terribly sorry to harrass you with basic questions.

Hey guys!
first of all i want to say that im sorry to annoy you with questions that youve probably heard a thousand times already, but i did use the search funtion and rummaged through this forum for quite a bit, but sadly my (to be honest quite specific questions) have not been answered sufficiently

ill explain my situation to all of you nice people:
i am a young artist and travel all around europe, and since lately ive been going intercontinental too to meet other artists, paint and develop culturally and as a human being as a whole basically.
just filling you in on this as i dont want to come off across as some street slinger trying to get cash for a nice car or anythig.
as you can imagine, all my painting trips are not cheap at all, and me still being in art school (dont worry i am over 18 ) means that i have almost no money at all, but i am in need for quite a bit.

so now a friends mother has offered me and her daughter (she is an artist too) her attic as studio space.

my friend is just like me and needs the cash to travel too, so we thought about growing a few plants in the attic without the knowledge of her mother.

i have read that its almost impossible to grow without the parents finding out, but as soon as we make it our studio space, she wont have a key anymore, also i would hide the plants behind a curtain that i need for photography purposes, so the possibility of her "finding" the plants is terribly small.

this brings my to my actual question: how do we keep the electric bill from spiking up madly and thus making her suspicious of what is going on there?
were not looking to grow the most incredible weed in existance, just enough to make maybe a kilo or two each season, so its not the end of the world if your tips would make the product a bit worse, all were concerned about is the electric bill for the moment.

also, lets say we want to make 2 kilos of weed, how many seeds do i need, and how do i keepthe noise and odor at a minimum?

it would be fantastic if someone answered my questions

regards,
me.

you need to start research collecting data
read everything

does not sound feasable to me without cocent of home owner
lot of issues to cosider
even the samll ones like getting water to plants

good luck

If you're talking about an indoor grow, you will need equipment that uses electricity: Lights and heat control (air conditioning or venting, usually both in my situation) for sure. I also use a hydro system, so I have two small air pumps going, but that's not the big energy suck. For me, it's the lights, air conditioning and venting.

For you, it might just be lights and fans if you can open the attic windows and it's chilly out. In fact, my next grow will be January/February/March/April for this very reason...with the windows open in the winter I should be able to save on the air conditioning I currently need to keep the temperature under the lights at 85 degrees.

But you are going to be doing something that requires electricity, and no doubt it will increase the electric bill. However, you're just moving in, so you and your friend can tell the mother that, yes, you're painters, but you do use equipment that uses electricity when you do multi-media projects (if she's old enough, just saying "multi-media projects" will make her not want to know any more), and in anticipation of that you will always be paying the difference in the cost between her electric bill before you moved in and after.

You can also explain that you need to vent a lot in the studio space because of fumes, so your fans might be running at odd times. That would also explain some odors, but you will still have to have an odor-control plan, too. Some people say charcoal canisters work. I haven't tried them myself yet, so I can't tell you. But I'm sure there are solutions out there that are inconspicuous.

As for seeds, you want to look for high-yield strains. If you're growing in soil, with not too much interference, I think the rule of thumb is 1 oz per plant. So for 2.2 pounds (1 kilo), you'd need 34 plants. However, growing in hydro with good nutrients and high-yield plants can get 8-10 oz a plant, so you'd need about 5 or 6 of those if you go that route. To ensure 5-6 females from seeds, my guess is folks would say you need 10-12 seeds.

You have to decide if your set up will allow for 5-8 full-size plants -- if not, then grow 2 or 4 at a time. Based on your description of the place, two plants you could probably hide with no problem. But could you hide 8 if suddenly the mother had to come in to inspect a roofing problem?

