addicted to, but I wasn't talking about addiction. And, if you've ever suffered a serious injury, then you might well bless the same opiates you are now cursing. Morphine is THE best pain-killing medicine on Earth -bar none. Thank God for papaver somniferum!

The very worst, addictive drugs on Earth are alcohol and nicotine.
 

AKUMA

Member
Opiates may be bad to get addicted to, but I wasn't talking about addiction. And, if you've ever suffered a serious injury, then you might well bless the same opiates you are now cursing. Morphine is THE best pain-killing medicine on Earth -bar none. Thank God for papaver somniferum!

The very worst, addictive drugs on Earth are alcohol and nicotine.
wrong again


Mj is proving to be a better pain killer than opiates...

for 4 years now i have used it to manage pain..

opiates are very destructive to the body ...

also make you feel terrible and must be increased constantly

also kill 200000 a year in the US

alcohol and nicotine bad too

i also have grown and used the poppy..very good for stomach disorders...

again personal experience my lower spine and knee are very bad i eat hash or oil and use CBD cream and have no pain...sometimes stupid though..we will be hopefuly setting up an international clinic here in BC with some very well know yoga and organic food guru's

hahahah welcome to come....
 

Dr. Who

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Opiates may be bad to get addicted to, but I wasn't talking about addiction. And, if you've ever suffered a serious injury, then you might well bless the same opiates you are now cursing. Morphine is THE best pain-killing medicine on Earth -bar none. Thank God for papaver somniferum!

The very worst, addictive drugs on Earth are alcohol and nicotine.
Opiates and alcohol share the same chemical in the brain that will cause the "need" for more when activated! Activation comes from a single use....Addiction is faster in opiates and the build up of that chemical can occur in as little as 3 uses - in the case of Heroin.....Not a lot long for misused Oxy. I had a friend who was addicted. Heroin, asked him one day what it's "like". His answer was "Do it once, you want it! Do it twice, you need it" Not the answer I was looking for but, it was enough to KILL the idea of giving it a "try"!

So then, Heroin, Meth, and Free base (crack) are the 3 fastest to get addicted too! Any one who follows this up with, "but I can control it" has an out of control problem!

I will not take an opiate longer then the first day or so after any operation or acute trauma! NASTY shit.....WORSE then alcohol on your liver!
You will never see or hear me bless anything to do with them! I have certain strains that will cover all my pain needs!
 

AKUMA

Member
Opiates and alcohol share the same chemical in the brain that will cause the "need" for more when activated! Activation comes from a single use....Addiction is faster in opiates and the build up of that chemical can occur in as little as 3 uses - in the case of Heroin.....Not a lot long for misused Oxy. I had a friend who was addicted. Heroin, asked him one day what it's "like". His answer was "Do it once, you want it! Do it twice, you need it" Not the answer I was looking for but, it was enough to KILL the idea of giving it a "try"!

So then, Heroin, Meth, and Free base (crack) are the 3 fastest to get addicted too! Any one who follows this up with, "but I can control it" has an out of control problem!

I will not take an opiate longer then the first day or so after any operation or acute trauma! NASTY shit.....WORSE then alcohol on your liver!
You will never see or hear me bless anything to do with them! I have certain strains that will cover all my pain needs!
good for you a new paradigm.

i was involved in rehab clinics for a few years and we took the position that most drug addicts are addicted the first time that they use their "drug of choice''
the believe is that the initial hi from the first time trying it is the glorious one and the rest is ...chasing the dragon....

herion was the one that people relapse the most on...

speed well if you take to much there is no coming back,,,,
 

tstick

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good for you a new paradigm.

i was involved in rehab clinics for a few years and we took the position that most drug addicts are addicted the first time that they use their "drug of choice''
the believe is that the initial hi from the first time trying it is the glorious one and the rest is ...chasing the dragon....

herion was the one that people relapse the most on...

speed well if you take to much there is no coming back,,,,
First off, I'm not "wrong again" since I haven't been wrong throughout this entire discussion. Everything I have cited is either from my own, direct experience or from your own direct quotes. You are the one who has been wrong since your initial claim of being the inventor of the Thai stick.

