taking a plunge in AN's line up.

homebrewer

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patrickkawi37 said:
bunch of shit talkers. for the starter of this thread... i use connoisseur.. no heavier than 9ml per gallon or it burns up the place. for additives i think there best shit is big bud and b52. i also am using voodoo juice, i dont use the pharana and tarantula, i use orca and roots excell. as far as the ph perfect goes... i heard you have to run the recommended dose on the bottle and this is why i wont try it.. 4mls per liter is too much..

and to the jackass shit talking AN haters... if you run 16mls of sensi 2 part, then your a dumb shit that doesnt check ppm. ADvanced likes to make money... so do all companies.. if you read the bottles and use the recommended dose and your not using the ph perfect, your going to fry the place down with a 2k ppm. so you wasted your money and your results sucked... because your a noob and fried your plants. stick to your dynagrow. id like to see you pull 2 pounds with some dynagrow, fucking joke. and to the guy saying the H&g is more concentrated than AN connoisseur... my buddy uses house and garden and cranks 12 mls a gallon and it spits him right around 1300ppms. if i use 12mls with conni. im right about 1800 ppms... im not a rocket scientist.. but that sounds like your full of shit
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I'm talking a break from harvesting right now so I'll spit out a few facts for you.

1ml of Aqua Flakes part A and B into a gallon of water is 96 and 72 ppm respectively (.7 scale).

1ml of Connoisseur part A and B into a gallon of water is 80 and 60 ppm respectively.

1 gallon (Actually it's 5 litres) of Aqua Flakes part A and B runs between $55-$70.

1 gallon of AN's Connoisseur part A and B runs $160, ouch!

All of these formulas are in my possession and all ppm numbers are correct (.7 scale for those that know what that means).


As for when I ran Connoisseur, I ran 4.5mls/gallon of each in hydro (which is where I feed my plants with every plant food) and it was the worst crop I've had in years. If you're using Connoisseur in dirt/coco/promix, you cannot comment on the performance of Connoisseur in hydro. Btw, I took a peek at your grow, looks pretty good.

id like to see you pull 2 pounds with some dynagrow
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I run 600's so 2 pounds is easily doable with 2 lights. Actually, I'd be around 40 ounces with 2 6oo's.
 
ScoobyDoobyDoo

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homebrewer said:
I'm talking a break from harvesting right now so I'll spit out a few facts for you.

1ml of Aqua Flakes part A and B into a gallon of water is 96 and 72 ppm respectively (.7 scale).

1ml of Connoisseur part A and B into a gallon of water is 80 and 60 ppm respectively.

1 gallon (Actually it's 5 litres) of Aqua Flakes part A and B runs between $55-$70.

1 gallon of AN's Connoisseur part A and B runs $160, ouch!

All of these formulas are in my possession and all ppm numbers are correct (.7 scale for those that know what that means).


As for when I ran Connoisseur, I ran 4.5mls/gallon of each in hydro (which is where I feed my plants with every plant food) and it was the worst crop I've had in years. If you're using Connoisseur in dirt/coco/promix, you cannot comment on the performance of Connoisseur in hydro. Btw, I took a peek at your grow, looks pretty good.



I run 600's so 2 pounds is easily doable with 2 lights. Actually, I'd be around 40 ounces with 2 6oo's.
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i don't have aqua flakes so i can't comment on it's potency but after running the tests on dyna, connoisseur, and sensi i can tell you that sensi and connoisseur are both more potent that dyna when added together. homebrewer like to claim that dyna is more potent because it is a 1 part nute and you only have to add 1ml of it while with AN being a 2 part you have to add 1ml of each for 2ml total. if that is the case then you can't compare prices like he tries to do because you are effectively getting twice as much with the 2 gallons of AN 2 part. you need to look at it as if you made the AN 2 part into a 1 part by adding them together. if that was the case then yes, you would still have dyna being more concentrated as you would need to add 2ml of An to get a slightly higher ppm than dyna, but you would also have 2 gallons of the AN "mix" as opposed to 1 gallon of the dyna.

as for the $160 this seems like a gross over statement by homebrewer. you can get 1 gallon of connoisseur (a&b) for $120. this is another false statement by homebrewer.
 
