i'll occasionally respond to threads about sub's gear. i have personally never grown out any of his stuff. i know some that have, and most don't grow it twice. it's prob. not fair to sub for me to bash his stuff w/o growing it, and trying it for myself. you can't be in business as long as he has, and sell total bunk. (personally, i'm more interested in smell/taste-flavor, than i am in strength. i've always had a low tolerance, so it doesn't need to be the cadillac of strains for me to get buzzed.) as i said, i've heard about the all show thing, but i never heard any bitching about herms though, from folks i know. i guess i should at least try growing his stuff once, so i can say i have. i've never met him/talked to him, but i have some on-line experience with him. i first cyber-met him at meduser's site, years ago. i found him to be an obnoxious a-hole! but we all have our opinions. (i later had more cyber chat with him.) we were discussing B.O.G. that's bushy old grower, for those that don't know who bog is. i learned to grow from bog, and found him to be a very laid back, cool dude! i've never heard him bad mouth sub. he even gave sub some kudo's for teaching him some grow stuff, which i thought was pretty cool, considering they are marketplace rivals. the same cannot be said for sub though. he tried to diminish bog in my eyes with a couple rude comments. i think these things may have caused me to be over-critical of sub. so to be fair, don't just take my word for it, ask around or even try his gear. (but i still think he's a richard, lol!!!)