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phxfire said:

when I was convinced that CFLs were better than HPS I found a very interesting article... I wish I could find it...

High-pressure sodium lights yield yellow lighting (2200 K). They are used for the second (or reproductive) phase of the growth. If high-pressure sodium lights are used for the vegetative phase, plants will usually grow slightly more quickly. Fluorescent lights produce less luminosity than high-intensity discharge lights. Bulbs rated in the higher Kelvin temperature range (5,000 to 6,500) emit more blue-spectrum light and those in the lower range (2,700 to 3,000) emit more red-spectrum light, although both also provide full-spectrum light in lower intensities.
I get 40,000 lumens from my t5 lamp. Most LEP (plasmas) are under 30,000 lumens; but apparently those plasma lamps are way better than anything we have on this thread. I get 40,000 lumens from my t5 lamp. Most LEP (plasmas) are under 30,000 lumens; but apparently those plasma lamps are way better than anything we have on this thread.
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Spring Light

Light of the lengthening days of spring is dominated by the blue part of the light spectrum. Seedlings need blue light for the growth of stems, stalks and leaves. Thus spring is the growing season for plants.
Summer Light

Summer is the time plants blossom and grow buds. The red part of the light spectrum slowly dominates the light of early summer. Red light encourages plants to flower, the first step of sexual reproduction and the growth of fruits. As the summer progresses, the amount of red light in the sun's natural spectrum increases. The red light plus shorter days and cooler nights toward the end of summer signal to plant hormones that it is time for fruit to ripen and later, for leaves to change color and fall.
Fall and Winter Light

In the fall and winter, when many plants are dormant and cease growing, the spectrum of light from the sun is dominated by cool red and purple colors.

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Wit all if this into account.... Try to replicate the sun through the seasons...

My advise would be to Veg with the T-5 and Flower with the HPS.....
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MurshDawg said:

Funny thing is that with all that info... It makes me think my t5 set up is perfect for flowering. Because I can get more reds out of my t5 (with different bulbs not just 3000k and 6500k) Than I could with any HPS. I know it sounds very counter intuitive but bear with me. The bulbs I run have a far greater penetration than traditional fluros. They are meant for aquariums and aquatic life such as coral. Not only do they have good penetration, I also have the proper blues and reds. I have two 454nm blues, two 420nm blues, two 633nm red, and two 3000ks. I highly suggest checking out LED without LEDs. I will admit that HPS and MH have been around longer than most of us; However, my goal is to find the most efficient grow without sacrificing to much on quality or yield.

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phxfire said:

Fluorescent lights produce less luminosity* than high-intensity discharge lights, although both provide full-spectrum light in lower intensities.
*luminosity - Measure of brightness

I have noticed the yield a lot smaller with CFLs...

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MurshDawg said:

I get you, bro. I also respect your opinion; however, I do not believe luminosity is the end all be all for indoor lighting. Besides, there is no harm in a little experiential learning.

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tomcatjones said:

you may get better yield with an HPS, but you won't see an increase in resin production. try flowering with some MH in addition to the yellow hps. yield and some good THC production

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phxfire said:

Reptile lights work better......

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phxfire said:

http://ag.arizona.edu/pubs/garden/mg/botany/index.html

More useful reading...

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MurshDawg said:

My t5 puts out less heat than my 250 watt HPS. My current theory is that t5s with this custom spectrum would actually produce better quality meds than the HPS (I know I'm gonna get shit for that statement). I am considering moving my lights around and having my t5 in a closet in the room because the HPS throws too much heat and I kinda wanna start flowering. All I need is one more timer. My whole isssue with HID lighting is the monochromatic lighting. I believe that aside from plasmas, the best lighting method is to use a multitude of spectrums. This is why I think we have LEDs and those Sun Spinner thingies. PAR charts show two things in my opinion. They show what light is most utilized by plants and demonstrate plants efficiency at converting light to energy. If you were to look at a PAR graph for the sun, you would see that the sun's spectrum is practically the complete inverse of what frequency of light plants crave. I will say my only gripe with t5s are plants do not stretch under t5s as much ast hey do with HPS. This is why I incorporated both lighting schemes into my grow plan.