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i pay 105 bucks out the door for my conni gallons. thankyou for kind words about my garden. i cant argue the ppms ratios with you because my hannah duel meter thingie has been acting fishy. im going to be getting a blue lab one after this batch.. but what i can tell you is.. when my meter was running properly. if i were to feed anything over 1050 with conni.. i get burn. my buddy cranks as hard as 1600 ppms with aqua flakes. and he no doubt pulls fat yields and gets good nugs.. but hes been growing 3 times as long and has 30 lights... and my nugs are better. :)

he came over and saw what i got going and i have 2 of his strains in the room, he told me straight up that the conni stacks better than h&g and if i had it 100% dialed i woulda pulled a fatter light than him.

and people talking about justifying prices... i understand where this would make you want to use something else.. but when your growing commercially, even if you got another ounce a light... that would pay for the difference tenfold.
 
homebrewer

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ScoobyDoobyDoo said:
i don't have aqua flakes so i can't comment on it's potency but after running the tests on dyna, connoisseur, and sensi i can tell you that sensi and connoisseur are both more potent that dyna when added together. homebrewer like to claim that dyna is more potent because it is a 1 part nute and you only have to add 1ml of it while with AN being a 2 part you have to add 1ml of each for 2ml total. if that is the case then you can't compare prices like he tries to do because you are effectively getting twice as much with the 2 gallons of AN 2 part. you need to look at it as if you made the AN 2 part into a 1 part by adding them together. if that was the case then yes, you would still have dyna being more concentrated as you would need to add 2ml of An to get a slightly higher ppm than dyna, but you would also have 2 gallons of the AN "mix" as opposed to 1 gallon of the dyna.
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How do you not understand this potency discussion??? I use LESS liquid fertilizer to get to my desired ppm with DG and H&G than I did with Connoisseur. That means Connoisseur is LESS potent than both. The cost of each ml is higher with Connoisseur so not only is it less concentrated, it's more expensive.

Connoisseur is about 2 cents per ml, H&G and DG are both about 1.3 cents per ml. Simple, simple math here Phil.

If you were taking shots of whiskey and it took 5 additional shots to get you drunk with brand B as apposed to brand A, guess what? Brand B is less potent than brand A.

Pics, where are they Phil?

as for the $160 this seems like a gross over statement by homebrewer. you can get 1 gallon of connoisseur (a&b) for $120. this is another false statement by homebrewer.
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Google took me to ebay, look it up.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Connoisseur-A-4-Liter-1-gallon-Advanced-Nutrients-/270634604812?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0314590c

Where is your link to $120 bottles? Actually, I don't care, you just want to continue to run your mouth and I've got to get back to work. Pics???
 
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ScoobyDoobyDoo said:
i understand this discussion as you lying as usual. you can't even comment on connoisseur cause you burnt the crisp out of your plants on it so your opinion really doesn't matter. as stated above by patrick you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. htg supply and greners both have conni listed for $63-$65 per gallon. and that's not taking into account any discounts or rebates. you do the math.

so keep posting bullshit pics that we all know are fake and old as hell. keep lying about the actual contents of conni and blaming the fact that you burnt your plants to a crisp on it on the nutrient. no way could it have been your fault. or did you do it on purpose?

just leave the thread. stop hijacking people AN threads clown. it's embarrassing.
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^i lol'd at this because i was thinking the same shit.

collective gardener said on one of his recent posts something about comparing AN to jet fuel or some shit.
"big douche" or big mike says advanced is awesome for beginners. that guys full of shit. beginners first action is to over nute, even more than the bottle says sometimes.. if you run what is says on the bottle, shame on you, you fried the fuck out of your girls, locked them up, and wasted your money. dont trip, i did this 2 runs lol. i was WTFing the guy at the hydro store until i started reading riu and talking to other growers. advanced is like any big company.. they want to make a shitload of money.. but they are the best nutes out and that might be an opinion, but ive seen alot of grows.. and im not talking about closet grows. and ive never seen a fat 2 pound light under anything but advanced or gh3 part. prove me wrong.
 
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backyardagain said:
Not to good with ppm bht if he burnt it at a lower ppm doesnt that mean its stronger? Just asking dont bash me
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yeah you got it.

ive burnt with AN at 1100 ppms and my plants arent pussies. and CG said on his thread hes going feed feed water. AN is some potent stuff.

lesson we learned on this thread.

dont feed what the AN bottle says. it will make you look dumb and your plants wont like it
 
backyardagain

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I know Ithis is my first grow and I started 1/4 strength and workd my way up.. I might be new but im not a complete idiot when it comes to this, I have 1 book on this and it covered everything but an actually bute sechudual, but reading here ive foud out to start at 1/4 strength havnt burnt my plants yet.
 
