Super soil in CA

Hey all!

Hope your season is off to a great start!

Due to some physical injuries all at once, I was unable to make my own batch in time. Does anyone know of a place in CA (southern is best, but anywhere in CA works) that has anything as strong as supersoil, or does anyone have a crap ton extra they wouldn't mind selling for a reasonable price?

Thanks!

supersoil's recipe leaves a bit to be desired
since you are not able to mix it, i'd say the vermifire is a good alternative

I've seen some people talking about that... Is it as strong or stronger? Would you still do 1lb/gallon size?

Thanks!

stickyickys said:

I've seen some people talking about that... Is it as strong or stronger? Would you still do 1lb/gallon size?

Thanks!

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not sure I understand the question..
let me be more clear on my opinion on the subject, and it's just an opinion (albeit based in science, evolution and horticulture)
I do NOT believe in layering nutrients in soils, that concept is a flawed one, and even if it weren't a flawed one, layering in water soluble nutrients at the bottom of containers for "later", thinking the roots don't get to the bottom of any container within a week, maybe less.
In fact supersoil often prunes the roots when they get down to that mucky, bloody, guano'ey mess..
Cannabis is a relatively drought tolerant plant, but the reason is because of it's substantial root system, those roots work well, but they sure as shit don't like uncycled acidic messy, messes.

I've transplanted plants many, many times and within usually 60 hrs the roots are poking through the bottom of the containers, looking for more soil to "conquer".
You want a meal-based mix, predicated on the availability times of your nutrients, meaning slow, medium, and fast release sources of nutrients, nutrients with that do different things all at once, instead of redundant nutrients that supersoil uses, or bovine meas that can kill you (not to mention require acidic conditions to even be used, beyond cannabis' tolerance)

If anything you'd want a vegetative-based compost on the TOP of the soil to replicate nature.
Anyways, i'm totally getting off the subject of your question.
I apologize.

you use vermifire straight out of the bag, no mixing, no adding anything
Morning coffee.

Awesome, thanks for the response. I should have been a littler clearer in my question I don't layer, merely wondering if it's hot enough to mix in with a milder mix, like RO 707 or something. Sounds like it's not really as hot as they lead on, but I guess I won't know until I give it a whirl.

Yeah I don't use animal products, don't want em, well except for maybe a fish compost in a tea, going to be trying one out with that, but i'm cool with fish.

Everyone seems to just know it as supersoil, a generic term more than referring to subs itself. I don't like dr earth stuff (HFCS in a lot of their stuff as they use their own superactive or whatever it's called in their own stuff, which they feed HFCS).

I'm sure the vermi will work. Nothing else has really caught my eye.

Thanks!

Hey again grease! So you wouldn't add anything to the Vermifire? Start to finish with just that, no ammend's...?

I'll be using AACT, testing out a nutrient tea as well on some, and top dressing with guano(s), etc as needed. I was going to add dolomite.

This is a "cooked soil" already, but I just feel like I should be adding stuff haha maybe it's just that normally I would to cook it...

Thanks!

stickyickys said:

Hey again grease! So you wouldn't add anything to the Vermifire? Start to finish with just that, no ammend's...?

I'll be using AACT, testing out a nutrient tea as well on some, and top dressing with guano(s), etc as needed. I was going to add dolomite.

This is a "cooked soil" already, but I just feel like I should be adding stuff haha maybe it's just that normally I would to cook it...

Thanks!

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sorry man, didn't know you were asking me a question, try to "quote" me on the questions, that way I know you are asking.
but yea, you can use vermifire beginning to end with nothing else added, BUT that's all predicated on the container size, strain type, growing methods, etc.
outside in smaller containers? no way.
a stretchy nitrogen loving 100 day sativa? no way
but a hybrid, inside, under 1200 watts or less, in a good 7 gallons of soil? Sure.
oh and I never had to add d-lime to the mix, If I recall correctly it's pre limed.

stickyickys said:

Hey again grease! So you wouldn't add anything to the Vermifire? Start to finish with just that, no ammend's...?