Good luck!

ur not going to beable to grow indoors for profit without a electricty bill also u need money to start a grow that will actully make u a profit u can use cfls for veg and flower but it take experince to beable to grow a reliable crop. ur first crop probably isnt goning to be verry well and if u growing indoors i wouldnt expect to much more than 1 oz per plant rember 50% of ur plants will be male so out of lets say 8 plants 4 or 5 of them can end up being male even more if u stress them out withur inexperince so that leaves 3-4 ounces of swag (im asuming ur growing with bag seed ur first grow) so about 300$ or so for a few months worth of work then u have to take ur expences out. 30$ for power another 60$ for soil and a ton of money for lighing also ventalation carbon fiters. u will end up in the hole if ur traveling how do u expect to keep the platns alive? this isnt a quick way for cash its a huge investment and a life time of work and profection

btw carbon filter is a must for oder controll all real growers have one to keep the odor down. they arnt that expencive and they do work great even know the guy up there said he doesnt know if they work or not. well i can tell u they do work verry well and they are verry effective they are verry cheap also and u can build one ur self that will be the same as the one u would buy. i bought a 410cfm carbonfilter for 60$ but if ur only going to have a few plant then u wont relly need one that big lights are gonig to cost u another 140$ for a decent first time kit. and fans and ventlation will be another 120$ soil for 8 plants 1 bag of ffof almost fills 3 5 gal buckes they are about 17$ a bag where i live so around 45$ 50$ then another 30$ a month for power and also nutes

so thats like 400$ for a deicent 1st time grow

just a couple of kilos ? wow ,big expectations for a first ,stealth grow ,unrealistic ,veg room ,flower room a couple or more 1000 watt hps ,a.c. co2 ,lots of time and even more knowledge and research start by trying to grow a personal head stash get the basics down and go from there. I'd like to be able to grow kilos under cfls but i can't I'd also like to win the lottery but don't.Also risk factor involved by the sound of your post I would guess that you would be at the bottom of the food chain in any prison you found yourself ,lots to think about here

big expectations

luckybleu said:

just a couple of kilos ? wow ,big expectations for a first ,stealth grow ,unrealistic ,veg room ,flower room a couple or more 1000 watt hps ,a.c. co2 ,lots of time and even more knowledge and research start by trying to grow a personal head stash get the basics down and go from there. I'd like to be able to grow kilos under cfls but i can't I'd also like to win the lottery but don't.Also risk factor involved by the sound of your post I would guess that you would be at the bottom of the food chain in any prison you found yourself ,lots to think about here

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lol i was telling him to start with cfls and i said only 3 oz the guy above me said 2.2 kilos lol i told him cfls are good for first time grow but if he wanted a diecnt first time grow he needed to get a kit for 140$ read before u post next time!

i just dont think can go for but so long in sombody elses house without them knowing
just geting packages in to set up
need erryting down to pots an nutes
a room wit afloor full of plants use a lot of water
has a lot of water run off as well as all other mentioned

maebe better to ask permission

use same reasoning you gave to us -but we are heads

thank you guys!
lots of great answers,
yes i know 2 kilos is quite a lot,
weirdly however, i met one of my oldest friends whos family has generations of experience in this subject by now and asked him for advise.
the things he told me and the things that youre telling me basically match,
he checked the attic with me and told me that if i kept it under LED lights with the right equipment etc. i could keep the addup on the bill to a minimum.
being an artist i could explain the slight rise with me doing photography, which requires quite some apparatures that require a lot of electricity.
also were quite sure that we could keep the fumes "unsuspicous", because i work with a lot of aerosol, which would explain the vents, and have some incense sticks because were all happy and peaceful.
he also told me that with the seeds he has i could go for about a kilo if i manage to get it right (with 15 plants and the right fertilizers etc.)

someone coming into the attic is really incredibly unlikely, especially after its our studio space, the chances of this person taking away a photographers curtain in a hard to reach space to look at the wall behind it is even smaller.

my friend also agreed to walk us through the whole process once were done setting up the equipment to make sure we dont mess up and end up being happy artists.
what do you guys think?
does that all seem realistic or are this still some discrepancies in my "plan"?