ScoobyDoobyDoo

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patrickkawi37 said:
yeah you got it.

ive burnt with AN at 1100 ppms and my plants arent pussies. and CG said on his thread hes going feed feed water. AN is some potent stuff.

lesson we learned on this thread.

dont feed what the AN bottle says. it will make you look dumb and your plants wont like it
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exactly...you should be measuring ppm's anyway and not going based on dosages. after you learn what a nutrient does then you will know the dosages but you should still be checking and recording ppm's for the different strains you run throughout their cycle.

the real tell tale sign is that homebrewer ran conni 1 time and burnt his plants to a crisp. then blamed the nute. lmao...i thought only newbs did that? :lol:
 
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backyardagain said:
I know Ithis is my first grow and I started 1/4 strength and workd my way up.. I might be new but im not a complete idiot when it comes to this, I have 1 book on this and it covered everything but an actually bute sechudual, but reading here ive foud out to start at 1/4 strength havnt burnt my plants yet.
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you got backyard. having a ppm meter will only allow you to dial it in even more. keep a log of you ppm's and then if you see nute burn during any weeks you know to back it off that ppm level the next time with that strain. plus, you can push the nutrients a little harder any weeks that you don't see burn the next time around. eventually after 2-3 runs you will have all the weeks dialed in.

i also run AN on a feed, feed, water schedule.
 
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I do 3 feeds and a water water for mine, so far It has workd fine for me. I think ill get the ph ec ppm meter or do I not need the ec aspect of it? And seeing as this is my frist run down on indoors I didnt really keep track besides the feeding, and for being a "noob" only mistake I had was heatstress, small space with a 150w smaller then what im working with now havnt overwatered yet I do the lift way and then also let it be dry for almost 24 hours before water/feed
 
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ScoobyDoobyDoo said:
you got backyard. having a ppm meter will only allow you to dial it in even more. keep a log of you ppm's and then if you see nute burn during any weeks you know to back it off that ppm level the next time with that strain. plus, you can push the nutrients a little harder any weeks that you don't see burn the next time around. eventually after 2-3 runs you will have all the weeks dialed in.

i also run AN on a feed, feed, water schedule.
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really? in sunshine4? im going to have to up my game on the straight waters. i probably only did 5 straight waters my whole run. got a little bit of burn, might be a reason to flush sooner? do you go heavier than 9mls a gallon with the conni?
 
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As for sunshine im doing 2 soil and 2 coco so it would be 1 of each for advance and 1 for each of technaflora for thia go then winner of this continues on. I might not do a side by side but rather document them from start to finish. And then do 1 nute line and have 2 in soil and 2 in coco/sunshine 4
 
ScoobyDoobyDoo

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i would try the soil vs. coco and the AN vs. Techna on seperate grows. that will just get crazy confusing caue coco and sunshine like different pH levels and coco also has different nutrient needs. less K in flower. i'm trying out my sunshine with about 30% coco soon. see if we can't get a little more water retention.
 
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As with any nutrients you use, you have to listen to your plants. My experience has been that you want to use 25% less of AN when you're putting it into your grow - and that seems to work in most mediums, though I'm not an expert. LOL

Potent stuff, to be sure, but your plants will always steer you in the right direction.

With pH Perfect technology, however, I'm using things as the bottles tell me too - and amazing results so far.
 
backyardagain

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As for my 2 double diesel ryder why does one smell like a disel strain and one smell like yuckieness. Both same pack could it just be the pheno or is it my fuallt?
 
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patrickkawi37

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Sensibowl said:
As with any nutrients you use, you have to listen to your plants. My experience has been that you want to use 25% less of AN when you're putting it into your grow - and that seems to work in most mediums, though I'm not an expert. LOL

Potent stuff, to be sure, but your plants will always steer you in the right direction.

With pH Perfect technology, however, I'm using things as the bottles tell me too - and amazing results so far.
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are you using connoisseur? theres no way i can afford to use the ph perfect connoisseur lol 16 mls a gallon is tooo much money
 
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