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ThatGuy113

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/01/ron-paul-krugman.html


[h=1]Ron Paul Flunks History[/h]
I've noticed that a few of my conservative Facebook friends have linked to the recent debate between Paul Krugman and Ron Paul on Bloomberg. Some of them are embarrassed to find that Krugman was the more convincing participant.I have a theory as to why. In that short interview Ron Paul revealed that his school of Austrian economics is more about assertions and ideology then it is about empirical data.


I'll give one example that stuck out to me. In Part 1 of the Mediaite video (at 6:00) Ron Paul argues that there was a lot of economic growth after World War Two because:


After World War Two a lot of the debt was liquidated, but guess what else we did. The troops were coming home…big government liberals wanted to have job problems, they weren't put into place. we cut spending by some 60%, we slashed taxes, finally the depression ended.


Ron Paul's gloss over history has a grain of truth and a giant problem. The truth is that America did take a step down from having a war-time command economy. The problem is that Ron Paul makes it sound as if government then immediately shrunk. He even says taxes were "slashed".


Here is a chart from the Tax Policy Center showing what the historical highest marginal tax rates were.


During World War Two, the rate is between 81% and 94%. After World War Two, it is cut down to a low of 82% before being raised back to 91%, which is where it stays till the Kennedy years, during which it drops to a slightly lower 70%.


If this is what Ron Paul thinks it looks like when American liberals lose what does it look like when they win?


There are many more examples that have been cited by other writers about how government remained large long after World War Two. Airlines were heavily regulated, the interest on checking accounts was regulated, even the beer industry wasn't deregulated until 1979, and yes, that was by Jimmy Carter.


After World War Two government was bigger than Ron Paul admits. Krugman was making the point that during the era when taxes on America's richest were highest and the country was most regulated, the country as a whole was better off. That is a very important question to be able to answer, and it is not clear that Paul has even grappled with the implications of that data at all.
 

lifegoesonbrah

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So we cut government spending dramatically and cut taxes slightly after world war 2 like he said. Is that what you were getting at?

 

UncleBuck

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So we cut government spending dramatically
imagine that, government spending goes down after we are done waging world war.

and cut taxes slightly after world war 2 like he said. Is that what you were getting at?
he said "slashed taxes", you dullard. and no, we did not slash taxes. learn to read.


  • During World War Two, the rate is between 81% and 94%. After World War Two, it is cut down to a low of 82% before being raised back to 91%, which is where it stays till the Kennedy years

 

lifegoesonbrah

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You guys managed to find one word that may have been exaggerated, but overall he was right. You guys want a cookie or something? Someone make UB a plaque.
 

UncleBuck

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You guys managed to find one word that may have been exaggerated, but overall he was right. You guys want a cookie or something? Someone make UB a plaque.
wait, you said he was right, now you are saying he was not.

were you, by any chance, being a complete partisan hack with no regard for the truth?

LOL!
 

lifegoesonbrah

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Read the fucking sentence you just quoted where I said OVERALL HE WAS RIGHT.

You guys are trying way too hard and are just mad that Ron Paul destroyed Krugman in the debate.

[video=youtube;jEmKIRqz9AI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEmKIRqz9AI[/video]

Pwnin noobs hard.
 

abandonconflict

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Truthiness
1
: "truth that comes from the gut, not books"
2
: "the quality of preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true"
 

overgrowem

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imagine that, government spending goes down after we are done waging world war.



he said "slashed taxes", you dullard. and no, we did not slash taxes. learn to read.


  • During World War Two, the rate is between 81% and 94%. After World War Two, it is cut down to a low of 82% before being raised back to 91%, which is where it stays till the Kennedy years

Percentages of taxes are meaningless for that period.%'s were high not to raise money but to control were a high earners money was placed i.e. loopholes.Accountants put the money in the Gov. approved places and the rich paid about 30%.After W.w.11 the rates were not lowered much but the range of Gov.approved investments and deductable amounts were expanded, equaling lower taxes for the rich.
 

cannofbliss

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sorry... back to take it or leave it... ;) removing posts... made thread about it instead so wouldnt take up ur pages... ;)
 

Johnny Retro

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Krugman also eluded to some pretty crazy things.

1. Not understanding what legal tender laws are.

2. RP "you want him to print more money faster" (about Bernanke). Krugman "Of course I do"
 

tomcatjones

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Krugman also eluded to some pretty crazy things.

1. Not understanding what legal tender laws are.

2. RP "you want him to print more money faster" (about Bernanke). Krugman "Of course I do"
and then he said that well if you don't like federal reserves notes you can legally compete with bartering!

actually.... if i bartered my house away for some goats... i'm sure the government would step in and want some taxes off of it, lol
 

abandonconflict

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oh, we always get off track here. no worries.
Speaking of off track, I know why Ron Paul isn't in the main stream media, it is because it would be too easy to show everyone how bat shit crazy he is. Only the internet allows enough selective perception to make him look sane and competent. Even Maddow has an easy time shitting on him.

[video=youtube;sTzjd67xcCI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTzjd67xcCI&feature=related[/video]
 
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