Superstoner's new 3 rail, 50gal system, 36-40oz every 2 weeks.

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Nine0

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thenasty1 said:
i would suggest going a bit easier on the nutes. try around 800 ppm for week 3-4, modify from there if necessary. and manually keep your ph at 5.8-5.9 during this time. i also suggest using pondzyme (the kind with barley in it) to replace great white. its much, much cheaper and just as effective, imo. and ive had no issues adjusting the ph when using pondzyme. im guessing the plants arent showing distress yet because theyre living on stored nutes in the leaves and drinking only the water from your reservoir, causing your ppm to rise. you did well to give them a good flush though, its a good first step when things go wrong. and if youre running rails, and you can afford to go buy some extra nutes, i definitely suggest giving the ss recipe a try. i have been using it for a few years now and it performs very well for me. have you seen both the ss threads though? i ask because im basically just regurgitating stuff i learned from ss. if you havent read the older ss thread, i definitely suggest reading through it. tons of info in that thread. if you decide to try the recipe, use the one from page 10(?) of this thread. good luck
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Thanks for the input.. The recipe I have from my friend who is using the technaflora nutes in a DWC setup is running 1100 first 4 weeks 1200 for three then 1400 for 3weeks..

I did read the old SS thread I think.. and the stink bud one. I'm new to all of this and if you say you can manually adjust ph with the pondzyme I'm all for it.. What about using bleach? As suggested by fatman and ditching all of the bacteria ?
https://www.rollitup.org/t/killing-root-rot.286022/page-2

and I think it is also on the first or second page on this sub section .

ALso after this original post I posted in stink buds thread.. but I noticed that my first res levels had dropped from the raised 1400 ppm down to 800.. so maybe the flush worked and the girls are back on track..

I will go have a read of SS recipe again.. it's not to late to switch brews rights? I mean how thourough of a flush would I have to do in order to change nutes?

I can't exactly remove the resevoir.. as some roots have grown down in there .. I know I can cut but they seem healthy.

Thank you very much for the reply.
 
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thenasty1

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Nine0 said:
Thanks for the input.. The recipe I have from my friend who is using the technaflora nutes in a DWC setup is running 1100 first 4 weeks 1200 for three then 1400 for 3weeks..

I did read the old SS thread I think.. and the stink bud one. I'm new to all of this and if you say you can manually adjust ph with the pondzyme I'm all for it.. What about using bleach? As suggested by fatman and ditching all of the bacteria ?
https://www.rollitup.org/t/killing-root-rot.286022/page-2

and I think it is also on the first or second page on this sub section .

ALso after this original post I posted in stink buds thread.. but I noticed that my first res levels had dropped from the raised 1400 ppm down to 800.. so maybe the flush worked and the girls are back on track..

I will go have a read of SS recipe again.. it's not to late to switch brews rights? I mean how thourough of a flush would I have to do in order to change nutes?

I can't exactly remove the resevoir.. as some roots have grown down in there .. I know I can cut but they seem healthy.

Thank you very much for the reply.
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no problem. happy to help. i used to run high ppm in my hydro systems, but in my experience, its more about the ratios of the nutes than the quantity of them. i barely hit 1000 ppm by the time theyre done. and i do run the ss recipe in my dwc too, but at a slightly reduced strength since the roots are in constant contact with the nute solution. ive heard people talk about using bleach or h2o2 in the res, but for me, the hydroguard, pondzyme, and proper res temps pretty much take care of things in the root zone. personally, i would not use bleach in the cultivation process of something that is intended to be consumed by humans. just my $.02. i havent tested it or anything, so i cant speak from experience on that. h2o2 can be useful both to maintain a sterile res,and as treatment for root issues. this i have tried. i pretty much stick with the ss recipe aside from a few light modifications as necessary for the strains i run. if your ppm dropped that much after a flush and res change, id say youre on the right track unless your res is leaking or something. i dont know that id recommend switching recipes midway through flower, ive never done it. but if you do, definitely give them a 24 hour flush beforehand. dont be afraid to trim the roots a little bit, as long as you dont go overboard your plants will be just fine.
 
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So those of you running SS recipe ... its half a scoop of pondzyme per gallon?

And these containers that he sussed out are so good... I'm going to buy more just for outside storage.

