Thai Shroomage

hughesresearch

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just irritates me that i cant experience this anymore. time to get scientific, sort of, with an extraction. the problem i see is that i can only find one extraction that makes sense, but requires a magnetic stirrer and methanol. anyone know an easy way that extracts nothing but psilocybin?
 

ANC

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I am not aware of any psilocybin extraction that produces active crystals.
I would say, don;t give up until you grew your own, it only takes likea month.

This way you can now its clean, also you have a lot, so you can pick out only caps.
Secondly, you can harvest them early before any caps sporulate, some people have alergies to spores....
Thirdly, harvesting them young gives you higer potency, so you need to consume less for the same effect.

The strongest shrooms I ever ate were the size of matches.
 

hughesresearch

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well maybe in a suspension of alcohol or something. i could have sworn i read some of these a couple years ago. if i had a lab i could use thikal or phikal, i dont remember which one had the process in it and i think you are making a synthetic version anyway.
 

ANC

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Shulgin's books would give methods for synthesis, not extraction.

I suppose an alcohol tincture could be made, but I'm not a big fan of alcohol anymore, so my tolerance is very low.
 

hughesresearch

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i have read how strong alot of different strains are, which is great but cant find a list of strains that contain the lowest levels of inert compounds. im thining if i find one with a skinny stem and eat them immature, it may help. i remember that picking them from the field 5 days a week would rarely give me matured ones. this may be the key.
 

Auzzie07

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I highly doubt you had any type of OD on these mushrooms especially if you used to eat actual blue meanies since they contain a higher amounts of the toxic and psychoactive drug Psilocybin in them (unless there is another toxic chemical in magic mushrooms I am not aware of). If the mushrooms were grown in a sterile environment that rules out the possibility of ingesting animal feces (unless the grower uses manure as a substrate). Maybe mold?



I wouldn't consider a man made chemical over a naturally occurring one to be a better religious sacrament. If Albert had never decide to take a second look at the shelved LSD-25 we may have never even known of it's existence, so having a better divine grasp on reality compared to mushrooms seems a little bit of a stretch but to each his own :). Also the naturally occurring psychoactive lysergic acid, lysergic acid amide is said to have a LD50 dose of 12,000 micrograms while psilocybin's LD50 in rats is 280 milligrams. So lysergic is more poisonous than fungi, technically speaking of course. Sorry for sounding like a know-it-all with those "technical" facts. I just don't want a novice drug user interested in experimenting with psychedelics to read over this thread and think mushrooms are actually poisonous in a sense that they could die which could cause them to shun away what might have been one of the greatest experiences of their life time.

Well, to each his own is agreed. The way I look at it, is that it may have been some sort of divine intervention that gave Albert the idea to take a second-look at the substance. If it weren't for that, we wouldn't have it, you're quite correct. As far as the LD50, wouldn't it be the other way around? As 12,000 mics is 120 tabs (roughly), and mush is 280mg (less than a gram)? So wouldn't psilocybin be more lethal? But let's not be confused here, some of the chemicals within mushrooms are poisonous/toxic, where as with L (good L at least) it's simply one chemical instead of many.

Both can invoke great experiences, I'm just partial to l. It just has a much more spiritual appeal, where as mushrooms was always wonky/goofy for me.


This statement just warms my heart :D

But there will always be a special place in my heart for that sacred fungi. I over indulged in the past, so I'm a bit over it. But it was spiritual and noteworthy on most occasions. It was a bridge that led me to the lysergic, and once there I stopped and witness the lovely gaze ahead... love bleeding from every orifice possible! There was a reason why L reigned over two decades ;)
I can see you're enlightened as well. Nice to see you chiming in on a thread again, haven't seen you around as much because I haven't been on here.

