Testing Hans panel: 56watt Cree xp-e/ Lumiled rebel power==== Let's talk efficiency

PSUAGRO.

Well-Known Member
Chirulazo I completely agree with you. Thank you again for your input.

Why do all these manufacturers keep using the acronym "bs"?! Don't they know what bs means in American English?? :mrgreen: just kidding haha
but obviously Hans' panels are definitely competing in another league, with the plantphotonics panels and some rare:shock: others IMO
I agree.......I can only imagine what two Hans panels would do over my area......that overlapping light from two panels would crush a 3x3 grow with the wattage used........pricey though
I see the ladies are bustin loose. Are you starting to get pre-flowers all over?
#2 is definitely pushing multiple preflower sites......#1 is being her usual bitchy self...slow

Yea Brother Psuagro You are Busting That Azz.Looking Nice Great Job :clap:
thanks brother dawg......get those pics up:-)
 

Chirulazo

Well-Known Member
Hey guys. Since PSU gave me permission to submit updates of my experience with Hans panels here.. then, i will make use of this permission and post some pictures of how things are going.

First, let me tell you PSU, that as you told me, i'm also really glad to find someone else using these panels so we can have some feedback and share our experiences. You were asking about the height i use the panel... well, since it has a pretty wide angle, i try to use them as close as i can... but, my set up is different from yours, my panels fit almost exactly into my space, so i have almost no light loss, every single photon ends up hiting the plants... i belive this is the best way to get the best results out of this panels, squeezing every single photon it emits and condensate them in a small space completely saturated with light. That, in my opinion, will help to deliver higher caliber buds, and a more dense canopy.

On another matter, i saw a post of someone saying that the wide angle wouldn't help to get a lot of penetration and so the plants wouldn't get so tall.... but my question is, we want tall plants? or we want big yields??... i dont mind having bonsai marihuana plants, as long as they deliver fat, dense, compact and heavy flowers. It´s all about using the techniques that will help your light give you the best results. In this case, any SCROG, SOG, LST techniques, would go just incredible in my opinion, trying to optimize the coverage area rather than the height. Tho, i can tell you, they do provide a really nice penetrating power, the last Critical Jack i already harvested using these panels, was a bit tall, and the growth wasn´t the best, internode spacing was big, nevertheless, lower buds developed just perfect, in fact, better i must say, than what i was used to with my ex 400W HPS.

Now, the update (pics hehe)

For the ones who saw the other pictures i uploaded, those were taken in the 47th - 48th day of flowering aprox.

The ones i´m showing now, are from today, 53 days of flowering phase aprox. One week to go i guess.

I must say again i am very pleased with their performance, buds keep getting bigger, fater and denser everyday, and the smells are getting really intense.

For the ones doubting, don´t do it, these panels meet their expectations completely, and Hans isn't promissing anything untrue about them, so PSU, you can stay completely relaxed and unconcerned about how they will perform in flowering... just do your job taking good care of the ladies and let your panel take them to glory!

And i also want to mention some things. These results i'm showing, they still have much more to be improved. Let me tell you, i´m just an average grower, nothing spectacular or anything, i'm still just learning, tuning my hand... my fertilization schedule is in total begginer level (tho i'm using high quality products, but nothing will they do, if they aren't used correctly, so, i'm just starting to "tune up" my fertilization schedule to get the max out of them)... also, i´m in full winter here., and i´m having really low temps and high humidity levels, specially in the night period, really really cold. What i´m trying to say here, is that there is much room yet to keep improving this results i´m showing. Environmental conditions could have been better, and other things like better air renewall, CO2 aditions, better ventilation, etc can be done, among other things that are yet to be improved in my set up.
So, having this result as a starting point, considering all the factors that can still be improved... really makes me very very happy, since only this result already has me really pleased, can´t imagine how will they perform in spring, when the temps start getting to more ideal levels, and also when i get more "tuned up" in my growing technique.

