Super Soil Results

You need to calm down a little. There is no need to be so condescending just because I asked a question about supersoil, quit trolling around looking for arguments. I never blamed super soil for my tall plants. I couldn't find potassium in SS so I was wondering if there was a connection and that's why I asked.

I wasn't even talking shit to you, I meant that I don't go searching through cannabis forums for answers to my questions because for ever right answer you can find 3 wrong, even from people with lots of "reputation" on RUI

shmoop said:

You need to calm down a little. There is no need to be so condescending just because I asked a question about supersoil, quit trolling around looking for arguments. I never blamed super soil for my tall plants. I couldn't find potassium in SS so I was wondering if there was a connection and that's why I asked.

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Interesting....I am not a troll.How can I be a troll if I'm talking from experience of SS? Reread your posts. Or go read my history and you will see that I don't even post enough to be a troll. I only post (non pics/updates) when I feel it necessary b/c your spreading misinformation IMO. And even then I tried to stay out of your convo the first few days, but you kept on with it.

Can someone help me out on that one? I'm actually a little pissed off. Spent a lot of time and effort on the soil (rounding up ingredients, mixing, cooking, etc) and now after looking up all the ingredients I discover none of them contain (k) one of the most important nutrients a plant can get?
So now I am 2 weeks into flowering with some skinny ass plants, and I'm going to make a banna tea or something... I just don't see how an organic soil recipe with no (k) is so popular and featured in high times and what not... Am I missing something?

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Well, even if it isn't my problem. I'm still curious as to how you can get a good yield while ignoring one of the macro nutrients. Potassium is needed for protein, photosynthesis and growth regulation. I'm not saying you will end up with a shitty crop, but I think adding potassium would help increase yield

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Yeah, don't get me wrong. I know it can produce some real nice clean smoke. I just feel like yield is lacking and I know potassium is important for any plant. I have a conspiracy theory that commercial growers have coveted secrets to getting nice big tasty yields and purposefully misinform smaller time growers so they will get discouraged

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I actually just remembered something, I didn't use the subcool recipe on that one... But these plants look exactly the fuckin same... tall and skinny

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A quarter ounce a plant. It was good, but I was disappointed. Again, that was a different organic recipe. Same basic building blocks though, the supersoil adds a few things... still no potassium though. And I really think that's a problem. I worked for a commercial grower (trimming/big leafing/ transplanting) and his plants would be fat as shit by the time they went to the flowering room. He would veg for 3 weeks - month, and they would get about as tall as my plants are now in their third week but thick and lush. Mine look healthy... just skinny as fuck and already bending under their own weight.

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From those quotes it came off to me that you WERE directly blaming SS and the lack of K for

1.your tall skinny plants.
2. your lack of yield.

And I was not saying that my "reputation" (number of bars) is what made me a voice of reason. I was saying that I personally have a good bit of experience with the Supersoil and all the info from that is right here on RIU. In fact I have a thread that specifically shows it in action. Here I'll go a head and link you.

https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/454086-t-ray-using-supersoil.html

Not trying to sound condescending at all, but when you come off and IMO blame supersoil (cuz according to you it has no potassium) for your plant problems, I feel as a successful SS user I needed to come in and let you know that it's not the soil that's your problem.

I have ran supersoil alot and I am telling you that if it was only netting me a 1/4 each time I wouldn't be using it. I am not going to get into exact numbers with you, but lets just say that I'm doing a lot more yield than that.

IMO it sounds like grower error/not enough research on the SS recipe. All you have to do is look at the "Weed Nerds" on this sub-forum using SS and you will plainly see it's not the SS that is netting you your shitty yields or your spindly little plants.

So I'd appreciate if you quit using that as your excuse and just man up and admit that maybe its your growing skills.

I am by no means perfect and I make mistakes (even have recently), the difference is that I blame myself when things go wrong, not a soil recipe that is proven over and over and over and over and over again.

It aint the Supersoil.



