FuckJeffGoldbloom
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Wow the zeplins looks awesome, and like you said, side by side they must be killer!
Theses available to the public at all?
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Theses available to the public at all?
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Greengenes707
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The zeppelin is old and they didn't make very many. It only has the old chips in it. They could easily put the new ones in it though...same boards. They said the price on it just really isn't worth it to make or sell. It's a prototype that never went further. It is a great aquarium/coral tanks design.
I knew you guys would like it so I had to show it anyways.
The 600L, the tubes(WW,NW,CW, in 2'&4'), and the black finish are all available. If it's not on the site you just have to contact them. Eventually they will get a new website...we can only hope sooner rather than later.
They have some really good things planned. 5years same design...they have a lot of R&D in that time plus tech keep advancing. The future looking new and bright.
We all know you will have a 4x4 soon enough. If not you'll never have an excuse to get a new light.
natro.hydro
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this line gave me a pretty good chuckle while at work, almost made my day in a way, only cus the rest of the day has been utter shit... so thanx for that lol, that 600l looks legit. If i ever pull the trigger on a new panel that is def at the top of the wishlist.Greengenes707 said:
Greengenes707
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~18w on the 4ft ones. They are UL.
It just seemed like the right expression. My GF was laughing pretty good when she saw it too. Good to hear it helped your day. Stay up, everyday is a new one...the next one will be better.
natro.hydro
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Going up there in my mental list of analogies lol. My personal is that i get higher than giraffe pussy lol, i know im still pretty immature, but arent we all at times?
Thats too bad, I do understand they are targeted to replace commercial\residential 4 foot flouros, but I really want some 54 watt tubes
on the other hand a passively cooled zepplin would rock!
greengenes -
I have to apologize. You'll see I've bugged you on every forum you are on. I think you are one of a very few that is putting out good information on LED for growing on the web. For me - "I got good results with this light" isn't enough. I'm going to keep it to two questions.
Do you think the new area51 190watt unit is going to be in the same ballpark as the AT200s? Looking at the specs here: http://a51led.com/store/index.php?main_page=page&id=15 their Umole charts look similar to what you posted here and at 1/2 the price of the AT200 it may be better value. It doesn't look like anything will compete with the AT600 which brings me to my next question
Do you think using the AT600 on a light mover would be beneficial? From my understanding a plant can't really handle more than 1000 Umols on any single site so spreading that excess around might make the light vastly more efficient and bigger footprint. I'm a scrog grower so this is especially appealing to me and - if true - could justify the expense. Perhaps one of your buddies at Apache Tech could weigh in? Also tell them to fix their website. Their product is state of the art but their website looks like it pre-date AOL.
To people casually looking at LED grow lights or this thread you probably look like a shill for AT. Its clear to me that you are a shill for efficiency and chose the best. I'd love to see a comparison of the new AT200 vrs. the new A51 XGS-190. I also would love to see the AT600 on a light mover.
I have to apologize. You'll see I've bugged you on every forum you are on. I think you are one of a very few that is putting out good information on LED for growing on the web. For me - "I got good results with this light" isn't enough. I'm going to keep it to two questions.
Do you think the new area51 190watt unit is going to be in the same ballpark as the AT200s? Looking at the specs here: http://a51led.com/store/index.php?main_page=page&id=15 their Umole charts look similar to what you posted here and at 1/2 the price of the AT200 it may be better value. It doesn't look like anything will compete with the AT600 which brings me to my next question
Do you think using the AT600 on a light mover would be beneficial? From my understanding a plant can't really handle more than 1000 Umols on any single site so spreading that excess around might make the light vastly more efficient and bigger footprint. I'm a scrog grower so this is especially appealing to me and - if true - could justify the expense. Perhaps one of your buddies at Apache Tech could weigh in? Also tell them to fix their website. Their product is state of the art but their website looks like it pre-date AOL.
To people casually looking at LED grow lights or this thread you probably look like a shill for AT. Its clear to me that you are a shill for efficiency and chose the best. I'd love to see a comparison of the new AT200 vrs. the new A51 XGS-190. I also would love to see the AT600 on a light mover.
Greengenes707
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What's up man,
Glad you found the thread/video's useful and informative. And also seeing that I'm really about efficiency and the best. I had a stealth grow before apache years ago. Then I meet apache, had success, and have built a great relationship since. But I started like everyone else...uneducated and wasting money. So I try to share what I've learned and know so others can make good educated decisions for themselves and see through marketing bullshit.