As soon as i have weights, i will come here to show my results. For now, just wish all the success in you grow PSU... tho i have no doubt, you will definitely succeed, unless you do a really disastrous thing that could turn the whole thing other way, which i completely doubt hahha

PS: I´m also adding 2 close up pics of another strain i´m growing, Nebula. Mostly so you can see Resin development, really nice. :)

Good Smokes Everynone!
 

Attachments

Rasser

Active Member
Hey guys. Since PSU gave me permission to submit updates of my experience with Hans panels here.. then, i will make use of this permission and post some pictures of how things are going.

First, let me tell you PSU, that as you told me, i'm also really glad to find someone else using these panels so we can have some feedback and share our experiences. You were asking about the height i use the panel... well, since it has a pretty wide angle, i try to use them as close as i can... but, my set up is different from yours, my panels fit almost exactly into my space, so i have almost no light loss, every single photon ends up hiting the plants... i belive this is the best way to get the best results out of this panels, squeezing every single photon it emits and condensate them in a small space completely saturated with light. That, in my opinion, will help to deliver higher caliber buds, and a more dense canopy.
Good Smokes Everynone!
Hi

Impressive plant :cool:
looks very sticky and frosty, incredible with that low power consumption,
and I see the results is archived by doing what I have been pushing for, cough,
minimal distance and enhanced reflection. :bigjoint:
 

PSUAGRO.

Well-Known Member
@ Chirulazo..........awesome stuff my man/thanks for the reply......keep posting away with pics/this is great for the community.......yeah I didn't want my girls to get this big in veg under this one panel but that's growing it throws you some curve balls once in awhile(shitty autos:)).......oh and do me a favor though, can you put up some pics with girls under your Hans panels????wanna make sure your not yanking our chain here..........we are all excited(me included!) about your results so far with these low wattage leds............And you better not be Hans himself either:P





001.jpg002.jpg003.jpg004.jpg005.jpg006.jpg007.jpg...............56 watt phase/12-12 / 4hr co2 burn / dropped the panel 4 inches and angled it slightly towards the wall to deal with my space issues

DAY 47............So I VLST'd the girls last night with loop stakes.....they took it well i guess...........Both are chugging along and will get their final dousing of neem oil ...........gonna add more top dressing of organic flower ferts and will water them today with aerated tap water and Azomite(half dose).......figure most of my cocco mix has been drained from the original nutrients at this point.............won't add anything else till the end/unless I see issues...................That's it...........be safe and happy growing

Edit: Ignore the date on the meter.....power went out due to storms here in the NE the other day and I put in the wrong date without checking..doh...either way ill fix it soon..:)
 

puffenuff

Well-Known Member
Day 47, holy crap time flies! Just think, if they were clones theyd be almost done flowering by now...keep it up bro, happy growing
 

Amaximus

Well-Known Member
Hmmm, Two pages of updates marked as read that I haven't seen. Weird.

Looking good Psu! I don't know what i have missed but those "autos" got BIG!
 

Chirulazo

Well-Known Member
Impressive plant :cool:
looks very sticky and frosty, incredible with that low power consumption,
and I see the results is archived by doing what I have been pushing for, cough,
minimal distance and enhanced reflection. :bigjoint:


Hi man, thanks for the encouraging.... and for that thing you mention about the reflection... i told before that there were many things i have to improve in my set up, and reflecting performance is definitely one of them. No reflecting material in my room, only bright white from the melamine i'm using which is clearly not the best you could find. So, as i told before, all of this things i have to improve, and mostly the hard colds we are having here cause of the winter, just give me more expectations, of what can be achieved with optimal conditions, having this results so far, even when many things are yet to be improved that would most definitely improve results :)