I figure this is a better place than ever to go into my spiritual conversion, shall we call it. I've always found while on psychedelics (L mostly), there was something I felt I was always searching for during the trip. Like there was something that was beyond this invisible veil that I was constantly seeking out. I could be faced, sitting on a couch, but still just feel like there was another layer to the reality I was experiencing. It all came to fruition at a festival where I was offered some deems. I had tried them before, but the taste was so overwhelming with mothballs, burnt plastic, and chemicals that I couldn't quite get the effects. But this time, it was in the form of Changa. Change, or enhanced leaf, is dmt which was been dissolved into teas/enthnobotanicals/leaves. In this case, it was Pau D'Arco tea. At this point in time, I was already about a tenstrip deep (it had been a long weekend, so tolerance was high) and didn't think that I would be able to get any more out there. But after taking it in, I was exposed to the true reality I had been searching for. The most vibrant green grass I've ever seen, tapestries in the distance fluttering with the wind, the mid-day sun casting its warm rays down on me. I was otherworldly. It was then I was able to appreciate it all; I was able to understand (whatever that means) what all these fragmented pieces of reality meant. I was never truly appreciating everything while tripping. I was enjoying the colors, melting, and general kaleidoscope-vision, but wasn't able to take the depth from it, and apply it to everyday living. Now, I live my life nearly stress-free. Nothing seems to ever bother me, and it drives some people crazy that I'm SO easy-going. I am content with waking up every morning, and being alive. I am grateful for every second I am here to interact with others, learning something new EVERY DAY. This is one thing in particular that has helped me live a stress-free life, ego-death of myself, as well as killing the egos of others. Let me explain.

Before I became a psychonaut, I was constantly jealous. Jealous of other people having things better than I do. More money. A better car. And most of all, a solid job with six figures a year. Then slowly, I came to realize they have nothing that I don't possess. I am an intelligent individual (But humble living is more important than any intelligence one can possess, IMHO) and I have the ability to learn to do anything that anyone else can. Since this transforming experience, I've become much more of a DIY'er, as well as more willing to take on daunting tasks and getting out of my comfort zone. I could blab on and on about this, but I figure I will end it here with these parting words of wisdom: It's a sacrament, and treat it as such.
 

hughesresearch

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well, seems a bit foolish to take dmt and convert it to psilocybin. i only tried dmt once through my own extraction of m. hostill.....cant remember how to spell it. but it wasnt clean, came out a brown incredibly sticky resin. tasted like plastic, or like a cig with coke on it. it made me drool, i think from the taste, and i dont remember what happened for 10 min and was kinda out of it for half an hour, but then i got a bad headache. im sure most of this is from how clean the product was. my g/f wont let me try again as it made the whole house smell like alcohol. hmmm, maybe hook up one of the carbon filters in the garage...
 

Auzzie07

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i love your story auzzie07.....i feel you are a "hippy" as am i. i cant wait for festival season!
God, I love festival season! Probably won't be able to hit as many this year though because I'm moving this summer.
 

Swag

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As far as the LD50, wouldn't it be the other way around? As 12,000 mics is 120 tabs (roughly), and mush is 280mg (less than a gram)? So wouldn't psilocybin be more lethal?
Eh.. a microgram is 1/1,000 of a milligram and a millionth of a gram so no... An the common psychedelic mushroom (Psilocybe Cubensis) only contains .63% of Psilocybin .60% of Psilocin, and .025% of Baeocystin (http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml). An most doses of LSD do not contain 1mg... I'm not sure if the standard 1/4 inch blotter square can hold that much... Information published by the DEA says that in 2003 testing the amount of LSD they seized they reported a standard dose of 50 micrograms a blotter (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article1.shtml). Once again I'm not trying to out smart you or show off just trying to get accurate information available here...
 

Auzzie07

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Eh.. a microgram is 1/1,000 of a milligram and a millionth of a gram so no... An the common psychedelic mushroom (Psilocybe Cubensis) only contains .63% of Psilocybin .60% of Psilocin, and .025% of Baeocystin (http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml). An most doses of LSD do not contain 1mg... I'm not sure if the standard 1/4 inch blotter square can hold that much... Information published by the DEA says that in 2003 testing the amount of LSD they seized they reported a standard dose of 50 micrograms a blotter (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article1.shtml). Once again I'm not trying to out smart you or show off just trying to get accurate information available here...
I agree, let's get to the bottom of this. But weight shouldn't be the only factor as far as toxicity goes, ya know? Look at PCP and Nutmeg, both hallucinogens, but a little bit of PCP would do a lot more than the same amount of Nutmeg. I switched it PCP/Nutmeg just so we can discuss this on a theoretical level, rather than using our two substances we're currently debating.
 