T-Ray

Oh God from Jordan of the Island, 12/12 from seed, finally an Indica that I can say will yield decently without the vegging. I am definitely going to use less SS for my Indicas in the future, this one shows no sign of fading whatsoever... I keep scoping her everyday and by the look of the buds she is so ready but no amber and too many clear, I remember Subcool saying that Indica should be harvested without amber or with very little, you guys think I should chop her? (maybe Sub didnt say this not sure why but I keep thinking he did...)
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Here is a few shots of God's Treat ready to jar and start the curing process (she is the beautiful purple plant that I harvested and posted pics of a few days ago)
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First of all, that third post is just a joke.
Second, I'm having some problems with my plants, and I am using super soil. This is super soil results, so far my results have been long spindly plants. I'm 100% sure that this is due to my growing skills as I only have a couple rounds under my belt. That's why I'm on this message board. I'm looking for people with more knowledge to help me identify my problem. Not sit here and bitch at me for asking a couple fucking questions. Excuse me for wondering why there isn't potassium in SS. But I notice you can't really answer why there isn't, you just get all pissed off and start campaigning against me. Would it kill you to spend the same energy trying to help me, and put useful information on this website?

Or does it make you feel good to tirade against people on the internet?

shmoop said:

First of all, that third post is just a joke.
Second, I'm having some problems with my plants, and I am using super soil. This is super soil results, so far my results have been long spindly plants. I'm 100% sure that this is due to my growing skills as I only have a couple rounds under my belt. That's why I'm on this message board. I'm looking for people with more knowledge to help me identify my problem. Not sit here and bitch at me for asking a couple fucking questions. Excuse me for wondering why there isn't potassium in SS. But I notice you can't really answer why there isn't, you just get all pissed off and start campaigning against me. Would it kill you to spend the same energy trying to help me, and put useful information on this website?

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Shmoop there is plenty of K in super soil. The dolomite lime is very rich in K. I am about to start selling a version of super soil called Super Coco and I have a test thread ongoing right now and am looking for testers.

I just found this thread and didn't see the whole discussion but I find it odd that no one here would point out that "super soil" is just a recipe and that the SOIL that you are trying to make SUPER might be SHIT.

Shmoop your concerns are accurate. For instance if you used a soil like miracle grow that stays wet all the time you would have long spindly growth from lack of oxygen.

If anyone wants some real answers on super soil come to the super coco public test thread. I have researched all things super soil and I know there are more myths about it than facts.

shmoop you are also correct in assuming that more K would be beneficial to super soil. Greensand provides this plus every vitamin and micro nutrient needed for plant growth and a staple of Super Coco.

Please stop referring to super soil as a universal product and realize that the soil you use to make it determines just how super your soil is.

For example Roots organic has been known to use building scraps in their compost pile. Do they use sewage compost? Does your soil contain sewage compost? Sewage compost is THE HOT substrate right now for potting soil companies. They give you a bag OF hopefully fully composted HUMAN SHIT from the treatment ponds and these people think all super soil is the same. I'm not trying to be mean but you guys better study the fuck up before you spout off some rumors on super soil now because I have and I will call you out.

If you want a REAL QUALITY potting soil that is THE SAME thing every time you buy check out DR EARTH. He uses REAL compost and it makes ALL the difference in the world.

shmoop there is a lot more to all this than most people know about.

Chris@supercoco said:

Shmoop there is plenty of K in super soil. The dolomite lime is very rich in K. I am about to start selling a version of super soil called Super Coco and I have a test thread ongoing right now and am looking for testers.

I just found this thread and didn't see the whole discussion but I find it odd that no one here would point out that "super soil" is just a recipe and that the SOIL that you are trying to make SUPER might be SHIT.

Shmoop your concerns are accurate. For instance if you used a soil like miracle grow that stays wet all the time you would have long spindly growth from lack of oxygen.

If anyone wants some real answers on super soil come to the super coco public test thread. I have researched all things super soil and I know there are more myths about it than facts.

shmoop you are also correct in assuming that more K would be beneficial to super soil. Greensand provides this plus every vitamin and micro nutrient needed for plant growth and a staple of Super Coco.

Please stop referring to super soil as a universal product and realize that the soil you use to make it determines just how super your soil is.