RBK331 is the code, makes it about 2K. It used to be better that it is now, but everything helps. You can drop my name if you talk to them. Not sure if it will help more, but never know.
I saw your other post...this is where I hang out the most. I respond pretty in-depth on the farm, check that for more details.
Here is a little from my response on the farm about the intensity...
Greengenes(me) from over at the farm said:
I would say 4x6, maybe 4x7 coverage with a mover, specially with a lower penetration style(scrog). Everyones requirements/expectations are different. If you think/know a 1000w could do it...then the at600 should too.
As for A51 XGS vs the AT200... you, me, and everyone else want to see it go down too. They are pretty close...and if price is the issue, then go A51 for a smaller unit. I really don't like or want to have a pissing match between AT and a51, but there are difference. I want the best light inside and out, so apache is my choice.
I used to be a 1000hps guy before I started with my led adventures...which have taught me the hard way what's really required to meet the 1000w performance. The best equipment and enough wattage is what it takes...led's are awesome, but not magic. I have a big quiver of apache's(mostly at120's)...but I will only be getting at600's if I ever get a new light. It's a straight up swap 1 for 1 with 1000w's, but with even more power...hortilux was shitting themselves when they saw it at the SF show. I would even put it up against a gavita in a heart beat now that I see what it's doing over my actual canopy(not just in testing).
About their site...I've been saying it it blows for two years...and thought it blew before I said it. I have given my own opinions to them(and posted on here) on how it should be and what it needs to be shown, but nothing has happened yet...but A51 sure was listening. AT has been telling me the new website will be ready "next week" for months. I know sometimes it seems like I work for them(I don't), I assure everyone that apache would be even better(products, price, and site) if I did work there. Maybe someone can tell them that...that would be the life, I hate my actual job.
Ya buddy...merry christmas to yourself!! You'll love it. It's a crazy amount of light.
Glad you had a good talk with them too.
You said it...If someone is really interested and not just trying to get a big discount because "light X only cost blank...why are AT's so expensive" they are always willing to help and try to get the best equipment in their hands.(not directed at anyone specific, it just gets asked all the time).
Greengenes707
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Update
I put up the at600 this morning. Let there be light! It also brought the temp up to perfect, ~75* and the plants liked that. It was getting a little too cool in there with all this cold weather.
Way up there and still pumping the light out
A little droopy after I sprayed, but were praying all day.
Middle plants:1054µmols
The outer plants: 618µmols
Now the bad news...I have fucking broad mites. I have been seeing little holes like caterpillar eating and some twisting on a few leaves. I search everywhere and and sprayed with spinosad cause saw some thrip damage too. But no more thrip evidence but the holes and twisting is getting to other plants. I upped it to a 100x scope and found the little fucks. They look like a slow moving trichomes. So I used organicide right away, but will probably use forbid tomorrow. You can't mess around with broad mites, and I need to flip soon so want them gone before that.
I'm pissed and really worried.
Here is the broad mite damage. Caught it early enough I hope.
Starts like this
Pics are from earlier, I just was in there checking more and couldn't find any this time. They were hard as hell to find the first time, but hopefully the organicide did something.
I put up the at600 this morning. Let there be light! It also brought the temp up to perfect, ~75* and the plants liked that. It was getting a little too cool in there with all this cold weather.
Way up there and still pumping the light out
A little droopy after I sprayed, but were praying all day.
Middle plants:1054µmols
The outer plants: 618µmols
Now the bad news...I have fucking broad mites. I have been seeing little holes like caterpillar eating and some twisting on a few leaves. I search everywhere and and sprayed with spinosad cause saw some thrip damage too. But no more thrip evidence but the holes and twisting is getting to other plants. I upped it to a 100x scope and found the little fucks. They look like a slow moving trichomes. So I used organicide right away, but will probably use forbid tomorrow. You can't mess around with broad mites, and I need to flip soon so want them gone before that.
I'm pissed and really worried.
Here is the broad mite damage. Caught it early enough I hope.
Starts like this
Pics are from earlier, I just was in there checking more and couldn't find any this time. They were hard as hell to find the first time, but hopefully the organicide did something.