Swag

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I agree, let's get to the bottom of this. But weight shouldn't be the only factor as far as toxicity goes, ya know? Look at PCP and Nutmeg, both hallucinogens, but a little bit of PCP would do a lot more than the same amount of Nutmeg. I switched it PCP/Nutmeg just so we can discuss this on a theoretical level, rather than using our two substances we're currently debating.
PCP is sold in usually relatively pure form (maybe some byproducts of the synthesis and dilution in water) but your basically smoking the pure chemical compound while the psychoactive ingredient in nutmeg, myristicin is only present in nutmeg at about 4% (http://www.fao.org/docrep/v4084e/v4084e04.htm) your including the entire weight of all the chemicals in the substance. Which is kind of contradictory to your statement of "weight shouldn't be the only factor as far as toxicity" as your including other psychoactive inert compounds weight into the comparison. You are right though that PCP does have a lower LD50 than myristicine but their main binding affinities and modes of action in the brain are different. PCP is mainly a NMDA antagnostic while myristicine's psychoactive metabolite is still under speculation as different studies have produced different excreted urine metabolites. No offense but that wasn't a really good comparison compared to Psilocybin and LSD as they both mainly bind to the 5HT2A/1A receptor sites in the brain if I'm not mistaken. Also Nutmeg contains carcinogens such as safrole and myristicine itself has shown to produce carcinogenic metabolites such as estragole and eugenol (http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/Myristicin.pdf) Now I doubt anyone dose's recreational levels of nutmeg enough for it to become a serious problem but just some info I came across and wanted to throw it out there. Also the chemical bromobeneze is a carcinogen used in the process of synthesizing PCP along with other toxins and irritants. It's probably safe to say there are byproducts left over in sold PCP vials so smoking those chemicals would probably not be to healthy either...
 

hughesresearch

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er also im not doing pcp or well, i tried nutmeg, wtf? tastes horrible and why would i wanna ingest that much? some drugs are not worth trying. now the debate is lsd vs shrooms.
heres what i got for shrooms: LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE]285 mg/kg i.v.(mice) LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE]280 mg/kg i.v. (rats) LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE]12.5 mg/kg i.v.(rabbits)
and now lsd:
LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE]46 mg/kg i.v.(mice) LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE]16.5 mg/kg i.v. (rats) LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE].3 mg/kg i.v.(rabbits)
so without a doubt, lsd is more lethal per mg/kg, but the more important part is this:
shroom active dose:
Oral P. cubensis Dosages
Threshold.25 g1/100 oz Light.25 - 1 g1/100 - 1/28oz Common1 - 2.5 g1/28 - 1/10oz Strong2.5 - 5 g1/10 - 1/6oz Heavy5 + g1/6oz +
equates to .015g for the highest active common dose (2.5g shroom)

for lsd:
LSD Oral Dosages
Threshold20 ug
Light25 - 75 ug
Common50 - 150 ug
Strong150 - 400 ug
Heavy400 + ug





so 150ug equals .15mg
shrooms translate to 15mg.
so...285/15=19
46/.15=306.6

this translates to lsd being more lethal in weight, but actively, it would take nearly 300x the amount of a common dose vs 19x the common dose to be LD50, thus lsd is safer to take than shrooms, lethally that is.
 

ANC

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Either way, you'll be too fucked to care, bottom line is I wouldn't worry until dead people actualy start popping up.
You could poison yourself with a few glasses of water too much, no one gets out of here alive.
 