Secondly, I was given morphine in the emergency room in the form of a morphine drip. I was in terrible excruciating pain and nothing else they injected into me did anything -nothing. And then, they gave me the morphine drip. Within seconds (quite literally) I went from Hell to Heaven. I never became addicted from the experience. Many people who receive morphine don't become addicted. Morphine relieves incredible, unbearable pain -instantly. It's also what is given to people who are dying. It's a gift of nature. I'm thankful for it but I would never disrespect it's power.

That's why my experience with morphine's "little brother" -via the Thai stick- was so profound for me. The high had very little to do with weed. People who are searching for that elusive Thai stick experience will not get it from straight, Laotian buds. So this information needs to be told to people when they ask about Thai stick -otherwise, it's misleading. No one is going to EVER walk into a recreational store or a dispensary and get Thai stick...unless you start messing with the definitions of what a Thai stick is.
 

AKUMA

Member
First off, I'm not "wrong again" since I haven't been wrong throughout this entire discussion. Everything I have cited is either from my own, direct experience or from your own direct quotes. You are the one who has been wrong since your initial claim of being the inventor of the Thai stick.

Secondly, I was given morphine in the emergency room in the form of a morphine drip. I was in terrible excruciating pain and nothing else they injected into me did anything -nothing. And then, they gave me the morphine drip. Within seconds (quite literally) I went from Hell to Heaven. I never became addicted from the experience. Many people who receive morphine don't become addicted. Morphine relieves incredible, unbearable pain -instantly. It's also what is given to people who are dying. It's a gift of nature. I'm thankful for it but I would never disrespect it's power.

That's why my experience with morphine's "little brother" -via the Thai stick- was so profound for me. The high had very little to do with weed. People who are searching for that elusive Thai stick experience will not get it from straight, Laotian buds. So this information needs to be told to people when they ask about Thai stick -otherwise, it's misleading. No one is going to EVER walk into a recreational store or a dispensary and get Thai stick...unless you start messing with the definitions of what a Thai stick is.



well i am sure that they gave you a choice to use MJ products...yes morphine works...and you will not get addicted to it if it is to manage pain ..the problem being many people do not stop or reduce enough to not have a possible addiction issue...plus they have no other drugs to use but opium derivatives ..there is no other pain killer...just to be sure that you understand how pain killers work..they do not KILL the pain they only stop your receptors from receiving g the signal...
i can assure you that no matter what kind of pain you are in it can be dealt with by MJ products...like i tell my patients you will not feel any pain but you may not be awake...once we can do a better job this will not continue to be an issue...
end of life is where MJ shines the best...

where i said wrong again was because of your insistence that all thai stick was soaked in opium water..this is absolutely not true and only was done because people like you wanted it..

the original ' log' if you will... was not...and the sticks i ''designed'' if you prefer.... 20 to a bundle did not..either did any loads that i was involved in ..must have been restricted to the Us forces guys and the Girls would have served it...for the money....if your information comes from this part of the Thai society that was designed to service the US GI's .... not really the local society...but one created to extract as much money from you as possible....give you what you want and tell you ..you are god..hahahahahah

when you left the germans came..now we have ladyboys.....or Katoies if you will.....always been a part of that society as the Bhuddists believe they are people who upon reincarnation come back as the opposite sex with some holdover from previous life...and this is ok with them...

but now it is different and terrible..these poor people do it for the money...the operations fall apart in their 30's they cannot go back to their villages and most commit suicide.....
so that is part of legacy your GI's left behind....

i have lived in asia off and on for 40 years am married to and VIET and do business in Laos with farmers and the goverment...some business in Thailand too

so i have watched the transition from then to now.....

oh by the way

the best Laotian weed ..always better than Thai...comes from the Belovan plain where the US dropped 9 bombs an hour for 6 years...the most bombed place on earth... ever,,...children are still dying from finding unexploded ones ....

but i did not see Americans there picking them up..but i finance that..

so maybe before you take a position that is untenable..you should go and have some experience that gives you the right to have an opinion..

just so you think i am anti GI that is not true,,they were the best pilots ever..and i worked with many flying product out of Mexico to the US..one thing that was common with them was their hatred of the Government that sent them there.....

crazy fucks they were

they also became some of the best growers in northern Cal..somehow i could never be ok with them putting land mines and even helicopter mines to protect their crops..but they were pissed...

now most of these characters are gone...but they are the ones that put the effort into getting MJ here so we can have these discussions..and they should be honoured for that..
 

tstick

Well-Known Member
Are we talking about Thai sticks? I'm not here to talk about Germans, ladyboys, American GIs or the Vietnam War or the Khmer Rouge or your police chief friends or your SE Asian wife or how good the people over there are.