@ Chirulazo..........awesome stuff my man/thanks for the reply......keep posting away with pics/this is great for the community.......yeah I didn't want my girls to get this big in veg under this one panel but that's growing it throws you some curve balls once in awhile(shitty autos
:)).......oh and do me a favor though, can you put up some pics with girls under your Hans panels????wanna make sure your not yanking our chain here..........we are all excited(me included!) about your results so far with these low wattage leds............And you better not be Hans himself either:P


Hi man, thanks for your encouraging also :)
I also belive, the veg in your case, was a bit too much... i understand this was because of the Nirvana "autos"... and i have something to say to this matter.... with a friend's experience, plus your experience now, and what i read from here to there... stay away from Nirvana!... seems they give only headaches. I had a friend, who ordered 10 "autos" from nirvana... that were really never autos... he realised that after 2 months, having plants over 3 ft and no preflowers at all.... it was then, that i suggested him to change photoperiod, since it was pretty clear, those "autos" weren´t really autos hehhe.... he ended up with 6 ft tall plants... totally stretched.... he did turn out to get a good result though, but nevertheless, not what he was expecting in terms of growing form, he ordered autos, not photos. Bad for Nirvana.... having your case, my friend's case and many cases posted on the web... my suggestion, stay away from Nirvana.

BUT! we can also get something good out of it, and that is... this panels, having only 4 blue leds, CAN veg good plants. That was something i was also a bit concerned about... because Hans only shows little plants with little veg period and then straight to flowering... nice to see they can catch up with bigger plants. I'm using my panels only for flowering... so i had no reference about their veging potential... my veging goes on in other room, where i keep my mothers and clones under a 150W MH, which i also intend to change soon. Well, at least we can say with your experience, this panels can veg, and with mine, they can flower... so, we can conclude, based on your experience and mine, they can fullfill the whole process pretty good.

I will post some pics with the plants under the panels... they are in their night period now, so i'll wait till their "sunrise" to take some pics hehhe...

And please, for all the community here... i know it is hard to trust nowdays... and there is a lot of mafia going on in the marihuana growing community, concerning nutrients, lights and many stuff.... we all know of biased information... fake journals and all of that stuff... in fact, it was one of the reasons why i was very doubtful about my desicion on where to go for my led panel. There is too much misinformation out there, too many confusing things going on.... i was looking into HGL Penetrators... but there seemed to be way too much misinformation regarding their performance and customer support, so i backed out from that.... also i was looking into others, like the Spectra, Blackstar, Advanced Leds, California Lightwoks, Pro Source, Magnum, etc. But all of them kept me skeptic, since non of them provided clear information about their components, only the typical bla bla. So, i saw Hans panels. At first, i wasn´t too convinced with the "homemade" aspect... but then, digging more into the components specs and seeing his results, i ended up convinced and went for them. I can say now i'm very glad i made that desicion, since i now belive, non of those other super developed "last generation" panels i was seeing would have indeed given me the results i´m having right now. In fact, as many claims out there, i belive this super developed panels, are nothing more than chinese panels being rebranded and sold 3 times their real price.

I just want to say that i´m just a normal guy, living far far away from where all this obscure led market thing is going on. I have no conection to Hans, other than the fact that he made the panels that are giving me these results, and my recognition to his work, comes only with the intention of congratulate him for his invention. His 5 years of R & D, turned out to really deliver a high quality product it seems.

I know maybe it is hard to trust now, seeing all the scamming and fake information going on everywhere, and it is a shame things are going that way for the marihuana growing world. Marihuana shouldn't be involved with this indiscriminate profiting... that should be left for greedy bastards... marihuana is all about sharing, and anyone who doesn´t understand this, simply doesn´t understand what marihuana world is all about. My intention here is only to contribute to the marihuana growing community all over the world, since this has become a great passion for me, which i intend to always keep taking it further into the next level and geting deeper into it.