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Bird Gymnastics said:

CFLs worked amazing for me. Obviously using an HPS will give you more yield but that is only because of how many lumens they put off. Different spectrums of lights doesn't give you a bigger yield and/or resin production (in my experience) but it for sure will give you different colors and just a healthier overall finish. I know for a fact one of the best things you can do is mix LEDs with HPS lights to receive pure light with tons of lumens.

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phxfire said:

NED....

I hate LEDs.... That is me... I was told by a ol' time grower... "Don't try to reinvent the plant." Everything the sun provides is what you want. Anything else is a tactic for these companies to PREY on NOOBS and make money. There has been folks that preach higher yields and higher resin production but where is the proof? There is no proof. different colored leaves. Wow I can do that by tweaking the Nutrients. No proof in my eyes.

I will never use a LED in my grows... If LEDs were really producing more resins alot more folks would be using them.

I think understanding LIGHT and the spectrum of light that plants use during different seasons of the year is the KEY element to a successful grow...

Pick up an Almanac and start studying the seasons...

I think if folks grow outdoors FIRST then started indoor growing they would have a greater understanding of light and what is real and WHAT is BS....

When you are out in the sun your skin feels the suns rays... Put your hand under a LED or CFL... Nothing... Alot of Lumen but little luminosity...
Understanding these 2 words is a KEY to understanding light.
Lumen is the VISIBLE light that we see as humans...
Luminosity is the measurement of the light in energy...
Fact HPS has higher luminosity than CFLs. And CFLs have more lumens than a HPS...
What this means is the energy the the HPS puts out is greater than the CFLs energy... But when it come to the lumen the CFL is greater than the HPS...
What does this Mean? CFLs produce alot more Visible light with more lumen but lack luminosity. The HPS produces more luminosity with lower lumen. (more energy with less lumen)

Visible light and energy from the light are 2 totally different measurement that are ALWAYS confused with one another....

Though alot of folks have their opinions which I respect especially if you are being scientific about it, the facts are facts. The sun is what brings energy to all life on earth. So when WE play God indoors it is most important to give the plants what they NEED oppose to what you want to give them.

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phxfire said:

NED....

I hate LEDs.... That is me... I was told by a ol' time grower... "Don't try to reinvent the plant." Everything the sun provides is what you want. Anything else is a tactic for these companies to PREY on NOOBS and make money. There has been folks that preach higher yields and higher resin production but where is the proof? There is no proof. different colored leaves. Wow I can do that by tweaking the Nutrients. No proof in my eyes.

I will never use a LED in my grows... If LEDs were really producing more resins alot more folks would be using them.

I think understanding LIGHT and the spectrum of light that plants use during different seasons of the year is the KEY element to a successful grow...

Pick up an Almanac and start studying the seasons...

I think if folks grow outdoors FIRST then started indoor growing they would have a greater understanding of light and what is real and WHAT is BS....

When you are out in the sun your skin feels the suns rays... Put your hand under a LED or CFL... Nothing... Alot of Lumen but little luminosity...
Understanding these 2 words is a KEY to understanding light.
Lumen is the VISIBLE light that we see as humans...
Luminosity is the measurement of the light in energy...
Fact HPS has higher luminosity than CFLs. And CFLs have more lumens than a HPS...
What this means is the energy the the HPS puts out is greater than the CFLs energy... But when it come to the lumen the CFL is greater than the HPS...
What does this Mean? CFLs produce alot more Visible light with more lumen but lack luminosity. The HPS produces more luminosity with lower lumen. (more energy with less lumen)

Visible light and energy from the light are 2 totally different measurement that are ALWAYS confused with one another....

Though alot of folks have their opinions which I respect especially if you are being scientific about it, the facts are facts. The sun is what brings energy to all life on earth. So when WE play God indoors it is most important to give the plants what they NEED oppose to what you want to give them.

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