I know what Thai sticks are. And I'm not wrong.

I think it's ridiculous to come to this website and walk in the door yelling (all-caps) about how you invented Thai sticks...then backpedal on your claim and amend it to say that you invented the smaller version of the Thai sticks. That kind of claim needs proof. You have none. I think you are just excited to talk about SE Asian history and you're using this thread as a doorway for your movie-script-like imagination.

Whether you spend all your time over there or not...whether you know a police chief whose family grew weed or not....whatever your feeling are about the Hmong mountain people or American pilots during the Vietnam war...honestly, man...this thread is about Thai sticks.
 

AKUMA

Member
Are we talking about Thai sticks? I'm not here to talk about Germans, ladyboys, American GIs or the Vietnam War or the Khmer Rouge or your police chief friends or your SE Asian wife or how good the people over there are.

I know what Thai sticks are. And I'm not wrong.

I think it's ridiculous to come to this website and walk in the door yelling (all-caps) about how you invented Thai sticks...then backpedal on your claim and amend it to say that you invented the smaller version of the Thai sticks. That kind of claim needs proof. You have none. I think you are just excited to talk about SE Asian history and you're using this thread as a doorway for your movie-script-like imagination.

Whether you spend all your time over there or not...whether you know a police chief whose family grew weed or not....whatever your feeling are about the Hmong mountain people or American pilots during the Vietnam war...honestly, man...this thread is about Thai sticks.[/QUOT


haha yes so that means if you want to know about them you should want to know.

.where they were from

who grew it

how long have they been growing it

what kinds were there

where was it grown

what affects procuring may have on the people

what kinds of social changes take place..

how the money they receive changes them

what did it look like

how i got to you

who got it to you

proof...what kind of proof would you like??

there is many things to do with this product besides

WOOOOWWWWW man I am SO HI

to me i can talk to anyone about anything to do with MJ and tell if they are full of shit in minutes....
 

tstick

Well-Known Member
"to me i can talk to anyone about anything to do with MJ and tell if they are full of shit in minutes...."

Yeah, and I can tell if someone is full of shit in a matter of one sentence....


...like this one: "I CAN ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AS I INVENTED THE STICK BACK IN 1969......"
 

qwizoking

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i may not.know.much about thai weed specifically but i do know (as in this is my career, and one of the best in the country)
pharmaceuticals.. and cannabinoids,
which work....ok at best depending on issue




i also know crack and heroin like anything else dont get you addicted the second time you try them..?




just stick with thai stick talk and leave bs
 

tstick

Well-Known Member
I agree.

Thai sticks as I have described them are 100% legit. I know this from my own, personal experience with them.

Generally, when Thai sticks are referenced, people realize there is more to them than buds wrapped around a stick just for the fuck of it. It wasn't for looks or for transporting them. They were wrapped around sticks so as to facilitate dipping/drying.

Thai sticks don't smell like weed. They have a sickly sweet, weird, funky smell to them - a la the opium tea. I can't really describe the smell, but once you smell that smell, you'll never forget it. For all intents and purposes, the weed, itself, is just a substrate for the opium.

When people talk about Thai stick, in America, it is the opiated variety they reference -because that is the quality that sets them apart from anything else in the weed-related world....for one, obvious reason.

Having said that....I have seen things being sold in dispensaries -basically buds wrapped around a stick, rolled in hash oil and wrapped with a red string...They were calling those Thai sticks, too. I assume the hash oil treatment was an attempt to reference the technique of "dipping" the wrapped weed in something...obviously opium-dipped sticks are illegal...so someone got the bright idea for a way to make a "pretend" version for the legal market. I suppose there's nothing to stop someone from misusing a name.

Thus, no one will ever see real Thai stick in the legal marijuana market. So beware the snake oil salesmen and their wild claims.