I'll be using AACT, testing out a nutrient tea as well on some, and top dressing with guano(s), etc as needed. I was going to add dolomite.

This is a "cooked soil" already, but I just feel like I should be adding stuff haha maybe it's just that normally I would to cook it...

Thanks!

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I should clarify..
I would absolutely add amendments to the vermifire, but not nutrients.
worm castings, maybe some extra humus, etc.
you CAN go without ideally you'd amend a lil, but ideally you'd want your own mix.
so under the circumstances I'd say give them enough soil room and you'll be golden.

greasemonkeymann said:

I should clarify..
I would absolutely add amendments to the vermifire, but not nutrients.
worm castings, maybe some extra humus, etc.
you CAN go without ideally you'd amend a lil, but ideally you'd want your own mix.
so under the circumstances I'd say give them enough soil room and you'll be golden.

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I was wondering about other things... I'll eventually make my own soil here, in a few weeks, probably with vermifire as a base.

Well If I'm adding stuff I suppose I would go with... EWC, humus, azomite, rock phosphate, oyster shell, and some dolomite. Oh and my bene's I'll be adding anyway. Am I missing anything? I was going to foliar once a week with the extreme blend from K4L (it's amino acids, kelp, humic, and fulvic acids).... or should I just add some kelp to the soil and stick to my compost tea foliar?

Thanks!

stickyickys said:

I was wondering about other things... I'll eventually make my own soil here, in a few weeks, probably with vermifire as a base.

Well If I'm adding stuff I suppose I would go with... EWC, humus, azomite, rock phosphate, oyster shell, and some dolomite. Oh and my bene's I'll be adding anyway. Am I missing anything? I was going to foliar once a week with the extreme blend from K4L (it's amino acids, kelp, humic, and fulvic acids).... or should I just add some kelp to the soil and stick to my compost tea foliar?

Thanks!

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will you be re-using your soil?
if so i'd go a lil different route.
and I don't foliar with anything minus water, sometimes I floliar with aloe too, but mostly I do that simply to "clean" the leaves.
there are many, many things that a plant simply cannot use as a foliar spray.
I just have kelp in my soil mix

greasemonkeymann said:

will you be re-using your soil?
if so i'd go a lil different route.
and I don't foliar with anything minus water, sometimes I floliar with aloe too, but mostly I do that simply to "clean" the leaves.
there are many, many things that a plant simply cannot use as a foliar spray.
I just have kelp in my soil mix

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I'd like to reuse the soil but I'll probably cook it first. Add a bunch of amends to reinvigorate it. What route would you go?

I was thinking about adding neem, more alfalfa, and kelp.

I will be putting together a top dressing. MIght just be more of the same mix with the guano's added in. Probably will be that.

Thanks again!

stickyickys said:

I'd like to reuse the soil but I'll probably cook it first. Add a bunch of amends to reinvigorate it. What route would you go?

I was thinking about adding neem, more alfalfa, and kelp.

I will be putting together a top dressing. MIght just be more of the same mix with the guano's added in. Probably will be that.

Thanks again!

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i'd make a mix with no azomite, concentrate on slow release ingredients.
neem meal is great, so is fishbone meal, fish meal, kelp meal, crab meal, those are good things to use.
oyster meal, oyster shells, bio char, etc.
vermifire is good stuff, you can use it for an entire grow provided you have enough room in the container.
another thing I am really liking, and this is my first grow using it, but steer manure is working really well for my plants, I did a side by side of my normal mix and one with manure, and the manure ones are bigger, markedly bigger. Sorta weird.

greasemonkeymann said:

will you be re-using your soil?
if so i'd go a lil different route.
and I don't foliar with anything minus water, sometimes I floliar with aloe too, but mostly I do that simply to "clean" the leaves.
there are many, many things that a plant simply cannot use as a foliar spray.
I just have kelp in my soil mix

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Just curious......................How does your IPM work? edit.........without some kind of foliar.........vague memory,, but aren't you the guy in the woods with 4 diff spider mite?

greasemonkeymann said:

i'd make a mix with no azomite, concentrate on slow release ingredients.
neem meal is great, so is fishbone meal, fish meal, kelp meal, crab meal, those are good things to use.
oyster meal, oyster shells, bio char, etc.
vermifire is good stuff, you can use it for an entire grow provided you have enough room in the container.
another thing I am really liking, and this is my first grow using it, but steer manure is working really well for my plants, I did a side by side of my normal mix and one with manure, and the manure ones are bigger, markedly bigger. Sorta weird.