You won't realise the stress this will causse you until you start growing! If you want to make some $$$ then save up enough money for a few months rent in a small apartment with your artist friend, then dedicate a whole room to growing. Get 2 or 3 ready made grow tents in that room, one for seedlings and clones (with a 125w cfl light) one for veg (with a 200w hps) and two for flowering (with 400w hps w/ air cooled reflectors and carbon filter for odour) so you can get a harvest every month and a half or so. If you want to make a couple of kilos then you can't go pussyfooting around, you need to be clinical and businesslike and professional. You cant produce those kind of weights behind a curtain in an attic, your looking at more like 8 ounces every 4 months for that kind of op, with your kind of proposed set up and your skills. Sorry but it sounds like you should just grow for your own personal use if anything, but i wouldn't count on growing weed for funding business trips round europe to flog paintings, unless your prepared to sleep in hostels and eat beans and rice for lunch and dinner! Or go big and grow in your own apartment with a dedication to growing the weed, and professionalism to meet ur economic targets

I would also NEVER tell anyone i was growing, if it wasnt legal or allowed where your doing it. Even though some people might be 'friends', they can still chat shit when they have a spliff or a beer with their other friends. The only person who knows im growin is my g/f, because theres no other way round that. And im only growing three auto flowers. If i was aiming for kilos, it would be a project for me to know, and me only

Imaniceguyactually said:

Hey guys!
first of all i want to say that im sorry to annoy you with questions that youve probably heard a thousand times already, but i did use the search funtion and rummaged through this forum for quite a bit, but sadly my (to be honest quite specific questions) have not been answered sufficiently

ill explain my situation to all of you nice people:
i am a young artist and travel all around europe, and since lately ive been going intercontinental too to meet other artists, paint and develop culturally and as a human being as a whole basically.
just filling you in on this as i dont want to come off across as some street slinger trying to get cash for a nice car or anythig.
as you can imagine, all my painting trips are not cheap at all, and me still being in art school (dont worry i am over 18 ) means that i have almost no money at all, but i am in need for quite a bit.

so now a friends mother has offered me and her daughter (she is an artist too) her attic as studio space.

my friend is just like me and needs the cash to travel too, so we thought about growing a few plants in the attic without the knowledge of her mother.

i have read that its almost impossible to grow without the parents finding out, but as soon as we make it our studio space, she wont have a key anymore, also i would hide the plants behind a curtain that i need for photography purposes, so the possibility of her "finding" the plants is terribly small.

this brings my to my actual question: how do we keep the electric bill from spiking up madly and thus making her suspicious of what is going on there?
were not looking to grow the most incredible weed in existance, just enough to make maybe a kilo or two each season, so its not the end of the world if your tips would make the product a bit worse, all were concerned about is the electric bill for the moment.

also, lets say we want to make 2 kilos of weed, how many seeds do i need, and how do i keepthe noise and odor at a minimum?

it would be fantastic if someone answered my questions

regards,
me.

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just 2 kilos, you`re not going to smoke it all on your own are you!

jolly hockey sticks.

lol even 1 kilo is unrelistic with that set up sorry man led will keep the cost down but they are verry expencive and they dont penatrate the canopey verry well. with 15 plants i wouldnt expact more then 7.5 ounces thats not even a half pound not all 15 are going to be females and u not just magicaly going to be a master grower being able to pull 10 oz off a plant it takes time also with all thoughs plants odor would be a problem incens arnt going to work man u would need a carbon filter. i wouldnt expect u to get more than 1 oz per plant with a 1 month veg period for ur first grow ur being way to unrelistic even if ur friend is a grandmaster grower or not. good luck with the grow but ur not going to pull 1 kelo off of it.

Grow up and get your own place and grow in that. What right do you have to do something illegal in your girls mom's house.Geesh, girl's mom's house makes you sound pathetic you know.