*If someone walks into a church and announces that he can answer any and all questions about Christianity -because he is Jesus Christ, then please be skeptical of anything he says after that -no matter what it is...at least until he raises someone up from the dead! :)
 

AKUMA

Member
i may not.know.much about thai weed specifically but i do know (as in this is my career, and one of the best in the country)
pharmaceuticals.. and cannabinoids,
which work....ok at best depending on issue




i also know crack and heroin like anything else dont get you addicted the second time you try them..?




just stick with thai stick talk and leave bs
I agree.

Thai sticks as I have described them are 100% legit. I know this from my own, personal experience with them.

Generally, when Thai sticks are referenced, people realize there is more to them than buds wrapped around a stick just for the fuck of it. It wasn't for looks or for transporting them. They were wrapped around sticks so as to facilitate dipping/drying.

Thai sticks don't smell like weed. They have a sickly sweet, weird, funky smell to them - a la the opium tea. I can't really describe the smell, but once you smell that smell, you'll never forget it. For all intents and purposes, the weed, itself, is just a substrate for the opium.

When people talk about Thai stick, in America, it is the opiated variety they reference -because that is the quality that sets them apart from anything else in the weed-related world....for one, obvious reason.

Having said that....I have seen things being sold in dispensaries -basically buds wrapped around a stick, rolled in hash oil and wrapped with a red string...They were calling those Thai sticks, too. I assume the hash oil treatment was an attempt to reference the technique of "dipping" the wrapped weed in something...obviously opium-dipped sticks are illegal...so someone got the bright idea for a way to make a "pretend" version for the legal market. I suppose there's nothing to stop someone from misusing a name.

Thus, no one will ever see real Thai stick in the legal marijuana market. So beware the snake oil salesmen and their wild claims.


*If someone walks into a church and announces that he can answer any and all questions about Christianity -because he is Jesus Christ, then please be skeptical of anything he says after that -no matter what it is...at least until he raises someone up from the dead! :)
 

AKUMA

Member
I agree.

Thai sticks as I have described them are 100% legit. I know this from my own, personal experience with them.

Generally, when Thai sticks are referenced, people realize there is more to them than buds wrapped around a stick just for the fuck of it. It wasn't for looks or for transporting them. They were wrapped around sticks so as to facilitate dipping/drying.

Thai sticks don't smell like weed. They have a sickly sweet, weird, funky smell to them - a la the opium tea. I can't really describe the smell, but once you smell that smell, you'll never forget it. For all intents and purposes, the weed, itself, is just a substrate for the opium.

When people talk about Thai stick, in America, it is the opiated variety they reference -because that is the quality that sets them apart from anything else in the weed-related world....for one, obvious reason.

Having said that....I have seen things being sold in dispensaries -basically buds wrapped around a stick, rolled in hash oil and wrapped with a red string...They were calling those Thai sticks, too. I assume the hash oil treatment was an attempt to reference the technique of "dipping" the wrapped weed in something...obviously opium-dipped sticks are illegal...so someone got the bright idea for a way to make a "pretend" version for the legal market. I suppose there's nothing to stop someone from misusing a name.

Thus, no one will ever see real Thai stick in the legal marijuana market. So beware the snake oil salesmen and their wild claims.


*If someone walks into a church and announces that he can answer any and all questions about Christianity -because he is Jesus Christ, then please be skeptical of anything he says after that -no matter what it is...at least until he raises someone up from the dead! :)


wel i can see you are stuck on your position.. i imagine someone did that to thai stick after the good quality stopped for which i was responsible....hey man you know someone actually had to go get them bring here and i just happen to be one of them..i have been in this industry since ...well forever and have seen and done many movies...it was very interesting..

so i will not discus this anymore

suffice to say you have had a chat with the man that was primarily responsible for bringing the first few tons of that amazing weed here..it was from where i say it was..

but then the commies won and everyone leaves...

people who run dispensaries will make what you will buy ....i am also involved in a nation wide dispensary system..for medical in Canada..as well as being a commercial produce of organic medicine..

so up to my asshole in weed
my government is supposed to legalize this year and i have a strong connection there...

not only do i know everything about the real thai stick but i know everything about growing marijuana too ..so ask me..hahaha ...do not bother i have no further time or energy to waste on this..

you should feel blessed to have met Jesus ....hehehehe..but i bet you would be one of the people to put him back on the cross...willfull ignorance is rampant....

if you like those sticks so much ..go over there and bring some back...
 
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