Auzzie07

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er also im not doing pcp or well, i tried nutmeg, wtf? tastes horrible and why would i wanna ingest that much? some drugs are not worth trying. now the debate is lsd vs shrooms.
heres what i got for shrooms: LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE]285 mg/kg i.v.(mice) LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE]280 mg/kg i.v. (rats) LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE]12.5 mg/kg i.v.(rabbits)
and now lsd:
LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE]46 mg/kg i.v.(mice) LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE]16.5 mg/kg i.v. (rats) LD[SIZE=-1]50[/SIZE].3 mg/kg i.v.(rabbits)
so without a doubt, lsd is more lethal per mg/kg, but the more important part is this:
shroom active dose:
Oral P. cubensis Dosages
Threshold.25 g1/100 oz Light.25 - 1 g1/100 - 1/28oz Common1 - 2.5 g1/28 - 1/10oz Strong2.5 - 5 g1/10 - 1/6oz Heavy5 + g1/6oz +
equates to .015g for the highest active common dose (2.5g shroom)

for lsd:
LSD Oral Dosages
Threshold20 ug
Light25 - 75 ug
Common50 - 150 ug
Strong150 - 400 ug
Heavy400 + ug





so 150ug equals .15mg
shrooms translate to 15mg.
so...285/15=19
46/.15=306.6

this translates to lsd being more lethal in weight, but actively, it would take nearly 300x the amount of a common dose vs 19x the common dose to be LD50, thus lsd is safer to take than shrooms, lethally that is.
That's what I was getting at...I'm just too fried to explain it correctly. Good work hughes.
 

hughesresearch

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oh auzzie, ive been drinkin long island ice teas since 8 and been constant on some silver haze for the same time. erowid gets the thanks for this one, i just did some math.
 

Auzzie07

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oh auzzie, ive been drinkin long island ice teas since 8 and been constant on some silver haze for the same time. erowid gets the thanks for this one, i just did some math.
Haha, so should I double check that math? Either way, hughes and swag, as much as I love L, and personally find it superior to mush, I am open to the idea of Swag being right and that mush is "safer," I'm not the kind of guy who will still call you wrong when you throw facts in my face. But I feel like L is technically safer, and what hughes throws out was precisely what I was looking for (LD50 according to per common dose). Whadda ya think?
 

Auzzie07

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I have a couple books on Psychedelics and L around my pad, I just have to find them. Both very informative. Dose, set, and setting - Timothy Leary was right about this, and I think anyone who is considering a psychedelic experience should immediately be taught about these three factors.

Also, I reccomend, if you're interested in him, that people check out a biography of Leary. Brilliant, crazy guy. Here's a quick quip from his life:

While a psychology professor at some ivy league school (Harvard I believe?), he was asked by the government to create a test which would be administered to all prisoners before entering prison. The psychological test was to determine whether or not they were a threat as far as trying to escape from prison/mentally stable/etc. Leary created the test and turned it over to the government and it was used for decades after that. Well years later, Leary's gotten into a bit of trouble, and goes through the judicial system, and is convicted and sentenced to prison. Prior to entering prison, Leary was asked to complete an 'psychological exam' by... Who do you think? Of course, Leary. If it wasn't for him being able to take a test he designed, he would have been sent to maximum security prison, and because he knew it, he was sent to a minimum-security prison. While in prison, he was able to scheme together a plan to escape prison, and flee the country... a feat which would be unachievable in maximum security.

Divine intervention? Maybe. Luck? Possible. All I know, is Leary is one interesting character.
 

Swag

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Haha, so should I double check that math? Either way, hughes and swag, as much as I love L, and personally find it superior to mush, I am open to the idea of Swag being right and that mush is "safer," I'm not the kind of guy who will still call you wrong when you throw facts in my face. But I feel like L is technically safer, and what hughes throws out was precisely what I was looking for (LD50 according to per common dose). Whadda ya think?
Yeah I see where you were coming from now :lol: my bad I was running on about 8hrs of sleep on the third day of an amphetamines binge when I wrote that at around 11:30. I got in the shower after clearing my bong and started talking to myself and was convinced I was losing my mind heh...slept for 14 hrs, never again. Sorry about that but learned a lot of stuff from the conversation though :D
 
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