PSU, all i can say, lets keep giving the community our experiences, so they can make well informed desicions, and not be scammed by really greedy people who only think of making profit out of everything. Someone who does that, simply does not understand what this whole growing marihuana world is all about: SHARING!! information, experiences, skills and mostly, a big nice smelly mind blowing joint with our beloved friends and anyone who wants to experience it! hehe... i know, the ones that are really in the vine, will hear what i´m saying. :)

Cheers to everyone, will be posting pics with the plants under the panels soon :)
 

PSUAGRO.

Well-Known Member
Looking Sweet Brother Psuagro.You Need To kick The Shit Out Of Lady #1.She A Lagger :idea:
Ha....no doubt.......Don't worry ill slap the fan leaves right off of the bitchy runt when I get home:P

Day 47, holy crap time flies! Just think, if they were clones theyd be almost done flowering by now...keep it up bro, happy growing
Yes it seems like this grow will take forever/would love to be almost done atm.......thanks puff

Hmmm, Two pages of updates marked as read that I haven't seen. Weird.

Looking good Psu! I don't know what i have missed but those "autos" got BIG!
yeah got big.......gonna have to readjust the loop stakes a couple times I imagine.......will keep on trucking friend

@Chirulazo......great post and yeah the led community is always skeptical due to the nature of new tech unfortunately...........Nirvana has a couple decent strains (papaya and wonder woman) but their auto's are a mess IMO...........glad your on board and NOT Hans...ha...........keep us updated grower
 

patrikantonius

Active Member
Great post indeed!

I kinda wished Hans was there as well, it would make interesting discussions... But the man who makes the plantphotonics panels was banned the second he mentioned his site so I guess we're not going to get hans in here anytime soon :(
 

puffenuff

Well-Known Member
Great post indeed!

I kinda wished Hans was there as well, it would make interesting discussions... But the man who makes the plantphotonics panels was banned the second he mentioned his site so I guess we're not going to get hans in here anytime soon :(
I'm pretty sure the plant photonics guy was banned because he was bad mouthing other companies and not for dropping a link to his company, I've seen numerous folks come in and link to their products. For example, the Area 51 guys are still around...probably because they haven't been making claims about competitors and hyping up their own products.
 

The Dawg

Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure the plant photonics guy was banned because he was bad mouthing other companies and not for dropping a link to his company, I've seen numerous folks come in and link to their products. For example, the Area 51 guys are still around...probably because they haven't been making claims about competitors and hyping up their own products.
This Is The Exact Reason I Went With Area-51.I Asked E.H. Several Questions About Led's I.E.What Led Would He Consider Buying And I Was Told To Do My Research.
This Really Impressed Me When I Found Out He Actually Owned Area-51.Not Once Did He Try To Steer Me Towards His Lights.Just Gave Me Unbiased Anwsers' To My Question's.Plus A Lifetime Warrenty And I Was Sold :peace:
 

Chirulazo

Well-Known Member
This Is The Exact Reason I Went With Area-51.I Asked E.H. Several Questions About Led's I.E.What Led Would He Consider Buying And I Was Told To Do My Research.
This Really Impressed Me When I Found Out He Actually Owned Area-51.Not Once Did He Try To Steer Me Towards His Lights.Just Gave Me Unbiased Anwsers' To My Question's.Plus A Lifetime Warrenty And I Was Sold :peace:

Ufff haha.. so many LED manufacturers around!! i didn't know about those Area 51 nor the plantphotonic panels, haha... They both apear to be pretty good. I saw your grow (The Dawg) and that Area 51 panel seems to be giving a really really nice veging.... have you seen how they do in flowering? if they do as they are doing veging, i belive those would be a really excelent choice!

For the plantphotonic ones, they are a little more expensive... though i see they are using only high quality leds. Has anyone seen real results with those? they also seem very nice, pricey tho, but seem to be pretty good.