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.......Also........I've definitely seen a recovery from mag def with mild epsom salt foliars................'IF' you have one

DonBrennon said:

Just curious......................How does your IPM work? edit.........without some kind of foliar.........vague memory,, but aren't you the guy in the woods with 4 diff spider mite?

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yes indeedy, got 4 types of mites, and that's not counting the russets
my IPM is dichlorvos, all throughout vege and the first 14-20 days of flower.
I've tried it ALL, and nothing eradicates them, I can only slow them down.
same stuff they use in flea collars

greasemonkeymann said:

yes indeedy, got 4 types of mites, and that's not counting the russets
my IPM is dichlorvos, all throughout vege and the first 14-20 days of flower.
I've tried it ALL, and nothing eradicates them, I can only slow them down.
same stuff they use in flea collars

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Shit man, that sounds like a continuous uphill battle, Hamburger hill style. I've had to deal with mites before and know what a PITA they are. I stopped using the commercial flea drops/collar years ago and switched to a natural shampoo, for my dog. I recently checked the ingredients and it's basically 2% neem oil (Margosa extract) and organic soap, I considered it for a foliar pmsl.

DonBrennon said:

.......Also........I've definitely seen a recovery from mag def with mild epsom salt foliars................'IF' you have one

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foliars aren't a good way to feed macros, especially not immobile ones, like calcium.
but for magnesium, that's very mobile, and absorbed through the leaves? Sure.

DonBrennon said:

Shit man, that sounds like a continuous uphill battle, Hamburger hill style. I've had to deal with mites before and know what a PITA they are. I stopped using the commercial flea drops/collar years ago and switched to a natural shampoo, for my dog. I recently checked the ingredients and it's basically 2% neem oil (Margosa extract) and organic soap, I considered it for a foliar pmsl.

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heh, yea you'll consider it until you taste the neem on your buds..
Yuck.
that oil isn't easy to clean off, not to mention the mites out here all do a collective
THIS to me if I use neem.

they don't even die when sprayed with miticides man... i'm serious.
these radioactive mites are bad-fuckin-ass

greasemonkeymann said:

i'd make a mix with no azomite, concentrate on slow release ingredients.
neem meal is great, so is fishbone meal, fish meal, kelp meal, crab meal, those are good things to use.
oyster meal, oyster shells, bio char, etc.
vermifire is good stuff, you can use it for an entire grow provided you have enough room in the container.
another thing I am really liking, and this is my first grow using it, but steer manure is working really well for my plants, I did a side by side of my normal mix and one with manure, and the manure ones are bigger, markedly bigger. Sorta weird.

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yeah i wanted to snag biochar but it's super expensive for how much i need so it'll wait until next time. i already have my psb guano and my mexican and jamaican as well. I was planning on top dressing with that added into my soil mixture (be it straight vermifire or, now, with the amends). would you still add the fishbone and fish meal?

what would you go with besides azomite? basalt? GRD?

I have 5 and 7 gallon root pouches. they both hold more than their size but i will not be filling either size to capacity. I like some space from the top, so I imagine 3.5-4 gallon in the 5 gallons and 5.5-6 in my 7's. 6-8 weeks veg depending on the size and strain.

greasemonkeymann said:

heh, yea you'll consider it until you taste the neem on your buds..
Yuck.
that oil isn't easy to clean off, not to mention the mites out here all do a collective
THIS to me if I use neem.
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they don't even die when sprayed with miticides man... i'm serious.
these radioactive mites are bad-fuckin-ass

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I'm sorry, it's getting late here and I'm a little toasted, I know I shouldn't laugh, but that nearly made me piss myself