Since I started foliar feeding every week with seaweed I've noticed I haven't had any bugs. Basically my understanding is that seaweed is a superfood for good microbes that live on the surface of the plant. These microbes produce chemicals which activate self-protection genes in the plant. It basically makes them heartier and harder for bug populations to take advantage of. I don't use soil any more but the salts in the foliar spray might become in issue if you don't pay attention. I would imagine it would help your situation after you spray. Good luck with it - hope it helps.
Do you know how many BTUs the 600 puts off? Have you hooked it up to a kill-a-watt?
Do you know how many BTUs the 600 puts off? Have you hooked it up to a kill-a-watt?
Greengenes707
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I have been foliating and root zone feeding with seaweed the whole time already. I also rock AACT to provide a micro life defense against some pest and other issues.
Broad mites are an epidemic that is spreading through the cannabis world rather fast these days. They are near impossible to get rid of. I have seen pictures of 10 of them on the legs of a white fly. I have dealt with them before at a different location...which I brought my NJ clone back from and why they are at my place now I'm sure. But I couldn't let my genetics go. Those genetics were treated with forbid...and don't show signs even in my location now. But the blackberry's are new and untreated before and they are being hit now. So I'm pretty confident in what I need to do. But these thing scar the shit out of me till they are gone for good. Maybe have to do this run and then purge everything and really start over.
This is the one pest that calls for gnarly action. Forbid and avid are the best and necessary despite the gnarliness™ of them. Organic oils do have some effects, but will only slow them.
The official at600 pulls about 667w at the plug. Just saw it the other day when at the shop. I believe the spec sheet(they will get it up once it's all done) says 672w. That's why I used to call it the at660 before they named it. AT660 kind of implies 660nm, which there is not(not directly at least, but it is present) so I understand their name choice.
hyroot
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G.G. Get some lady bugs, Dr. Bronners lavender and peppermint soap. Alternate soap foliars every other day. 1 tbsp of soap per quart og water. Stirred not shaken. Lol... If you can find pure spray green for a good price that works too. The soap spray doesn't harm the lady bugs either. It takes about 7-10 days for lady bugs to eat all bugs. So foliars help too. Pure spray green might harm ladybugs...
they look sexy.
they look sexy.
Man I hate mites too. Been battling them for a while now. Used Avid and Floramite for a while but it would never seem to kill all of them. Started using neem oil this stuff http://www.quantumapocalypse.net/ Works pretty well but for it to really be effective you have to spray everything every 4-5 days. I've knocked them down pretty good but if I am not proactive they'll come back. Got the no pest strips too. Those seemed to help but I got too much air exchange action going on so I don't think it has enough of it getting into the air to kill the mites. My temps are a lot higher than yours though. About 80-86 with lights on so that helps those bastards bread faster. Can't get my temps down without getting an AC at this point.
PSUAGRO.
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I take it you use CO2 enrichment in your grow room Greengenes??? if so, it's the safest(for plants
) and easiest way to kill anything.
You will waste almost a tank in your dimensions............bring up your room ppms to 10,000! for a half hour and repeat in a couple of days and ALL living things will be dead. Don't worry too much about how perfectly sealed your room is because CO2 will stay near the bottom/floor anyway
DO NOT enter the grow room after the treatment, these levels will kill you.............so turn on the exhaust when done to bring it to safe ppms.
) and easiest way to kill anything.You will waste almost a tank in your dimensions............bring up your room ppms to 10,000! for a half hour and repeat in a couple of days and ALL living things will be dead. Don't worry too much about how perfectly sealed your room is because CO2 will stay near the bottom/floor anyway
DO NOT enter the grow room after the treatment, these levels will kill you.............so turn on the exhaust when done to bring it to safe ppms.
hyroot
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we tried that a year or so ago at my buddies. released all co2 and it didn't kill anything. If they can survive under water that can survive with all that co2.I take it you use CO2 enrichment in your grow room Greengenes??? if so, it's the safest(for plants
You will waste almost a tank in your dimensions............bring up your room ppms to 10,000! for a half hour and repeat in a couple of days and ALL living things will be dead. Don't worry too much about how perfectly sealed your room is because CO2 will stay near the bottom/floor anyway
DO NOT enter the grow room after the treatment, these levels will kill you.............so turn on the exhaust when done to bring it to safe ppms.