Another thing i wanted to ask, if maybe some could tell me something about. As i told you, i live in a little country far away hehe so we don't get too much first hand experience from this type of products, we have to base on what we see in forums and stuff.... i have always been curious about the HGL panels... the penetrators and the X2 lens technology they say to be top notch.... are they really any good?... at first, when i knew almost nothing about leds, i was really leading towards those panels... but some things i saw and read, made me step back, but i was always curious about their performance.. are they really what they promise?? can anyone refer to this matter? has anyone seen their performance in person?

Sorry to bring other discussion into your journal, it is just that being this tech so young, i belive that besides of being useful to me, this can be useful for many others that will maybe even in the future, pass through this thread, and this info and discussions will maybe help them also.

Thanks to all and lets keep the nice vibe, feels like good energy around here :)
 

The Dawg

Well-Known Member
No brother Chirulazo I Havent Seen Any Completed Grow Journals.Im Just Using My Knowledge Of Growing On What Light Heights To Use.Im Also Using Area-51 Recomadations As A Starting Point :-P

The Vibes From This Group of Leder's Is The Best IMHO.Were All Just Crazy Azz Stoner's Trying To Show Ppl That Leds' Can And Do Grow Awsome Herb With The Right Led's :weed:
 

patrikantonius

Active Member
Ufff haha.. so many LED manufacturers around!! i didn't know about those Area 51 nor the plantphotonic panels, haha... They both apear to be pretty good. I saw your grow (The Dawg) and that Area 51 panel seems to be giving a really really nice veging.... have you seen how they do in flowering? if they do as they are doing veging, i belive those would be a really excelent choice!

For the plantphotonic ones, they are a little more expensive... though i see they are using only high quality leds. Has anyone seen real results with those? they also seem very nice, pricey tho, but seem to be pretty good.

Another thing i wanted to ask, if maybe some could tell me something about. As i told you, i live in a little country far away hehe so we don't get too much first hand experience from this type of products, we have to base on what we see in forums and stuff.... i have always been curious about the HGL panels... the penetrators and the X2 lens technology they say to be top notch.... are they really any good?... at first, when i knew almost nothing about leds, i was really leading towards those panels... but some things i saw and read, made me step back, but i was always curious about their performance.. are they really what they promise?? can anyone refer to this matter? has anyone seen their performance in person?

Sorry to bring other discussion into your journal, it is just that being this tech so young, i belive that besides of being useful to me, this can be useful for many others that will maybe even in the future, pass through this thread, and this info and discussions will maybe help them also.

Thanks to all and lets keep the nice vibe, feels like good energy around here :)
For the Plantphotonic panel, digimidgi here said he achieved 1.2gpw with a SCROG under their 140w light. I think that's pretty decent!

As for the HGL / X2 lenses, I think there's a lot of bullshit in this. You can't multiply the quantity of light by 2 with a lens that's common sense. I think it is just a focusing lens which takes the 120°ish angle from the LEDs and focus it into 60° or something. Nothing really new vs the competition in my opinion.
 

PetFlora

Well-Known Member
Look out, I just had a thought. wouldn't it provide more (and easier access) to the plants if instead of putting them in a cabinet, they were placed in a clam shell type Rubbermaid/Starlite storage totes.

The small led fixture would hang from the top tote with the inside covered with reflective material or white paint. If needed, a hole cut for a fan(s- one to bring fresh air in, the other to exhaust heat) could easily be added. The top could be made to raise/lower via a simple pulley system. The bottom (where the plants are) could be a version of My DIY 21st Century F & D system. This could fit into a small corner of a closet. Just a thought

Edit: You could then get a serving cart with 2 shelfs. Put the rez on the lower level. total footprint ~ 2 X 3.Height ~ 6ft, but needs room above to raise it up
 
I´m following this with great interest!
If you can do a decent grow with only 56W im impressed and there would be no reason at all to buy a 90W UFO.

Im considering to buy my very first LED grow light and i must admit that Hans is currently in pole posistion to grab my cash - Unless someone wants to recommend me another lamp in the same price range.
Im based in the EU btw so an european dealer would be prefered.
 
Top