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I always like to give credit to Subcool because I got into supersoil after reading the super soil results thread. I think that Sub made it very easy for anyone to convert to this way of growing and he didnt do it for the money that is why he explains how he does it with simple instruction and a proven recipe. I always recommend people to use Sub's recipe for their first go at it. The reason why I have a different recipe is the first time I made it I just went for what was available locally at the time and I have tweaked it a little bit ever since but I totally used Subcool's recipe to understand the quantities and all. Have you?

Yes I have. And don't throw up the money in my face subsoil wouldn't be here if not for the money and he tried as well to market this product. btw I give sub his due but VIC HIGH IS the inventor of super soil

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I always like to give credit to Subcool because I got into supersoil after reading the super soil results thread. I think that Sub made it very easy for anyone to convert to this way of growing and he didnt do it for the money that is why he explains how he does it with simple instruction and a proven recipe. I always recommend people to use Sub's recipe for their first go at it. The reason why I have a different recipe is the first time I made it I just went for what was available locally at the time and I have tweaked it a little bit ever since but I totally used Subcool's recipe to understand the quantities and all. Have you?

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And ABOUT THE MONEY I plan on selling a WHOLE GROWING METHOD for under an eight. You do not want to throw the money in my face sir.

Endur0xX said:

I always like to give credit to Subcool because I got into supersoil after reading the super soil results thread. I think that Sub made it very easy for anyone to convert to this way of growing and he didnt do it for the money that is why he explains how he does it with simple instruction and a proven recipe. I always recommend people to use Sub's recipe for their first go at it. The reason why I have a different recipe is the first time I made it I just went for what was available locally at the time and I have tweaked it a little bit ever since but I totally used Subcool's recipe to understand the quantities and all. Have you?

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BTW you didn't even talk about what I said about all super soil being different. You just chose to insult me which shows me what kind of person you are.

Yes the recipe but I'm talking about the potting soil which you use. See you could use sub exact recipe with miracle grow or what you consider to be high quality potting soil and get results just like scmoop

hey no sorry you took it the wrong way just pointing how why a lot of people refer to supersoil as being subcools supersoil

Endur0xX said:

I always like to give credit to Subcool because I got into supersoil after reading the super soil results thread. I think that Sub made it very easy for anyone to convert to this way of growing and he didnt do it for the money that is why he explains how he does it with simple instruction and a proven recipe. I always recommend people to use Sub's recipe for their first go at it. The reason why I have a different recipe is the first time I made it I just went for what was available locally at the time and I have tweaked it a little bit ever since but I totally used Subcool's recipe to understand the quantities and all. Have you?

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NO to understand the quantities i relied on countless university studies on organics not what subcool assumes about it. I don't have to say that I wouldn't be here without subcool to you though.

Endur0xX said:

hey no sorry you took it the wrong way just pointing how why a lot of people refer to supersoil as being subcools supersoil

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No you said it the wrong way

I am not trying to argue with you brother It's all good. I am sorry the money comment got to me. The money is for my dad to hopefully retire one day because even though he invented swamp logging and the shovel machine our 10,000$ a week fuel bill takes every penny.

Nothing wrong with making money selling a good product, Pre-mixed supersoil can be very convenient for a lot of people. Good luck!

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For example Roots organic has been known to use building scraps in their compost pile. Do they use sewage compost? Does your soil contain sewage compost? Sewage compost is THE HOT substrate right now for potting soil companies. They give you a bag OF hopefully fully composted HUMAN SHIT from the treatment ponds and these people think all super soil is the same. I'm not trying to be mean but you guys better study the fuck up before you spout off some rumors on super soil now because I have and I will call you out.

If you want a REAL QUALITY potting soil that is THE SAME thing every time you buy check out DR EARTH. He uses REAL compost and it makes ALL the difference in the world.

shmoop there is a lot more to all this than most people know about.

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Thank you for providing me with some useful information!

I actually used fox farm ocean forrest - which in itself is already supposed to be a light organic soil so maybe there is too much N or something. They are a nice shade of green, not too dark but I dunno. I think it could also be that my soil needs more perlite for aeration.

Heres a pic, notice the clawing leaves