I will have to get some pictures up of my SS and Stink inspired rail system.
 
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Mont@n@

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he use half scoop of pondzyme with barley for his 50 gal reservoir.
the last time i use it a full scoop measures 2 tsp (my dog spill the hole thing)
i hope it helps.

good luck and happy growing
 
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Voidling

Voidling

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Nine0 said:
So those of you running SS recipe ... its half a scoop of pondzyme per gallon?

And these containers that he sussed out are so good... I'm going to buy more just for outside storage.

I will have to get some pictures up of my SS and Stink inspired rail system.
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Where are you getting the containers?
 
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wanalearn

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do you mix the nutes in a gallon jug like stink bud did then fill it untill it reaches a certain ppm? or do you just add them to each gallon of water?
 
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Mont@n@

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wanalearn said:
do you mix the nutes in a gallon jug like stink bud did then fill it untill it reaches a certain ppm? or do you just add them to each gallon of water?
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i add them to each gallon of water using a feeding spreadsheet.(excel)

at the bottom is the spreadsheet for his formula in a zip file.(PBP spreadsheet)
just change strength and gallons(in red).
the mL per gallons are going to be next to the product names in black.(not the grey ones)
in his formula is 1mL of cal mag and tap water(107 ppm). i use 5 and 4mL for my ro water.

Good luck and happy growing
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Mont@n@ said:
i add them to each gallon of water using a feeding spreadsheet.(excel)

at the bottom is the spreadsheet for his formula in a zip file.(PBP spreadsheet)
just change strength and gallons(in red).
the mL per gallons are going to be next to the product names in black.(not the grey ones)
in his formula is 1mL of cal mag and tap water(107 ppm). i use 5 and 4mL for my ro water.

Good luck and happy growing
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uhhh like thanks a million
 
superstoner1

superstoner1

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Rob why such a hater? Do you feel like a better person trying to bash everyone? I see some never change but I have. And for once you are right, that's not 20oz, it's more like 60-70oz. That's a partial view of 2 systems that have 2 and 4 weeks left til harvest, you know, the time when buds swell. Let's see yours big boy. :) why do you believe it is so hard to get 3.5-4oz per plant? Some will easily hit 5.5-6oz, in fact I rarely get less than 5 from white widow. There is just no need to be so ugly, especially after this long of a time, so troll on over to someone who will bite your terrible bait, sweetcheeks.
 
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I would like to point out that I have not cleaned a system in over a year and use no chillers or temperature control for the res's with no root issues at all. The hydroguard and pondzyme work great.
 
Aeroknow

Aeroknow

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superstoner1 said:
I would like to point out that I have not cleaned a system in over a year and use no chillers or temperature control for the res's with no root issues at all. The hydroguard and pondzyme work great.
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Thats why I liked my 6" round tubes with the rubber ends/clamp, easy to clean when needed ;-)
I take it you've never had the slime right? I can't remember. lf I remember correctly, you don't run the pumps 24/7, and by doing that, your temps never get to high?
I never used shit either for along time without getting slimed. We didn't know about enzymes and hydrogaurd wasn't out yet either. Anyways, knowing what I know now, i would do both chiller and possibly that combo you use. It's just not worth it running without chillers IMO.
Good to see you back!
 
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Aeroknow said:
Thats why I liked my 6" round tubes with the rubber ends/clamp, easy to clean when needed ;-)
I take it you've never had the slime right? I can't remember. lf I remember correctly, you don't run the pumps 24/7, and by doing that, your temps never get to high?
I never used shit either for along time without getting slimed. We didn't know about enzymes and hydrogaurd wasn't out yet either. Anyways, knowing what I know now, i would do both chiller and possibly that combo you use. It's just not worth it running without chillers IMO.
Good to see you back!
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I think the bennies like warmer water, not positive though. I really don't think there would be a need to clean a completely closed system like aeroponics. My res stays extremely clean using the bennies but the trays (because of the light shining on them) get a little build up but not bad. I bet bennies in your system you'd be good to go, best change I've made is going bennies from sterile
 
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thenasty1

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glad to see you back, ss. looking forward to jocking more of your style and shaming more trolls. hope you've been well. is this new room in that loft space you were talking about a while back? or did you have to relocate? and can you show us your veg if it is different than the last time we've seen it?
 
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